Hi everyone, we are still pretty new to racing (4 months) and we were wondering what happens when a dog is disqualified for interference. We saw a couple get disqualified at the Champs on sunday. My question is do they have to be cleared again, before they can race again?
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others may tell you more about it but, yes they do have to be cleared again
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Interesting point - below are the WCRA rules that apply as it was a race to WCRA rules
Fighting
4.30 Fighting occurs when a Whippet deliberately and aggressively impedes the progress of one or more Whippets during a race by turning it’s head.
It is not fighting when:-
a. A Whippet ‘lays on’ another Whippet to stop it passing.
b. A Whippet tries to jump over the whippet ahead of it.
c. A strong and determined Whippet shoves its way through the dog(s) ahead of it.
d. A Whippet runs to the inside or outside (even on a straight track) e.g. So that it is on the rails ready for a bend and in doing so pushes other whippet(s) out of the way.
e. A Whippet barks while racing.
f. A Whippet retaliates when interfered with, because the race ends with the first offence.
The Racing Manager decides when fighting has occurred after consultation with the Track Stewards.
A disqualified Whippet shall take no further part in racing on the day
One Trial on the Day Option
4.31 At the discretion of the race manager, a disqualified whippet will be permitted to undertake one trial at the end of racing on the day and at the place of its disqualification. This trial race should contain ideally three other whippets, one of whom is able to pass the offending whippets and the offending whippet to pass another dog cleanly. If the racing manager clears the whippet, the disqualification form should be completed accordingly by the racing manager or club secretary and the form, or a duplicate, must be forwarded to the WCRA Disqualification Officer within four days of the meeting at which the disqualification took place. Failure to do so, without reasonable excuse, will result in the club being fined three times the entry fee of the first dog for the WCRA Championships. If the whippet is not cleared, or does not undertake the ‘one trial on the day’ option, for whatever reason, then rule 4.31.1 applies. The ‘one trial on the day’ option can only be taken once per whippet per racing career, regardless of the outcome of the trial. (Note: if the ‘one trial on the day’ is not taken on the day of the disqualification, should the whippet be disqualified again during the season then the ‘one trial on the day’ can be taken on that day of disqualification).
Disqualified and Not Cleared on the Day.
4.31.1 The owner of the whippet that is disqualified and not cleared on the day, shall be provided with a ‘disqualification form’ by the racing manager or secretary of the disqualifying club on the day of disqualification, with Part 1 completed as appropriate (see 4.31.3). When cleared, the racing manager of the WCRA affiliated club at which the clearing trials take place should complete details of the clearance trials in Part 2. This form, or duplicate, must be forwarded to the club at which the whippet offended and to the WCRA Disqualification Officer. It is the responsibility of the owner of the disqualified whippet to ensure that the necessary clearance paperwork is recorded with the WCRA Disqualification Officer, to enable the whippet to compete at future Open race meetings where WCRA passports are a requirement of entry.
4.31.2 A disqualified whippet that is not cleared on the day of disqualification shall be suspended for seven days – (the day of disqualification is day one of suspension – therefore a whippet who is disqualified on a Sunday must wait until the following Sunday – day eight – before it can re-trial). The disqualified whippet must take part in a minimum of TWO acceptable consecutive clearance trials at a WCRA affiliated club before it may compete again. All clearing trials should contain ideally three other whippets, one of whom is able to pass the offending whippet and the offending whippet to pass another dog cleanly. If the disqualification took place on a straight then the whippet must re-clear on a straight. If the disqualification took place on a curve or a bend then the whippet must re-clear on a curve or a bend.
4.31.3 The racing manager or club secretary should complete Part 1 (see 4.31.1) of the disqualification form (as appropriate), the copy sent to the WCRA Disqualification Officer must also contain a brief summary of the incident on the reverse of the form, including names of the other dogs, trap placements and handicaps.
4.31.4 The racing manager or secretary of any racing club affiliated to the WCRA, who disqualifies any whippet(s) at any Open race meeting held by them, where WCRA passports are required as a condition of entry, must inform the WCRA Disqualification Officer within four days of the meeting at which the disqualification took place. Failure to do so, without reasonable excuse, will result in the club being fined three times the entry fee of the first dog for the WCRA championships. The WCRA Disqualification Officer will record all disqualifications and ‘one trial on the day’ occurrences submitted to him/her in the Disqualification Record Book and will keep the book in his/her possession, with the only general access to it being the sole prerogative of the Racing Manager of the WCRA.
4.31.5 Within two days prior to an Open race meeting where WCRA passports are a condition of entry, the WCRA Disqualification Officer will inform the secretary of the club of all whippets whose passports are suspended due to their gaining an entry in the Disqualifications Record Book. These whippets will be refused entry to the meeting. The Disqualification Officer will also inform the club secretary of those whippets who are eligible to run but who do not qualify for the ‘one trial on the day’ option. This is to include whippets pre-entered at the Open race meeting before they committed the offence. It is the responsibility of the club secretary and racing manager holding any Open race meeting where valid WCRA passports are a condition of entry, to ensure that all whippets have a valid passport and are cleared to compete.
4.31.6 Clearance trials for disqualifications and passport signings are only to be carried out by a WCRA affiliated club at a race meeting run by their officials and under their rules.
4.31.7 The WCRA Disqualification Officer must advise the WCRA Committee of any whippet who obtains three disqualifications within one season. The WCRA Committee reserves the right to withhold reinstatement to any whippet that is, or has shown itself to be, a confirmed fighter.
4.31.8 Four or More Disqualifications
The Disqualification Officer will record an ongoing total of the number of disqualifications held for each whippet.
At the fourth disqualification and for each subsequent disqualification, the offending whippet will incur an automatic ban from any/all Open and Championship events that require a WCRA Passport as a condition of entry, for a period of one year, from the date of the fourth disqualification. For example, a whippet disqualified on 4th June 2006 may not commence Clearance Trials until 5th June 2007.
This rule does not prevent the offending whippet from racing at Club(s) where valid WCRA Passports are not a condition of entry to race.
On receipt of confirmation of disqualification from the affiliated club or WCRA (as appropriate) the Disqualification Officer will advise the owner in writing of the number of disqualifications the dog now holds and the date from which Clearance Trials can be commenced.
Clearance Trials are to be run in accordance with rule 4.31.2
In order to enable the whippet to compete at future Open and Championship race meetings, where WCRA passports are a requirement of entry, the Disqualifications Officer must be in receipt of the necessary clearance paperwork.
It is the responsibility of the owner of the re-cleared whippet to ensure the necessary clearance paperwork is recorded with the WCRA Disqualification Officer
Any dog disqualified for a fourth or subsequent time will not be eligible for retrial on the day as the immediate one year disqualification takes precedence over the 'Trial on the Day' option.
The WCRA Disqualification Officer is required to advise the WCRA Committee of any whippet who obtains four disqualifications and of any subsequent disqualification thereafter. The WCRA Committee reserves the right to take further action, if it is felt appropriate.
The Disqualification Officer will advise the owner of the disqualified whippet in writing should any further action be taken.
Hope this is clear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:
Fighting
4.30 Fighting occurs when a Whippet deliberately and aggressively impedes the progress of one or more Whippets during a race by turning it’s head.
It is not fighting when:-
a. A Whippet ‘lays on’ another Whippet to stop it passing.
b. A Whippet tries to jump over the whippet ahead of it.
c. A strong and determined Whippet shoves its way through the dog(s) ahead of it.
d. A Whippet runs to the inside or outside (even on a straight track) e.g. So that it is on the rails ready for a bend and in doing so pushes other whippet(s) out of the way.
e. A Whippet barks while racing.
f. A Whippet retaliates when interfered with, because the race ends with the first offence.
The Racing Manager decides when fighting has occurred after consultation with the Track Stewards.
A disqualified Whippet shall take no further part in racing on the day
One Trial on the Day Option
4.31 At the discretion of the race manager, a disqualified whippet will be permitted to undertake one trial at the end of racing on the day and at the place of its disqualification. This trial race should contain ideally three other whippets, one of whom is able to pass the offending whippets and the offending whippet to pass another dog cleanly. If the racing manager clears the whippet, the disqualification form should be completed accordingly by the racing manager or club secretary and the form, or a duplicate, must be forwarded to the WCRA Disqualification Officer within four days of the meeting at which the disqualification took place. Failure to do so, without reasonable excuse, will result in the club being fined three times the entry fee of the first dog for the WCRA Championships. If the whippet is not cleared, or does not undertake the ‘one trial on the day’ option, for whatever reason, then rule 4.31.1 applies. The ‘one trial on the day’ option can only be taken once per whippet per racing career, regardless of the outcome of the trial. (Note: if the ‘one trial on the day’ is not taken on the day of the disqualification, should the whippet be disqualified again during the season then the ‘one trial on the day’ can be taken on that day of disqualification).
Disqualified and Not Cleared on the Day.
4.31.1 The owner of the whippet that is disqualified and not cleared on the day, shall be provided with a ‘disqualification form’ by the racing manager or secretary of the disqualifying club on the day of disqualification, with Part 1 completed as appropriate (see 4.31.3). When cleared, the racing manager of the WCRA affiliated club at which the clearing trials take place should complete details of the clearance trials in Part 2. This form, or duplicate, must be forwarded to the club at which the whippet offended and to the WCRA Disqualification Officer. It is the responsibility of the owner of the disqualified whippet to ensure that the necessary clearance paperwork is recorded with the WCRA Disqualification Officer, to enable the whippet to compete at future Open race meetings where WCRA passports are a requirement of entry.
4.31.2 A disqualified whippet that is not cleared on the day of disqualification shall be suspended for seven days – (the day of disqualification is day one of suspension – therefore a whippet who is disqualified on a Sunday must wait until the following Sunday – day eight – before it can re-trial). The disqualified whippet must take part in a minimum of TWO acceptable consecutive clearance trials at a WCRA affiliated club before it may compete again. All clearing trials should contain ideally three other whippets, one of whom is able to pass the offending whippet and the offending whippet to pass another dog cleanly. If the disqualification took place on a straight then the whippet must re-clear on a straight. If the disqualification took place on a curve or a bend then the whippet must re-clear on a curve or a bend.
4.31.3 The racing manager or club secretary should complete Part 1 (see 4.31.1) of the disqualification form (as appropriate), the copy sent to the WCRA Disqualification Officer must also contain a brief summary of the incident on the reverse of the form, including names of the other dogs, trap placements and handicaps.
4.31.4 The racing manager or secretary of any racing club affiliated to the WCRA, who disqualifies any whippet(s) at any Open race meeting held by them, where WCRA passports are required as a condition of entry, must inform the WCRA Disqualification Officer within four days of the meeting at which the disqualification took place. Failure to do so, without reasonable excuse, will result in the club being fined three times the entry fee of the first dog for the WCRA championships. The WCRA Disqualification Officer will record all disqualifications and ‘one trial on the day’ occurrences submitted to him/her in the Disqualification Record Book and will keep the book in his/her possession, with the only general access to it being the sole prerogative of the Racing Manager of the WCRA.
4.31.5 Within two days prior to an Open race meeting where WCRA passports are a condition of entry, the WCRA Disqualification Officer will inform the secretary of the club of all whippets whose passports are suspended due to their gaining an entry in the Disqualifications Record Book. These whippets will be refused entry to the meeting. The Disqualification Officer will also inform the club secretary of those whippets who are eligible to run but who do not qualify for the ‘one trial on the day’ option. This is to include whippets pre-entered at the Open race meeting before they committed the offence. It is the responsibility of the club secretary and racing manager holding any Open race meeting where valid WCRA passports are a condition of entry, to ensure that all whippets have a valid passport and are cleared to compete.
4.31.6 Clearance trials for disqualifications and passport signings are only to be carried out by a WCRA affiliated club at a race meeting run by their officials and under their rules.
4.31.7 The WCRA Disqualification Officer must advise the WCRA Committee of any whippet who obtains three disqualifications within one season. The WCRA Committee reserves the right to withhold reinstatement to any whippet that is, or has shown itself to be, a confirmed fighter.
4.31.8 Four or More Disqualifications
The Disqualification Officer will record an ongoing total of the number of disqualifications held for each whippet.
At the fourth disqualification and for each subsequent disqualification, the offending whippet will incur an automatic ban from any/all Open and Championship events that require a WCRA Passport as a condition of entry, for a period of one year, from the date of the fourth disqualification. For example, a whippet disqualified on 4th June 2006 may not commence Clearance Trials until 5th June 2007.
This rule does not prevent the offending whippet from racing at Club(s) where valid WCRA Passports are not a condition of entry to race.
On receipt of confirmation of disqualification from the affiliated club or WCRA (as appropriate) the Disqualification Officer will advise the owner in writing of the number of disqualifications the dog now holds and the date from which Clearance Trials can be commenced.
Clearance Trials are to be run in accordance with rule 4.31.2
In order to enable the whippet to compete at future Open and Championship race meetings, where WCRA passports are a requirement of entry, the Disqualifications Officer must be in receipt of the necessary clearance paperwork.
It is the responsibility of the owner of the re-cleared whippet to ensure the necessary clearance paperwork is recorded with the WCRA Disqualification Officer
Any dog disqualified for a fourth or subsequent time will not be eligible for retrial on the day as the immediate one year disqualification takes precedence over the 'Trial on the Day' option.
The WCRA Disqualification Officer is required to advise the WCRA Committee of any whippet who obtains four disqualifications and of any subsequent disqualification thereafter. The WCRA Committee reserves the right to take further action, if it is felt appropriate.
The Disqualification Officer will advise the owner of the disqualified whippet in writing should any further action be taken.
Hope this is clear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup:
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Yes that is one way ...... the jibes are getting a tad boring now though don't you think??????? ......... -_-
To find a fast dog,,try a non ped club,,not having a go as non peds are faster,,im sure a non ped club would help,,and ask for the person who needs to see the pass or passes to come along,,I love to watch schooling pups going up the track side by side,,even getting beet by a yard,,,I then know they going the right way :thumbsup:
Hope you get a pass soon :thumbsup: :luck:
Hope you get a pass soon :thumbsup: :luck:
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Spot on there Susan, some good helpful advice :thumbsup:
As a matter of information,"that dog" has been beaten on numerous occasions by pedigree dogs at Championship, Open and Club level. For example:
2nd in Oxford open, 2008,
Beaten by Run At Mill and Highland Warrior 1st Champs 2008
At club level he has been beaten by Cheap Thrills and Wheal Kitty,
so, at South Cotswolds we shall have no problem in clearing him correctly.
2nd in Oxford open, 2008,
Beaten by Run At Mill and Highland Warrior 1st Champs 2008
At club level he has been beaten by Cheap Thrills and Wheal Kitty,
so, at South Cotswolds we shall have no problem in clearing him correctly.
That's when he was a puppy and at his first opens and those were top class dogs- he must be even faster now. Its being overtaken not overtaking thats been talked about.
Regardless, if you read it, nobody has mentioned "that dog" or any dog in particular except you Julia so lets try and not make this personal.
Regardless, if you read it, nobody has mentioned "that dog" or any dog in particular except you Julia so lets try and not make this personal.
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IN OVER 40YRS OF RACING i HAVE NEVER SEEN SO MANY DOGS STOP AT A BEND MEETING, OR UNABLE TO RUN A BEND.
WHO EVER THESE IDIOTS ARE CLEARING THESE DOGS SHOULD HAVE THE PRIVILAGE TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM BECAUSE IT IS BLOODY DANGEROUS AND INJURES OTHER PEOPLES DOGS.
HOW CAN YOU CLEAR DOGS PROPERLY ON A SILLY CURVE AT ONE MEETING.
DAVE BROWN
WHO EVER THESE IDIOTS ARE CLEARING THESE DOGS SHOULD HAVE THE PRIVILAGE TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM BECAUSE IT IS BLOODY DANGEROUS AND INJURES OTHER PEOPLES DOGS.
