Club Rules Versus Wrca Rules

[Joanna]

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I have just read Terry Davies' article in this month's Whippet News. He mentions the ongoing debate about why clubs don't adopt the WCRA rules. I have to say, that I find it odd that clubs are affiliated, yet can have their own agendas. It must be quite confusing, particularly in the Open season when clubs run by their own rules, yet people come from every-where to run their dogs and in theory should familiarise themselves with the individual club rules. Would it not be prudent to adopt the WCRA rules so that wherever you went, infringements would be general not specific?

Is there another sport which allows clubs to make their own rules? It does seem rather odd, but I would like to hear what people have to say about it. Perhaps there is some-thing I am not "seeing".

 

[Mark Roberts]

I agree compleatly Joanna, it should be a condition of Affiliation to the WRCA that clubs run to the WRCA's rules.

 

[BeeJay]

If this was to happen does this mean that clubs could only run club races off weight handicaps or scratch?

I thought that the affliated club opens were run to WCRA rules?

 

[Mark Roberts]

This was descussed at the last WCRA Talk in.

Opens can be run to either WCRA Rules or Club rules but it must state on the advertisment & entry forms which rules are being run to.

IMO all opens should be run to WCRA rules that way theres no confusion over fighters ect.

 

[June Jonigk]

A few years ago there were some mandatory rules (not running a dog behind a mechanical lure until its six months old etc) brought out by the WCRA which it insisted that clubs included in their club rules as a condition of affiliation. At the same time they also insisted that all opens were run to WCRA rules. We now have a more laid back committee who are not intent on ruling the roost on every issue, and at the last talk in as Mark says - they said club opens could be run to WCRA rules, or club rules. Someone from the WCRA actually said there are no WCRA rules, only Superstars rules? There must be WCRA rules of racing, e.g. 3 line judges on the finishing line all on the same side of the track etc etc. There has been a bit of confusion here I think. If a dog is disqualified at an open, and you have to inform the WCRA of that disqualification, surely you must have to have the WCRA disqualification rule. I have no problem with clubs running to their own rules, as I think the majority of clubs have the same rules. When it comes to which side the lure comes from, and where the smallest dog starts - I think it should be up to clubs to decide. As far as I know East Anglia, Maidstone, and Cornwall have a preference to have the traps the other way to the majority, but I see no harm in that - it all makes for a variety in racing.

 

[Joanna]

If this was to happen does this mean that clubs could only run club races off weight handicaps or scratch?
I thought that the affliated club opens were run to WCRA rules?

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If you look at the ad for EAWRC, it is running to it's own rules at the April 30th Open, also ESWRC in June.

I just think that if you are affiliated to a body, then the rules should be a fundamental part of that contract. If you wish to maintain independence, then it would go without saying that you make your own rules up. As Mark said, having one administrative point of contact would surely improve communication and every club can still send representatives to modernise and review exisiting rules.

Do clubs who run opens by their own rules send out a copy when an entry is paid for?

In my case, I have only raised the question as this will be our first season participating in Opens, and I suppose it struck me as being rather odd.

For those who have been in the game for years (IN not ON :- " ), it must all be really simple and easy to follow.................. :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

 

[BeeJay]

Now that I've had a think about this. :sweating: :wacko: Don't all clubs when affliating to the WCRA have to send a copy of their rules to be approved by the WCRA in order to join?

Also don't any rule changes have to be okayed by the WCRA?

So the club's rules must be in line anyway. I'm sure that the club rules that I've seen have a rule to say that they accept the WCRA rules.

 

[Strike Whippets]

I personally think most clubs "kinda" race to the WCRA rules, but ALL clubs have their own sets of rules .......At the end of the day "IF" as a club we pay our affiliation fee, this is mainly for the WCRA to put on 4 champs per season, and for them to amend anything that the "poor little sad normal racers" feel needs looking into :- " :teehee: ......Yeah right ......

 

[nymchy]

just like to say that west cornwall traps are on the side of the majority

June Jonigk not as you put down

 

[June Jonigk]

Oh sorry about that, I've never been to Cornwall so I was just going on what I was told previously - so that's only two clubs then.

 

[claire & steven]

Oh sorry about that, I've never been to Cornwall so I was just going on what I was told previously - so that's only two clubs then.

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June I think your find that it is Harvel and Maidstone that run their lure and traps the opposite way to the rest of the clubs and not the East Anglian Pwrc )

 

[June Jonigk]

I'd forgotten Harvel. East Anglia definitely used to have their traps the other way round on the bend though - or they did last time we were there.

 

[IanGerman]

It is 3 or 4 years since I was race manager at EA but unless they changed it .... lure from the left on straights and from the right on bends.

I'd guess that the reason for the lure being the other way round on the straight has more to do with the location of the straight track than any attempt to be "different". There is a hedge/fence on the left side which means people have to approach trhe tracks from the right or from the rear which would mean potentially people stepping on or tripping over the waiting lure line. I DID experiment for one meeting with a straight lure coming from the right side but I wouldn't want to repeat the comments it caused :- "

There IS a case to be made for uniformity, but with so many diverse tracks there are bound to be some who can't comply with everything. There is one thing that ought to be addressed though ... the rules on fighting/nobbling SHOULD be universal. Maybe they are - I haven't raced at all tracks but judging by some of the arguments we get I'd say not!

 

[Judy]

The rules about fighting are part of the WCRA mandatory rules and are therefor part of the rules of every affiliated club.

The problem is you can have 3 people see the same incident from different angles and all think something different happened. The only thing that will ever be universal is that the owners never think their dog was fighting :lol:

 

[Joanna]

The rules about fighting are part of the WCRA mandatory rules and are therefor part of the rules of every affiliated club.
The problem is you can have 3 people see the same incident from different angles and all think something different happened. The only thing that will ever be universal is that the owners never think their dog was fighting  :lol:

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Oooooooooooo controversial Mrs B

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[Judy]

The rules about fighting are part of the WCRA mandatory rules and are therefor part of the rules of every affiliated club.
The problem is you can have 3 people see the same incident from different angles and all think something different happened. The only thing that will ever be universal is that the owners never think their dog was fighting  :lol:

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Oooooooooooo controversial Mrs B

edited to correct my apalling spelling

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It wasn't meant to be.

 

[Nigel]

Oooooooooooo controversial Mrs B
edited to correct my apalling spelling

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Shouldn't that be appalling.... :huggles:

 

[Joanna]

Oooooooooooo controversial Mrs B
edited to correct my apalling spelling

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Shouldn't that be appalling.... :huggles:

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