Nastiness At End Of Racing?

gabbitas31 said:

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gabbitas31 said:

Goodgal have you thought about trying a citronella spray collar, it won't hurt him, get a good friend who doesn't mind you running Rowan with their dog, stand at the finish and when he's very first goes to attack, press the button and it released a small puff of air, (citronella flavour) just under the neck, it shocks the dog and he forgets about the attack, (w00t) (I'm not explaining this very well) the shock is not electric, :lol: just a shock reaction, ( I'll put it another way, if you were sunbathing on a hot day with your eye's closed, (w00t) and some one poured a glass of ice cold water over you, :b you would be shocked and probably bloody angry too,) :lol: but it must be done the very split second you see him going to attack after the lure stops.  

Ramble over, good luck. :thumbsup: di

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Not sure about the use of Citronella in dog training.

A dog should associate "bad" behaviour with the"punishment", when it returns to "good" behaviour it should have the punishment stopped immediately.

The problem with Citronella sprays being used as a "punishment" is that they affect the dog long after it has returned to "good" behaviour.

Ironically the electric shock collars that everyone seems to want banned give instant "punishment" which is stopped immediately the dog returns to "good" behaviour.

There is quite a debate in the gundog training world about this, with many trainers believing Citronella to be crueller than the electric collars and not liking it because the spray carries on upsetting the dog long after it has started behaving again thereby confusing the dog as to why it is still being punished.

There you go Di, that's my ramble and rant over!!

Woody

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mao said:

Hi Sheona, this is just a thought, knowing that he was unwell a few months ago & having seen a totally different Rowan at Worcester it might be worth getting him checked out physically to rule out any under lying problem :thumbsup:

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I totally agree with both these points. Woody is right - the electric shock is quick and then over where as citronella will linger on the end of their nose for quite some time - the dogs will soon learn that the bad thing he is doing will result in a not very nice feeling.

It will not stop him running as you are still letting him chase the lure - if you run him a couple of times on his own and dont shock him and then run him with another dog and shock him as soon as he turns to attack, if he does go to attack that is....he will associate the attack with a shock.

I would certainly get him checked out first before you try any training method and get the all clear from the vet (perferably a running dog specalist).

All lurchers tent to have a little confrontation with each other at the end of the race over the lure - they are hunting animals that will protect their catch....and this is what they are doing with the lure, just watch he dont start turning his head in the racing.

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You put so well Maggi, just what i was trying to say. :thumbsup: di

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You mean Helen!!

helsbels16 said:

gabbitas31 said:

helsbels16 said:

fitcher said:

gabbitas31 said:

Goodgal have you thought about trying a citronella spray collar, it won't hurt him, get a good friend who doesn't mind you running Rowan with their dog, stand at the finish and when he's very first goes to attack, press the button and it released a small puff of air, (citronella flavour) just under the neck, it shocks the dog and he forgets about the attack, (w00t) (I'm not explaining this very well) the shock is not electric, :lol: just a shock reaction, ( I'll put it another way, if you were sunbathing on a hot day with your eye's closed, (w00t) and some one poured a glass of ice cold water over you, :b you would be shocked and probably bloody angry too,) :lol: but it must be done the very split second you see him going to attack after the lure stops.  

Ramble over, good luck. :thumbsup: di

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Not sure about the use of Citronella in dog training.

A dog should associate "bad" behaviour with the"punishment", when it returns to "good" behaviour it should have the punishment stopped immediately.

The problem with Citronella sprays being used as a "punishment" is that they affect the dog long after it has returned to "good" behaviour.

Ironically the electric shock collars that everyone seems to want banned give instant "punishment" which is stopped immediately the dog returns to "good" behaviour.

There is quite a debate in the gundog training world about this, with many trainers believing Citronella to be crueller than the electric collars and not liking it because the spray carries on upsetting the dog long after it has started behaving again thereby confusing the dog as to why it is still being punished.

There you go Di, that's my ramble and rant over!!

Woody

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mao said:

Hi Sheona, this is just a thought, knowing that he was unwell a few months ago & having seen a totally different Rowan at Worcester it might be worth getting him checked out physically to rule out any under lying problem :thumbsup:

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I totally agree with both these points. Woody is right - the electric shock is quick and then over where as citronella will linger on the end of their nose for quite some time - the dogs will soon learn that the bad thing he is doing will result in a not very nice feeling.

It will not stop him running as you are still letting him chase the lure - if you run him a couple of times on his own and dont shock him and then run him with another dog and shock him as soon as he turns to attack, if he does go to attack that is....he will associate the attack with a shock.

I would certainly get him checked out first before you try any training method and get the all clear from the vet (perferably a running dog specalist).

All lurchers tent to have a little confrontation with each other at the end of the race over the lure - they are hunting animals that will protect their catch....and this is what they are doing with the lure, just watch he dont start turning his head in the racing.

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You put so well Maggi, just what i was trying to say. :thumbsup: di

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You mean Helen!!

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Yes Helen, didn't notice that. :lol:

Thanks so much everyone for all your helpful comments we'll be taking them all on board and I hope next time you see Rowan he'll be a reformed character

- if you can recognise him that is with the additions to his wardrobe he'll probably look like he's in disguise?! :clown:

No seriously I really appreciate the frank but not totally condemning discussion and support from you all - I'll let you know how we get on and hopefully we can work some magic! :sorcerer:

Thanks again

Sheona and Rowan xx

PS I'd better make sure it's Graham running around with a bucket of cold water - could get my self into even more trouble with my aim! :b

i would rest him from park courseing for the rest of the season ipresume he works and plays alone ive witnessed his aggessinon 1st hand if i had not pulled him off the whipet in the courseing he would have done some real damage he is very possesive of the lure but he didnt just warn the other dog he was attacking , its going to take alittle while to stop him doing it your first task is to get him to retrieve and give up his catch to you like you would a gun dog to refocus his energy when youve got good control take him out with another dog and try to get him safe retreveing with another dog if you can do this he should steady up a bit and wont be so lure cray then make up a lure and get him to retrieve it then next season run him with someone to catch him ,while your traing him treat the agression with a water pistol cheap but effective , also get his stopper sorted adog in pain already has its instincts heightened good luck with sorting him ,i just wish more people were as responsive to sorting their dogs as you have been because some people run agresive dogs without a second thougut to the damage they can cause to others dogs just for a rossette plus not all lurchers are good at racing :luck: :luck: :luck: paul

Do all the dogs wear muzzles while racing?

TTT said:

Do all the dogs wear muzzles while racing?

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They are suppose to :thumbsup: (or should i say, other racers prefer it), not just for other dogs safety but for the person taking the lure back,. :thumbsup: di