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I must say though - Dido lays like that ALL the time even before she was pregnant - a few of mine do, that and she also sits on her knuckles, here is a picture of that so you know what I am talking about - hasn't done it since she's got big however - to much weight ;)

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I'm really enjoying this thread :thumbsup:

Good luck with your litter, I like the dads but the mum is even better! :wub:
 
Thanks, we surely love our Dido and we are so excited - she is getting a little restless today, maybe we'll start having pups either late tonight or tomorrow - or maybe she'll hold off a bit longer - who knows :)

Krys
 
sdwhippets said:
I must say though - Dido lays like that ALL the time even before she was pregnant - a few of mine do, that and she also sits on her knuckles, here is a picture of that so you know what I am talking about - hasn't done it since she's got big however - to much weight ;)
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I had one that used to do this too
 
So far, she's our only one - BUT both her brother and sister we have (we kept that whole litter of 3 - LOL) do it on occassion but not to the extent she does, they normally do it while on the couch or when they are laying down they fold them under so their feet are flat against their legs.

Whippets do the darndest things ;)

Krys
 
I'm very pleased to see a photo of Quincy. His mother Sotis is one of my all-time favourites (I met her [and Lisa!] when I was in Sweden, a few years ago now). He is a very handsome fellow, and not unlike his mum. :wub:
 
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Thank you, we are so pleased with Quincy and he reminds us so much of momma Sotis - she is just beautiful. Quincy is about the happiest dog you will EVER meet, I don't think I have ever seen him scared by anything since we got him as a baby, he's not afraid of a thing, the reason we haven't been showing him to much lately is because he is SO happy - he moves with his head up and tries to look at me which throws his front end off, but he's getting better so he'll see more of the show ring this fall - right now he's busy working on his AKC Field Championship and doing really well! Over half way there!

Brooks is MY baby though and I am so happy to finally (and hopefully) be getting puppies sired by him! He'll most likely be neutered this fall, so I do hope we get some sired by both dogs :)

Dido is doing well - getting uncomfortable but with as big as she is that is really understandable :) Will hopefully only have to wait another day or two. Our vets phone number is up on the fridge just incase, he is so wonderful - it's his weekend off and he's not on call, but if we call him he will come in just for us and Dido! And I did tell mom, we absolutely could not move so long as he was working here :)

krys
 
I have been reading this thread with mounting incredulity, am I the only one who thinks that this is one of the craziest things Ive ever heard? I hope to God that our kennel club NEVER sanctions such a thing. I cannot imagine someone coming to use one of my dogs and then going off to use someone else's........and them allowing it because I sure as heck would not sanction it.

Can you imagine the furore in this country, at this time, if it became public that you had allowed TWO dogs to mate one bitch, can you imagine it?

To me there is something not at all right about this and for my money its this kind of behaviour that gives dog breeders a bad name, as I said before I truly hope that this is one practice that stays the other side of the pond.

Nicky
 
UKUSA said:
I have been reading this thread with mounting incredulity, am I the only one who thinks that this is one of the craziest things  Ive ever heard? I hope to God that our kennel club NEVER sanctions  such a thing. I cannot imagine someone coming to use one  of my dogs and then going off to use someone else's........and them allowing it because I sure as heck would not sanction it.Can you imagine the furore in this country, at this time, if it became public that you had allowed TWO dogs to mate one bitch, can you imagine it?

To me there is something not at all right about this and for my money its this kind of behaviour that gives dog breeders a bad name, as I said before I truly hope that this is one practice that stays the other side of the pond.

Nicky

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No, you're not the only one.
 
UKUSA said:
I have been reading this thread with mounting incredulity, am I the only one who thinks that this is one of the craziest things  Ive ever heard? I hope to God that our kennel club NEVER sanctions  such a thing. I cannot imagine someone coming to use one  of my dogs and then going off to use someone else's........and them allowing it because I sure as heck would not sanction it.Can you imagine the furore in this country, at this time, if it became public that you had allowed TWO dogs to mate one bitch, can you imagine it?

To me there is something not at all right about this and for my money its this kind of behaviour that gives dog breeders a bad name, as I said before I truly hope that this is one practice that stays the other side of the pond.

Nicky

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Not meaning to have more come backs than Gary Glitter, and thinking I should not say a thing I have been reading this thread and I am appalled. I hope to god that this method is never allowed by the K.C.

We have all been in the situation when planning to mate a bitch as to what stud dog should we use, I know how I agonised with Dolly, whether to use Jason or not but I certainly would never take the option of using him and the other dog hoping for a split litter. Like Nicky I would never let one of our boys be part of such a mating. If you have two dogs in mind it is a sorry state of affairs that you can not wait 2 yrs to mate her to the other dog.
 
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There are lots & lots of people in many different countries eagerly awaiting your updates on this fantastic litter :)

Very best of luck to sweet Dido & yourselves & please keep us that are so genuinely interested updated.

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People can think what they want to think - they are entitled to their own opinions. This was OUR decision, that involved OUR dogs .

All I can say is speak your words - but keep it civilized. But may I ask, why are you all 'appalled'. Basically all you have said is that you are against breeding a bitch to two dogs - but WHY? In the long run, we get puppies out of her by two dogs but don't have to put her through having two litters (and introducing even more dogs into this world) Someone also said that " it is a sorry state of affairs that you can not wait 2 yrs to mate her to the other dog" - well, we may not have a chance to breed her in 2 years. With our own plans, she could be 7 or 8 years old before we have another chance to breed her, she's already nearly 4 years and this is her first litter and could be her last, so why not give it a shot of having puppies sired by two different dogs out of one girl? If you are going to express that you don't like this method - please give us some details on why, all that has been mentioned is that you wouldn't breed a bitch to two dogs - but please tell us why? Also in this situation, we did not breed to an outside dog and breed to one of our own - both males are owned and living with us.

As for the rest of you that are interested in seeing how it goes - I will keep you updated :) When she has the pups I will start a new thread that I will post lots of pictures on. She's doing pretty good, her first due date is today. She's been uncomfortable since yesterday but is hanging in there.

Krys
 
Lots of luck :luck:

So many of us are awaiting this fantastic litter. I for one feel this is a great step forward, its called PROGRESS :- " .

Good luck Dido :luck:
 
Well I'm sorry but I didn't think that I was being rude simply expressing an opinion. As for the many that are eagerly awaiting news of the forthcoming litter well interestingly, since I posted Ive received a number of emails agreeing with me.

I'm afraid I do not consider it progress, just because you can do it doesn't make it right. Already as dog breeders we play God by deciding what dog to mate to what bitch, I do not think that we should take it a step further by using two dogs on one bitch, where does it end? How soon before its three dogs.

As for saving a bitch the trouble of two litters. It NEVER ceases to amaze me just how nature takes over and these bitches settle so easily to motherhood and those that don't should not be put into whelp again.

I can fully understand having DNA done when a bitch has been caught by two dogs, that makes perfect sense but in today's climate in this country this practice would only add fuel to the fire and from what I understand from my American friends who have heard about this, they are not happy either.

This is all I will post on this topic as I have no wish to get into a slanging match. In my opinion this form of dog breeding is a step to far.

Nicky
 
I have to say i LOVE sire #1 - Brooks, he is stunning. :wub: :wub:
 
UKUSA said:
Well I'm sorry but I didn't think that I was being rude simply expressing an opinion. As for the many that are eagerly awaiting news of the forthcoming litter well interestingly, since I posted Ive received a number of emails agreeing with me.I'm afraid I do not consider it progress, just because you can do it doesn't make it right. Already as dog breeders we play God by deciding what dog to mate to what bitch, I do not think that we should take it a step further by using two dogs on one bitch, where does it end? How soon before its three dogs.

As for saving a bitch the trouble of two litters. It NEVER ceases to amaze me just how nature takes over and these bitches settle so easily to motherhood and those that don't   should not be put into whelp again.

I can fully understand having DNA done when a bitch has been caught by two dogs, that makes perfect sense but in today's climate in this country this practice would only add fuel to the fire and from what I understand from my American friends who have heard about this, they are not happy either.

This is all I will post on this topic as I have no wish to get into  a slanging match. In my opinion this form of dog breeding is a step to far.

Nicky

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As I said already above, there is absolutely nothing new about bitch being mated by two, or 3 or half a dozen of dogs. It happens in wild or feral populations.

I have to admit when I first heard of mating bitch to 2 dogs, I just sighed and thought :wacko: what is the world coming to. But more I thought about it more I came to conclusion there is absolutely nothing in this that I could object to.

But then I always try to listen to the other person's point of view and often change my mind. [mod edit]
 
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I'm not a breeder, and if I were I'm not saying this a route I'd follow, however, I can understand the reasons for and against doing this - in this day and age, with bitches or frozen seman getting flown all over the world, this actually sounds like quite a low-tech, almost natural mating!

I guess for me personally, my dogs are pets, one of which I show occasionally, and I would never want that to change no matter how many dogs I end up with or how sucessful their show career was, I can't ever imagine finding myself in a position where my dog's live was mapped out so far in advance - I barely know what I'm doing tomorrow :- "

Mind you, if you find yourself with a spare boy from mum and dad no.2 . . . . :thumbsup: :lol:
 
It's not something I personally would do. For me, if I thought that I only had one shot with a given bitch, I would step up to the plate and swing as hard as I could at the dog that I thought was the BEST choice for her, and try to get the maximum number of pups to choose from that I could from that combination.

However, like I said earlier, it's a different world now because we DO have DNA testing as a tool, and AKC opened the door for this type of scheme and so it's not realistic to think that breeders won't see that open door and have some creative ideas how to use it.

It will be very interesting to see how this type of breeding will unfold. I try to keep an open mind, even if it's not something I would do. When you change the rulebook, you change the whole paradigm.

Karen Lee
 
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I do want to thank everyone for their comments on Dido, Quincy & Brooks. We knew when we did this that there would be people for and against it so it's no surprise to me what different kinds of posts we are getting here :)

Thank you to everyone that has been supportive and we will keep you updated on our girl - her temp seems to be going down little by little - maybe late tonight or tomorrow we'll have something to show from this breeding :)

krys
 
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When you change the rulebook, you change the whole paradigm.
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Karen, I'm not very bright, I don't know what that means! :b But I respect what you say, so I'll just agree with you :thumbsup: :lol:
 
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