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Does anyone know how to tell if a whippet' puppies ears will stand up (like a german shepherds) rather than staying neatly folded? Is there a way to encourage them to stay down ?

thankyou in advance

Elizabeth

 

[Karen]

I dont think there is any 100% way of telling if they are going to be erect as an adult. Look at the sire and dam, have they got good ears? Puppies ears can be very mobile for quite some time, 2 years. Even those tiny little ears as a 10 week puppy can become sticky up.

I think the problem is as well, good handlers can disguise bad ears so its quite hard to tell. I would sneak around the benches to check a potenial sires ears but dont tell anyone. 8)

You can train a Whippet puppy to keep its ears down ( just offer food, if the ears go up just VERY gently flatten ears and if they stay down for a second give the treat) but they then seem to lay back along the neck like horns (w00t) . You must be so gentle and calm when you are doing this because you will make your puppy head shy otherwise.

Dont let anyone tell you to stick them together with glue, I know this happens and I think its a horrible thing to do.

 

[Seraphina]

Does anyone know how to tell if a whippet' puppies ears will stand up (like a german shepherds) rather than staying neatly folded? Is there a way to encourage them to stay down ?thankyou in advance

Elizabeth

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When pups are cutting their teeth their ears stand up. Even my Borzois used to have GSD ears during this time. It could be a problem with a Whippet, but you just have to wait and see. Interestingly friend of mine who breeds GSD always complained that her pups ears plonk down when they are teething (w00t)

Their teeth are all through by about 8 months (or so i was told). :luck:

 

[sweal]

Thankyou Karen and Seraphina. I'll be patient and might try the food treats, i hadn't considered glueing but it sounds awful. Both her parents have lovely ears.

Elizabeth

 

[aslan]

Is she teething right now? If so I wouldn't do any kind of training to keep them down just yet ... could be that they will come good of their own accord once the teeth settle down, and you don't want her to have her ears permanently down if they turn out to be good - you will want her to express them in the ring and normally one would use food to do this - so it would be difficult to "untrain" what she'd learned if you'd taught her to keep them down.

 

[sweal]

Thankyou Lana

I haven't started training the ears yet and yes she is teething now so I will just wait and see. She is very cute anyway whatever her ears do. I wouldn't want to do anything to stop her natural expression. I think she just puts her ears up more than her mum did and so I was worried ( uneccessarily I suspect) :b

Elizabeth

 

[05whippet]

Agree with Lana puppies ears do all sorts when they are teething (w00t)

And if parents and back history have good ears I would'nt worry too much,they will in most cases come right once the teeth are all thru

 

[bertie]

You we find that if the puppy has 'strong' ears no amount of training will get them to sit 100%. If the ears seem thicker to the touch then it is very unlikely that they will ever form the rose shape. A good test of this is to squeak, the ears fly up like a GSD or come forward still in a rose shape. The problem will get a little better after the back teeth have settled.

At the end of the day its only one fault and a whippet dont run on its lugs. as the pups gets older and more used to showing it wont prick them up as much in the ring at every little sound.

 

[05whippet]

I was told this too about "strong thick ears" but I found it was'nt so, everyone told us that if they were thicker than average they would stay up if they had gone up whilst teething but they did'nt they came right ,our bloodlines are mostly continental and they are fanatical about ears especially the Americans our litter all had terrier ears, one up or both up at some stage thru teething but they DID settle

and now we bait them to get them to use their ears as they have great ears.

I would be inclined not to panic until after teething is over but this is just my opinion.

 

[lalena]

i've heard of ear glueing :blink: and have to say, WHY?! oh, yes, the pups ears will grow into perfect roses, it doesnt harm them in any way, but its ridiculous. breeders doing this are duping buyers, as, though its ears look fine and it may well win shows, what of the next generation? i've heard of pups being brought back for lesser faults, so if you've unknowingly bought a glued ear pup and later breed from it, you may end up with a litter of pups with folded or even pricked ears. a novice breeder wouldnt realise this fact, and would in turn sell on the pups in good faith, resulting in grief from those who purchased a pup with intent to show.

as i'm looking to show, i've looked into a lot of things, and i'm amazed at how much cheating happens! its awful. i've heard of putting vaseline on the nose to make the dog look healthier. on black dogs whose fur is a bit patchy, use black felt tip or mascara to make it looker thicker. where a dog has a white toenail without there being white fur present, dito with felt tip.

personally, i think something as trivial as colour faults dont matter, and shouldnt be penalised, unless there are known health risks linked to them. to my mind, its the temperament, conformation and health that should be judged.

the only thing wrong with ears that arent rose, is that, as the inside isnt as protected, mites, dirt and infections are more common.

i'm sure it is just his stage of developement, so dont worry

 

[JAX]

i've heard of ear glueing  :blink: and have to say, WHY?! oh, yes, the pups ears will grow into perfect roses, it doesnt harm them in any way, but its ridiculous. breeders doing this are duping buyers, as, though its ears look fine and it may well win shows, what of the next generation? i've heard of pups being brought back for lesser faults, so if you've unknowingly bought a glued ear pup and later breed from it, you may end up with a litter of pups with folded or even pricked ears. a novice breeder wouldnt realise this fact, and would in turn sell on the pups in good faith, resulting in grief from those who purchased a pup with intent to show.as i'm looking to show, i've looked into a lot of things, and i'm amazed at how much cheating happens! its awful. i've heard of putting vaseline on the nose to make the dog look healthier. on black dogs whose fur is a bit patchy, use black felt tip or mascara to make it looker thicker. where a dog has a white toenail without there being white fur present, dito with felt tip.

personally, i think something as trivial as colour faults dont matter, and shouldnt be penalised, unless there are known health risks linked to them. to my mind, its the temperament, conformation and health that should be judged.

the only thing wrong with ears that arent rose, is that, as the inside isnt as protected, mites, dirt and infections are more common.

i'm sure it is just his stage of developement, so dont worry

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We dont have colour faults :- " ANY COLOUR OR MIXTURE OF COLOURS o

 

[dessie]

as i'm looking to show, i've looked into a lot of things, and i'm amazed at how much cheating happens! its awful.

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Gosh I must have been going around with my eyes and ears shut for the last considerably few years then, especially in Whippets!!

I think you would know if you had bought a puppy with glued down ears .......... cos they would be glued down!!! I've seen clever trimming in the gundogs and,many years ago, I have seen a Wire Fox Terrier change from being Tan & White into Black, white and tan and I have seen 'clever handling' in Whippets but CHEATING??? (w00t) .......................

What exactly do you mean Lalena and come on the rest of you showies, let me into your secrets on cheating!!!! And those of you who judge .......... do you penalise funny colours/markings??? I don't think so.

 

[lalena]

as i'm looking to show, i've looked into a lot of things, and i'm amazed at how much cheating happens! its awful.

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Gosh I must have been going around with my eyes and ears shut for the last considerably few years then, especially in Whippets!!

I think you would know if you had bought a puppy with glued down ears .......... cos they would be glued down!!! I've seen clever trimming in the gundogs and,many years ago, I have seen a Wire Fox Terrier change from being Tan & White into Black, white and tan and I have seen 'clever handling' in Whippets but CHEATING??? (w00t) .......................

What exactly do you mean Lalena and come on the rest of you showies, let me into your secrets on cheating!!!! And those of you who judge .......... do you penalise funny colours/markings??? I don't think so.

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as to colour faults, with staffords liver is bad, black-and-tan is VERY bad,as are tri-colours, white nails without white fur is penalised, as are pink eye rims with no white fur. two-tone, 'butterfly',noses are undesirable.

for the mascara, an aquaintance of the owners of the stud we used was saying to them that her dog was too patchy, and that she didnt think she could get away with using mascara as the judge was sure to notice ( :blink: )

one of the ladies who bought one of my pups told me about her other dog: when she bought him, she noticed these funny flaky bits around his ears. she phoned up his breeder and was informed that 'not to worry, its just the last of the glue coming off'

the vaseline on the nose is just to make it look wet, increasing the overall look of health.

i have to say that i find the whole lot vile. it is cheating, as steps are taken to improve the odds of winning, much like giving stimulants to racing animals. by doing either, you could be harming the whole breed. winners are used more as studs. if these dogs are incapable of winning WITHOUT human intervention, are they really good sires? they could be passing bad traits to their offspring etc etc. these frauds also boast about winners their dogs have sired. as 'good' studs generally get better quality bitches coming to them, the truth is likelier to be that their '1st class stud' had less to do with the pups winning performance, rather that the good traits are from THE DAMS side.

theres a dog doing the staffy show rounds that is the all time greatest winner. nice looking chap. funnily enough, his owner is a judge. who is hated across the board for certain dubious practices. this dog has sired hundreds of pups, regardless of the breeding lines involved. anybody with £300 can use him. including a few non peds, according to epupz and the like. with such indescriminate breeding, how many offspring do you think do well in showing? at last count.... 0. certainly makes me wonder.

 

[dessie]

Glad I'm not in Staffies!!! But I don't think you can tar everybody with the same brush!! Showing can be exasperating but you either hack it or you don't really.

 

[05whippet]

I don't know much about all this as I'm not that long in the showing side of Whippets. But I do know one thing,our breed is'nt very easy to disguise :- "

I think what you see is what you get with a Whippet :thumbsup: unless of course anyone out there can advise me differently :- " I certainly do not know of any "cheats" that can be used on them :teehee:

 

[JAX]

as i'm looking to show, i've looked into a lot of things, and i'm amazed at how much cheating happens! its awful.

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Gosh I must have been going around with my eyes and ears shut for the last considerably few years then, especially in Whippets!!

I think you would know if you had bought a puppy with glued down ears .......... cos they would be glued down!!! I've seen clever trimming in the gundogs and,many years ago, I have seen a Wire Fox Terrier change from being Tan & White into Black, white and tan and I have seen 'clever handling' in Whippets but CHEATING??? (w00t) .......................

What exactly do you mean Lalena and come on the rest of you showies, let me into your secrets on cheating!!!! And those of you who judge .......... do you penalise funny colours/markings??? I don't think so.

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as to colour faults, with staffords liver is bad, black-and-tan is VERY bad,as are tri-colours, white nails without white fur is penalised, as are pink eye rims with no white fur. two-tone, 'butterfly',noses are undesirable.

for the mascara, an aquaintance of the owners of the stud we used was saying to them that her dog was too patchy, and that she didnt think she could get away with using mascara as the judge was sure to notice ( :blink: )

one of the ladies who bought one of my pups told me about her other dog: when she bought him, she noticed these funny flaky bits around his ears. she phoned up his breeder and was informed that 'not to worry, its just the last of the glue coming off'

the vaseline on the nose is just to make it look wet, increasing the overall look of health.i have to say that i find the whole lot vile. it is cheating, as steps are taken to improve the odds of winning, much like giving stimulants to racing animals. by doing either, you could be harming the whole breed. winners are used more as studs. if these dogs are incapable of winning WITHOUT human intervention, are they really good sires? they could be passing bad traits to their offspring etc etc. these frauds also boast about winners their dogs have sired. as 'good' studs generally get better quality bitches coming to them, the truth is likelier to be that their '1st class stud' had less to do with the pups winning performance, rather that the good traits are from THE DAMS side.

theres a dog doing the staffy show rounds that is the all time greatest winner. nice looking chap. funnily enough, his owner is a judge. who is hated across the board for certain dubious practices. this dog has sired hundreds of pups, regardless of the breeding lines involved. anybody with £300 can use him. including a few non peds, according to epupz and the like. with such indescriminate breeding, how many offspring do you think do well in showing? at last count.... 0. certainly makes me wonder.

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the vaseline on the nose is just to make it look wet, increasing the overall look of health.

Never heard of a dog winning its class because it `looked healthy`

Although I have seen dogs win who looked grubby , with yellow stained hocks and feet etc :rant: . Now that really annoys me , I think presentation is very important , after all it is dog `showing ` , plus I dont thikn it shows much respect for the judge either to present them with a stained , grubby looking dog . buts thats just me :wacko: