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[whippetmad]

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:rant: why do sometimes judges discriminate a dog because they dont like a colour :rant: if the dog is how it should be,why knock it because they don't like that colour.i'm not all that keen on black,but if that dogwas pefect in a showring i would place that dog. i like my blues,fawns and brindles and partis and black would be my least choice.there are some nice blacks out there,i know someone who got a black and she beautiful,lovely coat,nice movement and topline etc.

 

[Karen]

Did the judge actually say they didnt like the colour or are you assuming they dont because the dog did not win?

Therefore is every judge who doesnt put up a black a judge who doesnt like black?

If we think the dog is really good must every judge think its really good?

If the judges always gave the class to a black in case people thought them biased against blacks, regardless of quality, would we think that was ok?

Its tricky :wacko:

 

[dessie]

No such thing as the perfect dog, black or otherwise, I'm afraid!!! And if we all thought the same, we wouldn't keep going to shows, week after week after week ........

Sorry, no, I take that back, my Dessie Whippet is perfect (well almost LOL)

 

[whippetmad]

Did the judge actually say they didnt like the colour or are you assuming they dont because the dog did not win?
Therefore is every judge who doesnt put up a black a judge who doesnt like black?

If we think the dog is really good must every judge think its really good?

If the judges always gave the class to a black in case people thought them biased against blacks,  regardless of quality, would we think that was ok?

Its tricky :wacko:

nothing to do with the dog not winning,but i have come acrooss people who has shown their dog and nothing became of it and they have spoken to the judge after showing is over saying they like the dog but don't like the colour!!also other people warn us of judges who dislike a certain colour.but we take no notice and just get on with it,but its a shame for some dogs( i'm not moaning,honest)just something and nothingif you see what i mean.

 

[JAX]

Of course you get colour judges!! You can generally tell by the entry if they are known to be colour predudice (sp)

I went under a Judge years ago (Sorry no names) who said of Mayzee . lovely bitch ,what a shame she`s fawn!!

Most allrounders tend to go for flashy parti colours as opposed to solids,

Blacks can tend to be /or give the impression of being very fine boned, but a really good one with a satin coat stands out for me.

I`m pleased to say that when Ive given Challenge Certificates I`ve placed every colour of whippet going , Its the dog Im looking at not it`s colour. o

Stealing from Karen [SIZE=14pt]Any mixture of colours[/SIZE]

 

[JAX]

well nearly stealing!!!!!!!

 

[whippetmad]

:thumbsup: thanks for being honest jax and well said

 

[aslan]

Technically there should be no prejudice, but "humanly" people have preferences. What judges should do to save their skins is keep their mouths closed rather than say things like that comment about Mayzee. Then again, we pay for their opinion and that is what we get - so in all honesty we shouldn't complain when they give it to us

There are some judges who still have colour preferences but don't let that interfere with their judging.

 

[playawhile]

Then again, we pay for their opinion and that is what we get - so in all honesty we shouldn't complain when they give it to us

Hi!

I don't know if you mean that we "have to take it" if a judge do complain about the colour, as we actually entered to get his/her opinion. When I enter a dog I do ask for an opinion from this judge but only what is asked for in the standard. The judge should not make any remarks about colour or markings, as the standard so clearly states that colour is immiterial (don't know how to spell that word!!!)

I get very frustrated at judges who actually make up their own little standard changes which they take in to account when judging. A few years back a man from a former eastern European country (sighthound person) was complaining about eyes and that some dog's eyes were to lightly coloured when he was judging in Sweden. I soon realised that he penalised dogs with eye colour that was lighter than the coat colour. Afterwards (I did not show myself) I did something I have never done before or after - I walked up to this man and asked him about this eye thing and he that he did not like whippets with eyes lighter than the coat. I then said that according to the standard that is not a fault, he got mad with me and said that it was very important for him - end of discussion!!!!!!

Henrik Härling

http://welcome.to/playawhile

 

[JAX]

I`m not keen on `light eyes` and would certainly never have a whippet with them , but when judging if it was a better dog than one with `dark` eyes , the `light eyed `dog would win. , but thats just me o

 

[Karen]

I`m not keen on `light eyes` and would certainly never have a whippet with them , but when judging if it was a better dog than one with `dark` eyes , the `light eyed `dog would win.  , but thats just me  o

It must be hard being so perfect Jax

As Lana says it would probably be better for judges to keep their mouths shut if they have nothing constructive to say.

You do get to know who not to go under after a while but even now I still make mistakes or think I will give someone a go despite what I know about what they like. Sometimes you get a surprise.

I show a very striking colour myself, not through choice he was just the best in the litter, but this can be just as hard as showing a black or blue. Plenty of judges wont put up a flashy brindle because they think people will think they are only putting it up because its flashy.

Jax says allrounders tend to do this. I disagree, I think allrounders get MORE brindles than Fawns under them so odds are in favour of a Brindle winning. And dont tell a soul I said this but sometimes the Brindles are more purposeful movers which allrounders definately like!!

Anyway its the same issue as height, you win some you lose some.

 

[~JO~]

I'm just interested daledogs - is this comment regarding a show you went to yesterday or is this in general?

 

[JAX]

And dont tell a soul I said this but sometimes the Brindles are more purposeful movers which allrounders definately like!!

Perhaps they are just dazzled by all the stripes!!!!!!!

:cheers:

 

[whippetmad]

I'm just interested daledogs - is this comment regarding a show you went to yesterday or is this in general?

in general joe. it started when a nice chap show his dog,did not get place,was not bother about this and later the judge said she was a nice bitch so casually he ask if you like her why did you not place her,he said outright dislike brindles so he said why did you not put that in the catalogue it would have save his money.!!! also you here other people saying he/she not keen on a colour

like i said before we dont take no notice and just do your best.at the end of the day if the dog is a alrounder then colour should not come into it.if we get place then brill if not then theres always next time,we are happy just to be at any show wether its companion,open or champ showi thought i bring this subject up because it does happen as other k9's have quoted,this is just a little discussion meaning no harm.

how did you do joe? at swwc.

 

[janfiers]

Oh Dear, the colour thing has shown its head again. Having started my connection with K9 when someone commented on an entry I judged, must say I agree with Jax. Colour doesn't or shouldn't make a fig of difference. The impression given of me was that I didn't like fawns as I didn't put that many of them up. Without going over the whole thing again, I couldn't give a fig whether the exhibits are black, blue, brindle, fawn or sky blue pink with red dots on, as long as they are made and move well and look as though they could do the job they were bred for. Yes, colour can sometimes make the dog look as if something is not as it should be. Just as equally it can give the opposite impression. As the judge you should have confidence in what your hands tell you and your eyes see. Colour shouldn't matter when you're judging, but to some people it is very important. I'm sure we've all seen judges who have a preference for fawns or fawn derivatives (what a posh word for a Sunday night) and will give all the placings to that colour regardless of whether they can move or not. In one case a fawn dog won a class that was clearly lame!

Colour is similar to the height debate, it will keep on going for as long as Whippets are bred.

 

[~JO~]

Colour is similar to the height debate, it will keep on going for as long as Whippets are bred.

Completely agree! I have to add that I don't think it always favours fawns, it can work the other way too!

Daledogs - I think it is an interesting discussion as it is quite often a topic that rises its head, I had a lovely day at SWWC and got a third - so was very happy! I couldn't show my puppy as he was injured which is disappointing, but there we go.

It was a fantastic show though with a record number of entries - Congratulations to BIS - Libby Clarkes Arjuna Joie de Vivre (I think thats how its spelt) I thought she was absolutely stunning and moved like a dream.

Also on the colour thing, there was such varied colour at the show it was great to watch and compare the impression colour can create. All food for thought!

 

[BeeJay]

>It was a fantastic show though with a record number of entries - Congratulations to BIS - Libby Clarkes Arjuna Joie de Vivre (I think thats how its spelt) I thought she was absolutely stunning and moved like a dream.

It was an enjoyable show wasn't it. Great food. Easy to get to.

>Also on the colour thing, there was such varied colour at the show it was great to watch and compare the impression colour can create. All food for thought!

Lovely to see all the different colours there. Don't often happen at shows which is a shame I think. Often SWW doesn't have a lot of parti's and the flashier brindles there. This time was different which was lovely. Very colourful I thought. All sorts of colours in the final line-ups too.

Nice to meet folks from the K9 board as well.

 

[Lydia]

It was a lovely show,very enjoyable.

unfortunately,I was badly let down by my kennel maid .She just hasn't been pulling her weight, since I acquired my lovely pythons. :wub:

So sadly,I've had to let her go .Of course,she has removed her dogs from my premises,so in future,any one enquiring about her dogs,will have to speak to her (the monkey),as opposed to me (the organ grinder). (w00t)

As for colour,the colour is very immaterial, temperment,construction and movement are the important factors.Some judges will not judge honestly,they will allow personal preference,biases and predjuices to prevail in the show ring.

Thankfully,we also have honest,trustworthy and reliable judges.

C'est le vie,we take the rough with the smooth,such is life.

Lyd

 

[dessie]

Blimey Lyd, that's very deep and meaningful!!!

I agree that construction and movement comes first when you are judging, then temperament (making allowance for age/venue) and then colour BUT if I had two dogs that were equally good in the above depts then I would put up what I prefer in colour.

 

[Cartman]

:teehee: Colour of a dog should make no difference. Is this topic about fawns,brindles or blacks etc. In a whippet number ONE I look for type. I think my dogs are of a type. I may have or had some that were not quite what I wanted,but they had some quallities that was needed at the time.

If I was judging & in came a nice black, it would have to be my type to win. The colour would make no difference, HOWEVER............& I am open to this......as a rule black whippets are of a certain type. As is red Border Collies, they are of a different type. Not just colour. They do tend to be more "old fashioned".

Wooooo.................have I said too much? However it is my opinion.

Jon from Down-under :teehee: