Do You Know Why

[Rob Rixon]

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More research by me.

Does anyone know why coursing colours were (are) Red and White in the UK? I understand they use other colours (colors) in the US. Any reference to the old days of coursing welcomed.

 

[controversial]

maybe it was the war of the roses

 

[Pennymeadow Whippets]

The judge will indicate the winners by raising the appropriate coloured handkerchief (i.e. red or white). Other colour used - blue indicates a 'bye' meaning that a dog has been withdrawn), therefore, raising a blue and red means white has been withdrawn and that red is the winner of the bye, and vice versa. Yellow means that a tie has occurred and that the dogs will have to run again later.

 

[CHRIS DOYLE]

The judge will indicate the winners by raising the appropriate coloured handkerchief (i.e. red or white). Other colour used - blue indicates a 'bye' meaning that a dog has been withdrawn), therefore, raising a blue and red means white has been withdrawn and that red is the winner of the bye, and vice versa. Yellow means that a tie has occurred and that the dogs will have to run again later.

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It is important, I think, not to mix a judges signals with the flag stewards duties. A lot of the above is applicable to the flag steward.A tie, or more particularly an undecided is signalled by the judge removing his hat. A no course is signalled by the judge waving his hand across his chest. No colour displayed. The use of colours other than red and white is for the use of the flag steward.

I think though, this is moving away from the actual substance of the question originally posed.

 

[controversial]

it probably boils down to being that those were the only two accessable colours .when coursing started as a sport.everyone was patriotic and had red blue and white . :wacko:st.georges flag red and white.at least they dont have to wear pink like the u.s :lol:

 

[Pennymeadow Whippets]

The judge will indicate the winners by raising the appropriate coloured handkerchief (i.e. red or white). Other colour used - blue indicates a 'bye' meaning that a dog has been withdrawn), therefore, raising a blue and red means white has been withdrawn and that red is the winner of the bye, and vice versa. Yellow means that a tie has occurred and that the dogs will have to run again later.

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It is important, I think, not to mix a judges signals with the flag stewards duties. A lot of the above is applicable to the flag steward.A tie, or more particularly an undecided is signalled by the judge removing his hat. A no course is signalled by the judge waving his hand across his chest. No colour displayed. The use of colours other than red and white is for the use of the flag steward.

I think though, this is moving away from the actual substance of the question originally posed.

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It matters not who shows the colour the question was why are the colours used.

Lampy if with your vast coursing experiance you can give a better answer then do so but do so without being smart

 

[CHRIS DOYLE]

The judge will indicate the winners by raising the appropriate coloured handkerchief (i.e. red or white). Other colour used - blue indicates a 'bye' meaning that a dog has been withdrawn), therefore, raising a blue and red means white has been withdrawn and that red is the winner of the bye, and vice versa. Yellow means that a tie has occurred and that the dogs will have to run again later.

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It is important, I think, not to mix a judges signals with the flag stewards duties. A lot of the above is applicable to the flag steward.A tie, or more particularly an undecided is signalled by the judge removing his hat. A no course is signalled by the judge waving his hand across his chest. No colour displayed. The use of colours other than red and white is for the use of the flag steward.

I think though, this is moving away from the actual substance of the question originally posed.

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Hi Jeff. Good to here from you as ever. Now, if being correct and factual is to be smart then smart I clearly am. Best of luck to all next Sunday :thumbsup:

It matters not who shows the colour the question was why are the colours used.

Lampy if with your vast coursing experiance you can give a better answer then do so but do so without being smart

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[CHRIS DOYLE]

Don't know what happened to my last post,clearly operator error I'll try again.

Hello Jeff. Good to hear from you as ever. If, to be correct and factual is to be smart, then clearly I am smart. Vast experience umm. A relative term. You do not however need to be smart or have V.E to access the National Coursing Club web page for definitions, as I did. Marvellous aid this internet. It might even catch on . Best of luck to everyone for a week on Sunday. Best wishes as ever. LAMPY :thumbsup: :cheers:

 

[Rob Rixon]

I know that in 'the old days' on the Track the 1 dog was red, 2 dog white, 3 dog blue, 4 dog yellow etc

But as Coursing came before racing the Coursing colours would (maybe) transfered to the track. Racing to a lure started near London and the City coat of arms is based on the St George's Cross - but I'm not sure if this is the reason for using Red and White.

Wine is either Red or White - is this a RED Herring! :b

 

[controversial]

hare coursing really took off during the tudors ,especiallyhenry8& elizabeth1.they built courses in many parks windsor,epping ,runnymede etc.they were also the first to build grandstands to watch from a height.a wager between henry and duke of norfolk was run .as the dogs may have been deerhounds a distinguishing had to be made.henrys garter was white and the dukes red was suppodesly used.they also used greyhounds.they made it against the law to hunt in the parks if you were caught after dark the punishment was death :nuke:

 

[CHRIS DOYLE]

hare coursing really took off during the tudors ,especiallyhenry8& elizabeth1.they built courses in many parks windsor,epping ,runnymede etc.they were also the first to build grandstands to watch from a height.a wager between henry and duke of norfolk was run .as the dogs may have been deerhounds a distinguishing had to be made.henrys garter was white and the dukes red was suppodesly used.they also used greyhounds.they made it against the law to hunt in the parks if you  were caught after dark the punishment was death :nuke:

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Well done Graham :thumbsup: Is that therefore the origin of the red /white or does it go further back?

 

[controversial]

believe this could be the source .they were the first to build purpose courses for the sport .there is one grand stand still up in epping forest.did you get on youtube.

 

[CHRIS DOYLE]

believe this could be the source .they were the first to build purpose courses for the sport .there is one grand stand still up in epping forest.did you get on youtube.

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Not yet. Will do this evening :thumbsup:

 

[Strike Whippets]

hare coursing really took off during the tudors ,especiallyhenry8& elizabeth1.they built courses in many parks windsor,epping ,runnymede etc.they were also the first to build grandstands to watch from a height.a wager between henry and duke of norfolk was run .as the dogs may have been deerhounds a distinguishing had to be made.henrys garter was white and the dukes red was suppodesly used.they also used greyhounds.they made it against the law to hunt in the parks if you  were caught after dark the punishment was death :nuke:

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Sounds about right to me ....Loved this period of history at school

 

[BeeJay]

hare coursing really took off during the tudors ,especiallyhenry8& elizabeth1.they built courses in many parks windsor,epping ,runnymede etc.they were also the first to build grandstands to watch from a height.a wager between henry and duke of norfolk was run .as the dogs may have been deerhounds a distinguishing had to be made.henrys garter was white and the dukes red was suppodesly used.they also used greyhounds.they made it against the law to hunt in the parks if you  were caught after dark the punishment was death :nuke:

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'tis why Lodge Park in Gloucestershire was built. It's an amazing building owned by the National Trust. The nobility used to feast upstairs and then they could go out on the roof to watch the deer being coursed by the deerhounds the kill being made in front of the lodge. A sort of ceremonial slaughtering for the pleasure of the nobility as the deer of course had to be present (captive released) for the 'sport'.

There is a deerhound gathering every year at Lodge Park where they lure course (straight line). Well unless the deerhounds get the smell from the food trailers and then some of 'em deviate. :b The 'course' isn't as long these days. Summat to do with the A40 I think (could be wrong though).

 

[controversial]

it was there favorate passtime .every noble had one to keep in favour with the tudors.some were built and never used.at least it saved your head :lol:

 

[Rob Rixon]

A big thanks for all the info!! But I need a reference to the info.

Anything written?

 

[controversial]

you just have to trawl thru google and be lucky.saw it on something on the history channel :lol: about the tudors.