7/8 Greyhound 1/8 Whippet

Right folks get voting and lets have a bit of fun.

dazgail said:

Right folks get voting and lets have a bit of fun.

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some probably do already darren lol

hmmm yes if the event has sighthound classes or open racing, no if it is lurcher racing and classes.... :-

Stubournazza said:

hmmm yes if the event has sighthound classes or open racing, no if it is lurcher racing and classes.... :-

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why not tina ??? here read this i found on some page lol --Sight Hounds/ Long Dogs /Lurchers

I am trying to make sense of the classifications of the above

I have been talking metaphorically about a Deerhound x Greyhound - where would that sit in the classification?

Snorg

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Calli wrote:

I am trying to make sense of the classifications of the above

I have been talking metaphorically about a Deerhound x Greyhound - where would that sit in the classification?

Back trouble.

It's a snobbery thing I think, in a way, but a 'lurcher' as I understand it, was traditionally a cross between a 'running dog' (eg greyhound) and a working dog (eg collie) hence the classic working lurcher cross of the grey x collie. Speed + biddability + stamina = A Good Working Dog.

So, lurchers can be running dogs x collies, or terriers, or even, I hear, mutts like GSD's.. Or mixtures thereof, of course...

Long dogs are pure sighthounds, that hunt by sight alone and are pure running dogs and are dogs as god intended. So salukis, greys, borzois, sloughis, deerhounds, and a few others I can't even spell.

Personally, purely because I am a complete snob and sight-hound freak, I would call any cross between two of these dogs a 'long dog', raher than a .lurcher', as some ignorant tw*ts would. A lurcher is crossed with a collie. Or some other dumb mutt. Not a noble hound like a longdog.

Sight hounds are dogs that hunt by sight, and far older in breeding terms than scent dogs and herding dogs - and all are long dogs.

Keep them pure!

Oh - and the g x dh - long dog - as you might well know...

Calli

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Keep them pure!

How by essence from the above somewhat slanted post all long dogs are crosses?

So if you cross two longdogs both DH x G - obviously removed lines - would that not be pure?

Snorg

Calli wrote:

So if you cross two longdogs both DH x G - obviously removed lines - would that not be pure?

It would be a sighthound. And a long dog.

With back trouble!

monkeybum

Well if I wasn't confused before I am certainly bloody confused now! I was told a lurcher was a grey or whippet crossed with anything else. Oh well I guess my trainer at puppy classes is an ignorant tw*t as you so delicately put it Snorg!

All I can say is that my Grey cross collie whippet longdog sighthound black and white indian pony running (coughing ) trying to sit on the sofa cos I let him and the OH doesn't dog is a terrific nutcase who doesn't know a rabbit from his (rather itchy) ar*e at the mo.

Snorg

monkeybum wrote:

Well if I wasn't confused before I am certainly bloody confused now!

does that make any sense lol - good luck ha ha

I class Andy as a lurcher as he has collie in him.

I class Max as a longdog cos he's sighthound to sighthound

However, as long as other's are racing their longdogs at lurcher racing, then so will I

And my answer to the question is....its up to the race organisers

Roger

you could ban whippet/greyhounds from racing and showing,but how do you know for sure how a dog is bred.

beddy said:

you could ban whippet/greyhounds from racing and showing,but how do you know for sure how a dog is bred.

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ban ?? what pupose would that do , theyre cross breds , so surely can race ????

reading this makes me laugh :lol: ,whenever ive been to lurcher racing most of the top dogs that compete week in and week out are almost entirely grews (greyhound whippets ) or even greyhounds ,if your serious about competing every week then your going to fail if you dont have one of the dogs mentioned :rant: ,its just pointless even turning up if you have anything else and you think you have a chance of winning :rant: .what gameshows should do is advertise OPEN DOG RACING and LURCHER RACING then people can enter there dogs in the right class ,but having said that people are still going to say their GREW still has a bit of beddyor collie in it even if its only a 1/16 so its a lurcher :- :lol: :- :lol: .TO ME IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE OPEN DOG RACING that way everyone is is on a level playing field and the best dog wins on merit ,NOT A GREW ,GREYHOUND running against lurchers :- :- :- .

if i were to take up (LURCHER RACING )lol at gameshows i would go and buy a a grew,and i wouldnt bat an eyelid it wouldnt make sense not to ..............MAY THE BEST CHEAT WIN :- :- :- ......JIM

jimbh said:

reading this makes me laugh :lol: ,whenever ive been to lurcher racing most of the top dogs that compete week in and week out are almost entirely grews (greyhound whippets ) or even greyhounds ,if your serious about competing every week then your going to fail if you dont have one of the dogs mentioned :rant: ,its just pointless even turning up if you have anything else and you think you have a chance of winning :rant: .what gameshows should do is advertise OPEN DOG RACING and LURCHER RACING then people can enter there dogs in the right class ,but having said that people are still going to say their GREW still has a bit of beddyor collie in it even if its only a 1/16 so its a lurcher :- :lol: :- :lol: .TO ME IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE OPEN DOG RACING that way everyone is is on a level playing field and the best dog wins on merit ,NOT A GREW ,GREYHOUND running against lurchers :- :- :- .if i were to take up (LURCHER RACING )lol at gameshows i would go and buy a a grew,and i wouldnt bat an eyelid it wouldnt make sense not to ..............MAY THE BEST CHEAT WIN :- :- :- ......JIM

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jim -- cheat-- is a very strong word , if my dog runs and wins great, if he runs and gets beat , so what, he was bought for hunting which is the difference , racing although competitive, is still fun

LOL :lol: ,my way of thinking is this ,greyhounds were bred to cover a distance in the fastest time possible ,whippets (grews,none peds )have been bred to to compete at the highest level in there own competitions ,LURCHERS are working dogs ,pot fillers ,and they dont posess and wernt bred for speed alone unlike greyhounds/ whippets .so if lurchers compete against lurchers then they are running against their own class of dog .

would you race a van against a ferrari :lol: :lol: :lol: ? (ones for work ones for speed ,LOL ,get ma drift ).

i do agree that that lurcher racing is great fun ,and a good weekend out ,a good oppertunity to meet with friends ect ,but your never going to compete on a level playing field with a pot filler .......jim

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LOL :lol: ,my way of thinking is this ,greyhounds were bred to cover a distance in the fastest time possible ,whippets (grews,none peds )have been bred to to compete at the highest level in there own competitions ,LURCHERS are working dogs ,pot fillers ,and they dont posess and wernt bred for speed alone unlike greyhounds/ whippets .so if lurchers compete against lurchers then they are running against their own class of dog . would you race a van against a ferrari :lol: :lol: :lol: ? (ones for work ones for speed ,LOL ,get ma drift ).

i do agree that that lurcher racing is great fun ,and a good weekend out ,a good oppertunity to meet with friends ect ,but your never going to compete on a level playing field with a pot filler .......jim

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Unless the race happens to be a simulated course!!! Then would put my money on a pot filler every time....so long as judging is fair... lol

I now have a lurcher and a long dog (grew) and will race both tho the grew is predominantly for the track but will put up against the other grews at Lurcherworld events where that is more open and just straight racing..

and to add to the thread on Stuart's post..can you ask them what an Afghan hound is for....lol slower than a gundog and not much quicker than a terrier over 250m....and dont seem to have the attention span for a stamina runnning dog LOL :teehee:

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beddy said:

you could ban whippet/greyhounds from racing and showing,but how do you know for sure how a dog is bred.

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ban ?? what pupose would that do , theyre cross breds , so surely can race ????