HOW CAN YOU CLEAR DOGS PROPERLY ON A SILLY CURVE AT ONE MEETING.
DAVE BROWN
Sorry everyone i didn't mean to stir things up, i really didn't, it was a genuine question and i thought that the above would of been the answer. Once again apologies, i'll PM people in the future with any questions.
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In my view it was not just a case of some of the dogs being green. I have never not been to a Champs meeting where as soon as the flag goes down the traps open straight away. On this last occasion this did not happen. The bend was very tight this time, & the lure was run too far ahead into the first bend then slowed right down, dogs almost catching it, then speeding up & slowing down yet again (second bend) & speeding up on the home straight & I believe a lot of dogs losing sight!
Our own Deadly Cocktail has been in eight Champs finals, six being bends. He is one of the most experienced bend dogs you could find, but still went to ground in his semi & final in the same place where poor Rocky went down. No green dogs in that final!
I think this is one occasion that the WCRA should of changed the bend for a straight, but this is only my opinion.
Our own Deadly Cocktail has been in eight Champs finals, six being bends. He is one of the most experienced bend dogs you could find, but still went to ground in his semi & final in the same place where poor Rocky went down. No green dogs in that final!
I think this is one occasion that the WCRA should of changed the bend for a straight, but this is only my opinion.
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Judy That's when he was a puppy and at his first opens and those were top class dogs- he must be even faster now. Its being overtaken not overtaking thats been talked about.
Regardless, if you read it, nobody has mentioned "that dog" or any dog in particular except you Julia so lets try and not make this personal.
Julia "That dog" was 20 months old at his first Champs,when he was overtaken by Run at Mill and Highland Warrior. Certainly not a puppy! How do you know he's faster now- you haven't seen him run since April 2009.
That's completly true and as we see time and time again this line comes out fast and doesn't seem to get much faster unlike other lines that mature later ......Look at the Giggs, Fuller, Jack pups .... then Billy etc ....... People forget how they raved about other litters coming out so fast ......People also forget Esthers (raced as MacArthurs Dream and kc name Kerrecs Magic Dream) first litter being as good as they were from a SHOW BRED bitch ..... Oh forgot it was lucky they never really won much ..... But lets not forget ALL the people who had WCRCh/Sp Ch/VC Graceful Chimes and her sister VC Chimes At Midnight h/c back at COTSWOLDS before they would run with them because they OUT CLASSED their dogs .... oh and they STILL beat them giving away yardage ....... This litter includeds Gambler Girl, Maida and my Miya who were ALL lightly raced ...... To go back through the Champs program and seeing OTHER litters doing faster times than these makes it all such a joke .....And to see those who Julia and Sue introduced to racing their Whippets years ago and those who wanted a pup from Julias line sit there and slag these ladies off cos hey they bred a top class litter thats out crossed and not inbred is so sad. The VC Chimes At Midnight x WCRCh/VC Guys Gwithian litter is also JUST as fast but only 1 races at open class level ..... I think that considering that was also an out cross that DNA also should be taken from this litter ....Oh hang on Jacks a racing champion EVEN with that breeding ..... Maybe just maybe people like Julia, Sue and Kim actually know what they are doing and their lines will go on longer than these inbred lot who have weak muscles etc ...... Blinkered and VERY short sighted springs to mind and long live the breeders who are willing to expand the weak gene pool and choose a line that will strengthen their lines weaker points .......I'm glad to have bred my usless line though strong they are ...... Looking forward to seeing WCRCh Constant Chimes breed on and would be VERY pleased to own one ..... Connie is so cuddly and sweet .......Of course all of the above is just my personal opinion ...Like I know owt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Though my Ruby said she'll over take him next time shes at Cots as she loves the full bend (not curve as SOME think!!!) and she's an up and coming pup who will whoop him
Regardless, if you read it, nobody has mentioned "that dog" or any dog in particular except you Julia so lets try and not make this personal.
Julia "That dog" was 20 months old at his first Champs,when he was overtaken by Run at Mill and Highland Warrior. Certainly not a puppy! How do you know he's faster now- you haven't seen him run since April 2009.
That's completly true and as we see time and time again this line comes out fast and doesn't seem to get much faster unlike other lines that mature later ......Look at the Giggs, Fuller, Jack pups .... then Billy etc ....... People forget how they raved about other litters coming out so fast ......People also forget Esthers (raced as MacArthurs Dream and kc name Kerrecs Magic Dream) first litter being as good as they were from a SHOW BRED bitch ..... Oh forgot it was lucky they never really won much ..... But lets not forget ALL the people who had WCRCh/Sp Ch/VC Graceful Chimes and her sister VC Chimes At Midnight h/c back at COTSWOLDS before they would run with them because they OUT CLASSED their dogs .... oh and they STILL beat them giving away yardage ....... This litter includeds Gambler Girl, Maida and my Miya who were ALL lightly raced ...... To go back through the Champs program and seeing OTHER litters doing faster times than these makes it all such a joke .....And to see those who Julia and Sue introduced to racing their Whippets years ago and those who wanted a pup from Julias line sit there and slag these ladies off cos hey they bred a top class litter thats out crossed and not inbred is so sad. The VC Chimes At Midnight x WCRCh/VC Guys Gwithian litter is also JUST as fast but only 1 races at open class level ..... I think that considering that was also an out cross that DNA also should be taken from this litter ....Oh hang on Jacks a racing champion EVEN with that breeding ..... Maybe just maybe people like Julia, Sue and Kim actually know what they are doing and their lines will go on longer than these inbred lot who have weak muscles etc ...... Blinkered and VERY short sighted springs to mind and long live the breeders who are willing to expand the weak gene pool and choose a line that will strengthen their lines weaker points .......I'm glad to have bred my usless line though strong they are ...... Looking forward to seeing WCRCh Constant Chimes breed on and would be VERY pleased to own one ..... Connie is so cuddly and sweet .......Of course all of the above is just my personal opinion ...Like I know owt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Though my Ruby said she'll over take him next time shes at Cots as she loves the full bend (not curve as SOME think!!!) and she's an up and coming pup who will whoop him
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Outcrossed mmmm, I think you will find a few folk agreeing with you there Hannah ;-) Kim you were referring to - would that be the Kim that said they should never have passports, and the same Kim who has told affiliated clubs they can run for Superstars and still ban these dogs from running?
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I didn't attend this meeting but, I am wondering why the bend "was very tight this time". As for the lure being run too far ahead and then speeding up and slowing down again, this sounds as if it must have been an inexperienced lure driver. Was this the case? Did anyone express their concerns about the lure driving to the racing manager?
Dave Brown commented that a lot of dogs were stopping and looked inexperienced at bend racing. I think it is irresponsible for clubs to clear dogs for bend racing unless they are confident the dogs are competent and safe on the bend.
If anyone knows how many dogs stopped it would be helpful, and then if this could be compared to previous bend meetings we would have an objective answer. I would have thought that there would be a standard template for setting up a bend but perhaps this isnt the case?
The lure driver was the same lure driver that has been at every champs that I've been to and to the best of my knowledge he is very very experienced. I did hear comments on the day about the traps being opened at the wrong time but have no idea if anyone mentioned it to the race manager.
I agree that it would be irresponsible for a club to clear a dog (bend or otherwise) that it was not 100% sure about, but again is there any evidence that this has occured? Is there any way that races could be recorded and then it wouldnt be a case of 'he said / she said' the races could be examined afterwards if needs be. (I dont know when the committee would have the time spare to do this but that may be another matter)
The lure driver was the same lure driver that has been at every champs that I've been to and to the best of my knowledge he is very very experienced. I did hear comments on the day about the traps being opened at the wrong time but have no idea if anyone mentioned it to the race manager.
I agree that it would be irresponsible for a club to clear a dog (bend or otherwise) that it was not 100% sure about, but again is there any evidence that this has occured? Is there any way that races could be recorded and then it wouldnt be a case of 'he said / she said' the races could be examined afterwards if needs be. (I dont know when the committee would have the time spare to do this but that may be another matter)
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