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[kim & Tilly]

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Someone at work has suggested you can get from the vet a contraceptive injection for dogs which will stop them coming into season....

Does anyone know anything about this ??

Is it a good idea or has problems?

Your advice and opinions welcomed

 

[~whitecross whippets~]

ive had it for 12 years cos i have endometriosis and its ok with me....although it can cause weight gain and headaches in humans (w00t)

 

[OEH]

I have been into great detail on this with my vet. Tess has had bad back problems caused by loosened ligaments during her season. She is now much much better but he thought it would be wise to suspend this season a bit to give her back time to strengthen comletely before the ligaments loosen again. Apparently there are two types. One is given to pet, non performance dogs as it really slows them down and the other is a steroid type drug that is given to running dogs etc. He decided that the steroid option would be best for her. It is a masculine hormone of some sort, and he said it would bulk up her muscles and speed her up a bit as well, and it does have to be said she is looking larger at the moment. She has also gone bald around her back legs. You give the injection a good few days before the season is expected and then every month until you think wish the seasons to start again. The season will start 6-8 weeks after the last injection.

We were particularly keen that she didn't come into season while we were staying with my parents over Christmas as their garden is terraced and she runs around full speed up and down 4 foot drops, which is fine when she is not in season, but could do serious damage to her back when in season (in facct we think this is probably what caused the problem in the first place- I never knew about the ligaments during the season so did not know not to let her tear around). So we have suspended for 2 months which gives her back that bit longer to strengthen (lots of swimming) and also avoided any damage being done running around my parents garden.

Sorry this is a bit long -_- , I hope it makes sense :b .

 

[kim & Tilly]

I have been into great detail on this with my vet.  Tess has had bad back problems caused by loosened ligaments during her season.  She is now much much better but he thought it would be wise to suspend this season a bit to give her back time to strengthen comletely before the ligaments loosen again.  Apparently there are two types.  One is given to pet, non performance dogs as it really slows them down and the other is a steroid type drug that is given to running dogs etc.  He decided that the steroid option would be best for her.  It is a masculine hormone of some sort, and he said it would bulk up her muscles and speed her up a bit as well, and it does have to be said she is looking larger at the moment.  She has also gone bald around her back legs.  You give the injection a good few days before the season is expected and then every month until you think wish the seasons to start again.  The season will start 6-8 weeks after the last injection.
We were particularly keen that she didn't come into season while we were staying with my parents over Christmas as their garden is terraced and she runs around full speed up and down 4 foot drops, which is fine when she is not in season, but could do serious damage to her back when in season (in facct we think this is probably what caused the problem in the first place- I never knew about the ligaments during the season so did not know not to let her tear around). So we have suspended for 2 months which gives her back that bit longer to strengthen (lots of swimming) and also avoided any damage being done running around my parents garden.

Sorry this is a bit long -_- , I hope it makes sense :b .

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Not at all that is really helpful.

If she has a steroid injection isnt there a problem with racing? like she would have an unfair advantage........is it ok?

Do you have any idea of cost etc??

Kim

 

[OEH]

Well no- apparently it is allowed racing- I thought that was rather strange too, but there you go, but she hasn't acctually raced on it yet and I think the effects will probably have worn off before we race seriously again, so I don't feel to guilty.

I think it cost about £50, but I can't remember- I'll try to dig out the bill

 

[lalena]

never tried anything :blink: but i'm sure ilovekettlechips, who is a vet, doesnt approve because its messing with some delicate balances. maybe theres something in faq that can help? :thumbsup:

 

[*Lesley*]

I can understand Olivia using it for medical reasons,(are there any side effects Olivia just out of curiosity) but I'm not sure I would want to use it as a general thing,because like Lalena says things happen for a reason, and I wouldn't let mine race on it much like with any medication :unsure:

Are you thinking of using it Kim?

 

[kim & Tilly]

I can understand Olivia using it for medical reasons,(are there any side effects Olivia just out of curiosity) but I'm not sure I would want to use it as a general thing,because like Lalena says things happen for a reason, and I wouldn't let mine race on it much like with any medication :unsure:
Are you thinking of using it Kim?

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Im not sure, was told about it by a lady in work and just wanted more info....

Tilly is in her first week or her first season and was clean to start with but is getting messy now, so i just wondered if there was anything safe to use to stop the pain and the mess she is going through, after all we use it.....

Kim

 

[OEH]

I think she may have been a little stroppier, but that might be due to the arrival of Esme :angry: But appart from that he said there weren't any side effects.