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Thing is it isnt called a Cross breed event it is called a Lurcher event and lurcher racing cept at Lurcherworld where it is now pretty much open...and is done by description of shaggyness now :unsure:

When I started lurcher racing many years ago there were whip x greys running & it never was an issue, I was happy to run my beddie crosses against them because they liked to race & I loved to watch them :thumbsup:

I was then extremely lucky to have Tarn who was mixed breeding, in fact he was bred for lurcher showing but he was a brilliant overs racer ) & yes he won quite a few times against whip x greys (& the odd greyhound posing as a lurcher) I loved watching him race, win or lose :thumbsup:

I still have no problem running my roughies against whatever is racing, one of them is faster than one of my whip x greys :lol:

As already posted I think that it would be extremely difficult to distinguish the dogs that are straight whip/greys from those with an additional breed in them, my Taz has quarter collie in him but I'm still asked whether he's a whip x grey )

I have 2 pups, 1 is whip x grey hopefully he'll be going non ped racing but Solly the other pup which is a lurcherx will be going lurcher racing, as long as he & I enjoy it he'll be be running against whatever is running that day............who knows he may win a lovely plastic trophy :lol: :lol:

Stubournazza said:

dennned said:

beddy said:

you could ban whippet/greyhounds from racing and showing,but how do you know for sure how a dog is bred.

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ban ?? what pupose would that do , theyre cross breds , so surely can race ????

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Thing is it isnt called a Cross breed event it is called a Lurcher event and lurcher racing cept at Lurcherworld where it is now pretty much open...and is done by description of shaggyness now :unsure:

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When I queried this.... it now means that rough unders & overs will be running against each other & same with the smooths which is fine for the finals when they are running in pairs but in the qualifying rounds, as I've been told they're running in heats which could mean that ie my lightweight u23" could be in the same heat as 3 or more over 23" doesn't that increase the risk of the smaller dog getting injured if any of the others "mess about"........think I prefer to stay in size categories, yes there's always the risk of dogs getting injured as in all racing/field events but you try to minimise the risk :thumbsup:

mao said:

Stubournazza said:

dennned said:

beddy said:

you could ban whippet/greyhounds from racing and showing,but how do you know for sure how a dog is bred.

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ban ?? what pupose would that do , theyre cross breds , so surely can race ????

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Thing is it isnt called a Cross breed event it is called a Lurcher event and lurcher racing cept at Lurcherworld where it is now pretty much open...and is done by description of shaggyness now :unsure:

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When I queried this.... it now means that rough unders & overs will be running against each other & same with the smooths which is fine for the finals when they are running in pairs but in the qualifying rounds, as I've been told they're running in heats which could mean that ie my lightweight u23" could be in the same heat as 3 or more over 23" doesn't that increase the risk of the smaller dog getting injured if any of the others "mess about"........think I prefer to stay in size categories, yes there's always the risk of dogs getting injured as in all racing/field events but you try to minimise the risk :thumbsup:

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(w00t) :- Now you've started sommat Maggie.All those people with unders,will start complaining that they've got to run against overs,and they may be over 23 whippet/greys :lol: Sorry only jesting folks :clown: This argument/debate has been running for years,and will proberbly go on for years.Just enjoy your summers,and if you dont agree with how the racing is run,then dont enter.For the record,agree Maggie about running little uns with the big uns :thumbsup: but does seem the organizers are trying to cater for everybody :thumbsup:

rodders said:

mao said:

Stubournazza said:

dennned said:

beddy said:

you could ban whippet/greyhounds from racing and showing,but how do you know for sure how a dog is bred.

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ban ?? what pupose would that do , theyre cross breds , so surely can race ????

Click to expand...

Thing is it isnt called a Cross breed event it is called a Lurcher event and lurcher racing cept at Lurcherworld where it is now pretty much open...and is done by description of shaggyness now :unsure:

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When I queried this.... it now means that rough unders & overs will be running against each other & same with the smooths which is fine for the finals when they are running in pairs but in the qualifying rounds, as I've been told they're running in heats which could mean that ie my lightweight u23" could be in the same heat as 3 or more over 23" doesn't that increase the risk of the smaller dog getting injured if any of the others "mess about"........think I prefer to stay in size categories, yes there's always the risk of dogs getting injured as in all racing/field events but you try to minimise the risk :thumbsup:

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(w00t) :- Now you've started sommat Maggie.All those people with unders,will start complaining that they've got to run against overs,and they may be over 23 whippet/greys :lol: Sorry only jesting folks :clown: This argument/debate has been running for years,and will proberbly go on for years.Just enjoy your summers,and if you dont agree with how the racing is run,then dont enter.For the record,agree Maggie about running little uns with the big uns :thumbsup: but does seem the organizers are trying to cater for everybody :thumbsup:

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You are right Rodders. The format was changed after a lot of input from racers to give the shaggies a fair crack of the whip. As for unders vs overs it's just a case of trying to fit everybodies wants into a limited time frame. It just isn't feasible. We run our unders in the dash at the Lurcherworld events but race them at other events such as Corsing Crew etc, and as the old saying goes "You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time".

On another note; if they were to ever try to enforce the proof of breeding gag, I for one would be goosed. We've got 4 hounds and 3 are rescues with no knowledge of what they are????????? (w00t)

discobandit said:

rodders said:

mao said:

Stubournazza said:

dennned said:

beddy said:

you could ban whippet/greyhounds from racing and showing,but how do you know for sure how a dog is bred.

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ban ?? what pupose would that do , theyre cross breds , so surely can race ????

Click to expand...

Thing is it isnt called a Cross breed event it is called a Lurcher event and lurcher racing cept at Lurcherworld where it is now pretty much open...and is done by description of shaggyness now :unsure:

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When I queried this.... it now means that rough unders & overs will be running against each other & same with the smooths which is fine for the finals when they are running in pairs but in the qualifying rounds, as I've been told they're running in heats which could mean that ie my lightweight u23" could be in the same heat as 3 or more over 23" doesn't that increase the risk of the smaller dog getting injured if any of the others "mess about"........think I prefer to stay in size categories, yes there's always the risk of dogs getting injured as in all racing/field events but you try to minimise the risk :thumbsup:

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(w00t) :- Now you've started sommat Maggie.All those people with unders,will start complaining that they've got to run against overs,and they may be over 23 whippet/greys :lol: Sorry only jesting folks :clown: This argument/debate has been running for years,and will proberbly go on for years.Just enjoy your summers,and if you dont agree with how the racing is run,then dont enter.For the record,agree Maggie about running little uns with the big uns :thumbsup: but does seem the organizers are trying to cater for everybody :thumbsup:

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You are right Rodders. The format was changed after a lot of input from racers to give the shaggies a fair crack of the whip. As for unders vs overs it's just a case of trying to fit everybodies wants into a limited time frame. It just isn't feasible. We run our unders in the dash at the Lurcherworld events but race them at other events such as Corsing Crew etc, and as the old saying goes "You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time".

On another note; if they were to ever try to enforce the proof of breeding gag, I for one would be goosed. We've got 4 hounds and 3 are rescues with no knowledge of what they are????????? (w00t)

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Eh....are shaggy lurchers slower than smooth ones...? and then will that be split down even further into rough coats n broken coats??? I reckon the only reason it been split is coz ya cant get a shaggy grew..so why should i with a smooth coat lurcher have to race my dog against a grew n not someone with a rough/ broken coat???

And there are alot of quick shaggies out there!!! :thumbsup:

And yes I think it would have been better to split unders and overs rather than shaggies n non-shaggies... but then I wasnt asked

And I am happy to race mine at all events but mainly in the coursing and dash where the dog runs on it's own or in unders only straights

Tween all the racing teams there is something for everyone I guess but the shaggy vs non shaggy thing..please

Stubournazza said:

discobandit said:

rodders said:

mao said:

Stubournazza said:

dennned said:

beddy said:

you could ban whippet/greyhounds from racing and showing,but how do you know for sure how a dog is bred.

Click to expand...

ban ?? what pupose would that do , theyre cross breds , so surely can race ????

Click to expand...

Thing is it isnt called a Cross breed event it is called a Lurcher event and lurcher racing cept at Lurcherworld where it is now pretty much open...and is done by description of shaggyness now :unsure:

Click to expand...

When I queried this.... it now means that rough unders & overs will be running against each other & same with the smooths which is fine for the finals when they are running in pairs but in the qualifying rounds, as I've been told they're running in heats which could mean that ie my lightweight u23" could be in the same heat as 3 or more over 23" doesn't that increase the risk of the smaller dog getting injured if any of the others "mess about"........think I prefer to stay in size categories, yes there's always the risk of dogs getting injured as in all racing/field events but you try to minimise the risk :thumbsup:

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(w00t) :- Now you've started sommat Maggie.All those people with unders,will start complaining that they've got to run against overs,and they may be over 23 whippet/greys :lol: Sorry only jesting folks :clown: This argument/debate has been running for years,and will proberbly go on for years.Just enjoy your summers,and if you dont agree with how the racing is run,then dont enter.For the record,agree Maggie about running little uns with the big uns :thumbsup: but does seem the organizers are trying to cater for everybody :thumbsup:

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You are right Rodders. The format was changed after a lot of input from racers to give the shaggies a fair crack of the whip. As for unders vs overs it's just a case of trying to fit everybodies wants into a limited time frame. It just isn't feasible. We run our unders in the dash at the Lurcherworld events but race them at other events such as Corsing Crew etc, and as the old saying goes "You can please some of the people some of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time".

On another note; if they were to ever try to enforce the proof of breeding gag, I for one would be goosed. We've got 4 hounds and 3 are rescues with no knowledge of what they are????????? (w00t)

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Eh....are shaggy lurchers slower than smooth ones...? and then will that be split down even further into rough coats n broken coats??? I reckon the only reason it been split is coz ya cant get a shaggy grew..so why should i with a smooth coat lurcher have to race my dog against a grew n not someone with a rough/ broken coat???

And there are alot of quick shaggies out there!!! :thumbsup:

And yes I think it would have been better to split unders and overs rather than shaggies n non-shaggies... but then I wasnt asked

And I am happy to race mine at all events but mainly in the coursing and dash where the dog runs on it's own or in unders only straights

Tween all the racing teams there is something for everyone I guess but the shaggy vs non shaggy thing..please

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Well I must say I`m pleased they`ve put something on for rough/broken coated lurchers to go for, I`ve got a rough unders bitch i`ve never really bothered racing because I know she`s never stood a chance with the best whip/greys.I agree with Maggie to a point your only running for a plastic trophy and it`s not all about the winning but it may well put a lot of people off travelling to race when they havent got a chance of getting close to the winners.Fair play to lurcherworld for giving it a go,be interesting to see what sort of numbers they get that possibly would`nt have bothered otherwise.Chris :thumbsup:

Even if you raced a longdog with a lurcher, the longdog wont always win. it depends on the set up or the course, how long the race is etc. Longdog are bulit for quick speeds, and lurchers should be quick and have the stamina to keep going, so you could get a longdog who could run quickyl at short distance, but would be taken over by the lurcher who could run quickly for longer.

PhoenixMum said:

Even if you raced a longdog with a lurcher, the longdog wont always win. it depends on the set up or the course, how long the race is etc. Longdog are bulit for quick speeds, and lurchers should be quick and have the stamina to keep going, so you could get a longdog who could run quickyl at short distance, but would be taken over by the lurcher who could run quickly for longer.

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how many races have you seen 300yds or more the distance at shows are just right for longdogs most are under 200yds

roger