I don't think I would use it except under circumstances like Tess's, after all it's not natural. The only reason we haven't had Tess spayed is that the vet says its not a heriditary problem, just bad luck, and she appears to be recovering completely and we want to keep our options open for puppies, though I think it is unlikely we will do anything I just don't want to make a final decsion as she is rather special. Also I don't want to put her through a GA- I would rather have a bit of bother every 6 months than risk hurting her.

 

[Lakey]

Would it work on my wife and 2 teenage daughters if i slipped it into their tea :- "

I'm the only bloke in the house and could do without the hassle, I never know

whos going to bite my head off first :wacko: :blink:

Wouldn't be without them though :wub:

 

[dessie]

I have talked to my Vet about these injections and we have used them in the past on the ESS but the main dangerous side effect is that the bitch will be more prone to Pyometra if used on a regular basis. Also it can affect fertility

There used to be a tablet form that could be used once the season had started to dry it up but these also have the same side effect.

 

[05whippet]

I can understand Olivia using it for medical reasons,(are there any side effects Olivia just out of curiosity) but I'm not sure I would want to use it as a general thing,because like Lalena says things happen for a reason, and I wouldn't let mine race on it much like with any medication :unsure:
Are you thinking of using it Kim?

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Im not sure, was told about it by a lady in work and just wanted more info....

Tilly is in her first week or her first season and was clean to start with but is getting messy now, so i just wondered if there was anything safe to use to stop the pain and the mess she is going through, after all we use it.....

Kim

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I kind of agree with Lalena here they do have their seasons for a reason and I'm loathe to give them anything that would interfere with their natural balance.And as Dessie says there can be side effects so I know I would'nt be too keen on using it except for medical reasons as with Olivia.

If it is the messyness you are worried about we use season pants with a cut up sanitary towel in them (I get three wee ones from just the one) as Bracken bleeds very heavily. :x I find these a real god send and they are good for stopping the boys getting too amorous :teehee:

 

[kim & Tilly]

I can understand Olivia using it for medical reasons,(are there any side effects Olivia just out of curiosity) but I'm not sure I would want to use it as a general thing,because like Lalena says things happen for a reason, and I wouldn't let mine race on it much like with any medication :unsure:
Are you thinking of using it Kim?

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Im not sure, was told about it by a lady in work and just wanted more info....

Tilly is in her first week or her first season and was clean to start with but is getting messy now, so i just wondered if there was anything safe to use to stop the pain and the mess she is going through, after all we use it.....

Kim

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I kind of agree with Lalena here they do have their seasons for a reason and I'm loathe to give them anything that would interfere with their natural balance.And as Dessie says there can be side effects so I know I would'nt be too keen on using it except for medical reasons as with Olivia.

If it is the messyness you are worried about we use season pants with a cut up sanitary towel in them (I get three wee ones from just the one) as Bracken bleeds very heavily. :x I find these a real god send and they are good for stopping the boys getting too amorous :teehee:

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Its not really the messyness :b , more the pain she is in , she is so grumpy and follows me around everywhere :wub: ...

Having said that where did you get the pants and could i use a nappy :- "

 

[*Lesley*]

I don't use them myself but some on here do and think they are good, I'm not sure you'd be able to keep a nappy on, if they are anything like mine they jump about all over the place, here's a place you can get them http://www.dogwalkers.net/

Sienna is a bit grumpy during her season, I don't think there's a lot you can do about it really just cuddle :huggles:

I have heard mention of evening primrose but I could be wrong someone will know :thumbsup:

 

[June Jonigk]

Kim - try the pants, my little Mouse used to love hers!! I used to say "come and get your sexy black pants on" and she'd come running. They save all the mess.

They come with little pads, but after you've used them it's cheaper to buy "our sort" and cut them up. Although the dog pants have a pouch for the pad, it's best to buy the ones with sticky backs, and then they stay in place. I used to make pants for ours years ago, but then I came across the dog ones in Pets at Home, or somewhere like that. The only thing I didn't like about them was they had a metal clip that was adjustable to fasten them, so I cut it off, and sewed them up the correct size. I didn't think the metal bit would be comfortable.

I know everyone has their own ideas, but I wouldn't give hormone treatments to a bitch unless absolutely necessary - there are side effects, and you have to weigh up whether you are prepared to risk those, for the sake of a few weeks inconvenience.

You do feel sorry for them Kim, cos we know what they're going through!! A few extra cuddles, and tummy stroking will get her through it. I always found the first season is the worst, and it generally gets better after that.

At least she's getting it over with before the racing season starts.

Happy New Year to you and Tilly

June x

 

[EMILY]

Would it work on my wife and 2 teenage daughters if i slipped it into their tea  :- "   
I'm the only bloke in the house and could do without the hassle, I never know

whos going to bite my head off first  :wacko:   :blink:

Wouldn't be without them though  :wub:

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- Very good Lakey! Often wondered how my dad managed in the same situation as you!

 

[jue332]

quote=June Jonigk,Jan 5 2006, 04:25 PM]Kim - try the pants, my little Mouse used to love hers!!  I used to say "come and get your sexy black pants on" and she'd come running.  They save all the mess.

They come with little pads, but after you've used them it's cheaper to buy "our sort" and cut them up.  Although the dog pants have a pouch for the pad, it's best to buy the ones with sticky backs, and then they stay in place.  I used to make pants for ours years ago, but then I came across the dog ones in Pets at Home, or somewhere like that.  The only thing I didn't like about them was they had a metal clip that was adjustable to fasten them, so I cut it off, and sewed them up the correct size. I didn't think the metal bit would be comfortable.

I know everyone has their own ideas, but I wouldn't give hormone treatments to a bitch unless absolutely necessary - there are side effects, and you have to weigh up whether you are prepared to risk those, for the sake of a few weeks inconvenience.

You do feel sorry for them Kim, cos we know what they're going through!!  A few extra cuddles, and tummy stroking will get her through it.  I always found the first season is the worst, and it generally gets better after that.

At least she's getting it over with before the racing season starts.

Happy New Year to you and Tilly

June x

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Thanks for posting this, Evie came into season on christmas day, my daughter made her these, :lol: :lol: :lol:



they were a bit big but she didn't mind wearing them :lol: will try the bought ones now. :thumbsup:

Hubby thinks we are mad :- "

Julie

 

[kim & Tilly]

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quote=June Jonigk,Jan 5 2006, 04:25 PM]Kim - try the pants, my little Mouse used to love hers!!  I used to say "come and get your sexy black pants on" and she'd come running.  They save all the mess.

They come with little pads, but after you've used them it's cheaper to buy "our sort" and cut them up.  Although the dog pants have a pouch for the pad, it's best to buy the ones with sticky backs, and then they stay in place.  I used to make pants for ours years ago, but then I came across the dog ones in Pets at Home, or somewhere like that.  The only thing I didn't like about them was they had a metal clip that was adjustable to fasten them, so I cut it off, and sewed them up the correct size. I didn't think the metal bit would be comfortable.

I know everyone has their own ideas, but I wouldn't give hormone treatments to a bitch unless absolutely necessary - there are side effects, and you have to weigh up whether you are prepared to risk those, for the sake of a few weeks inconvenience.

You do feel sorry for them Kim, cos we know what they're going through!!  A few extra cuddles, and tummy stroking will get her through it.  I always found the first season is the worst, and it generally gets better after that.

At least she's getting it over with before the racing season starts.

Happy New Year to you and Tilly

June x

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Thanks for posting this, Evie came into season on christmas day, my daughter made her these, :lol: :lol: :lol:

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they were a bit big but she didn't mind wearing them :lol: will try the bought ones now. :thumbsup:

Hubby thinks we are mad :- "

Julie

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What a really good idea........im off to pinch a pair of my small daughters pants... :- "

 

[jok]

Hi Kim,

My mums bitch Molly has had these injections for about 7 years now. (she is now 11) She started having them when they got a dog. She has the injection every 6 months and does not come in season.

I personally would not let my bitch have this jab. Molly has had mammary cancer 4 times. When i first got my Dobermann bitch i asked my vet if she thought that female cancers were linked with the injection. She said that although there is no official link, she definitely believes there is one. She is a reasonably young vet and stated that this is something she had researched.

I asked her the vital question, 'Would you let your bitch have it'. She said NO. Thats good enough for me! Stick with your pants, my bitch had them until we had her spayed - she absolutely hated them though and would bite them off as soon as our backs were turned! :lol:

 

[June Jonigk]

WOW Julie - that's a sexy pink pair!! Did you make a tail hole? Your daughter made an excellent job of them.

My hubby thought I was mad at first - but the funniest thing is when you get up in the morning a bit bleary eyed, and let them out for a wee, but forget to take them off. Mouse used to run round and round half squatting, but sort of knowing she would wee her pants!! On a couple of occasions when it was dark in the wintertime, I let her out without thinking, once she wee'd her pants, and another time she poo'ed them!!! :blink: Just like having kids really.

Poor Evie - in season for Christmas - hope she's over it soon.