Greyhound X Whippets

[RealMadYid]

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just give up me dog for a few days mating with a small whippet bitch, but I see the vogue now is greyhound x whippet...I hope the smaller dogs are just as popular... -_- -_- -_-

 

[Paws123]

good luck with his mating

 

[Fleesh]

I have 5/8 greyhound bitch, a 7/8 dog would have given me 3/4 pups which I believe would have been an ideal example of how 7/8 stud dogs/brood bitches can be 'integrated' into the smaller whippet breed.

As it was I chose a dog that has very little greyhound in his breeding essentially giving me 1/4 greyhound pups (ish).

I can see it as a sometimes sensible choice for a very small stud dog to be put to a greyhound. It is generally accepted that dogs in a litter are bigger than bitches sometimes there's a danger (IMO) that small dogs i.e 16-19lb especially from lines that are known for producing most dogs/bitches under 20lb could quite possibly produce very small pups to say bitches under 21lb. A 17lb dog might be a blessing if it has the right qualities but its 13/15lb litter sisters would not be very well recieved. Therefore why not take the bloodines of a small stud dog and by putting them through a greyhound bitch increase the chances of the lines producing larger pups in the future allowing the lines to be used by owners of small bitches without the worry of potentially producing underweight pups.

Hope that made sense :blink:

 

[Fleesh]

Clear as mud Elise, good job it's you that picks the stud dogs and not me.

Mum x

 

[DavidH]

SHOULD THERE NOT BE SOME SORT OF GENTLEMANS AGREEMENT, TO JUST GO FIRST CROSS WHIPPET GREYHOUND AND WHIPPET FOR 2 OR 3 GENERATIONS ON TO KEEP THE SIZE DOWN.ALL OUR DOGS HAVE GREYHOUND IN THEM IF YOU GO BACK.JUST SEEMS THAT THE SCRATCH DOGS ARE GETTING BIGGER.CAN THEY BE CALLED WHIPPETS .IF THEY ARE 7/8 TH GREYHOUND???????????????

 

[ahorsnall]

SHOULD THERE NOT BE SOME SORT OF GENTLEMANS AGREEMENT, TO JUST GO FIRST CROSS WHIPPET GREYHOUND AND WHIPPET FOR 2 OR 3 GENERATIONS ON TO KEEP THE SIZE DOWN.ALL OUR DOGS HAVE GREYHOUND IN THEM IF YOU GO BACK.JUST SEEMS THAT THE SCRATCH DOGS ARE GETTING BIGGER.CAN THEY BE CALLED WHIPPETS .IF THEY ARE 7/8 TH GREYHOUND???????????????

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NO IMO BUT I DONT RACE SCRATCH SO I DONT MIND IF THATS WHAT THEY WANT THATS FINE :thumbsup:

 

[herby]

ok id like to pose a maths question here. if its answered correct it would sort out a big debate thats going on in the lurcher forum.and by the looks of it other places too.

this is a theoretical example of a pedigree. on it ive marked x and o.

the xs are pure greyhounds and the os are whippet greyhounds . what percentage or even as a fraction would this puppy be ?

lookward to the result

basil baffled :blink:

 

[ahorsnall]

87.5per cent ghd :thumbsup:

 

[herby]

82.5per cent ghd :thumbsup:

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what !!!? . help me here how do you work that out...its nearly all greyhound and what isnt greyhound is whippet greyhound ? parents alone give 75%.

 

[ahorsnall]

87.5per cent ghd :thumbsup:

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sorry thought the o:s was whippet illredew

 

[ahorsnall]

its 93 .75 per cent

 

[Tony Taylor]

There is independant assortment of chromatids during meiosis and this ( coupled with the crossover of alleles between chromatids ) means you have more chance of winning the lottery than producing a dog that is 15/16ths or 93.75% anything.

Whippets and ghds have well over 99% commonality between their genetic material so by the time you get to 7/8 random probability would make any progeny likely indistinguishable geneticaly from a ghd.

Any racing discipline will favour a particular type of dog; On the bend tracks the fastest dogs will be ghds. There is no difference in the discipline or "rules" between No Limit whippet racing and ghd racing so it's no real suprise the same type of dog is entered in both.

Lurchers aren't race dogs so as soon as you start racing them you'll run into people using non ped whippets and ghds and again it's no suprise who does the winning.

 

[ahorsnall]

There is independant assortment of chromatids during meiosis and this ( coupled with the crossover of alleles between chromatids ) means you have  more chance of winning the lottery than producing a dog that is 15/16ths or 93.75% anything.
Whippets and ghds have well over 99% commonality between their genetic material so by the time you get to 7/8 random probability would make any progeny likely indistinguishable geneticaly from a ghd.

Any racing discipline will favour a particular type of dog; On the bend tracks the fastest dogs will be ghds. There is no difference in the discipline or "rules" between No Limit whippet racing and ghd racing so it's no real suprise the same type of dog is entered in both.

Lurchers aren't race dogs so as soon as you start racing them you'll run into people using non ped whippets and ghds and again it's no suprise who does the winning.

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so in english you mean what i think its a greyhound what once walked past a whippet :thumbsup:

 

[milly]

SHOULD THERE NOT BE SOME SORT OF GENTLEMANS AGREEMENT, TO JUST GO FIRST CROSS WHIPPET GREYHOUND AND WHIPPET FOR 2 OR 3 GENERATIONS ON TO KEEP THE SIZE DOWN.ALL OUR DOGS HAVE GREYHOUND IN THEM IF YOU GO BACK.JUST SEEMS THAT THE SCRATCH DOGS ARE GETTING BIGGER.CAN THEY BE CALLED WHIPPETS .IF THEY ARE 7/8 TH GREYHOUND???????????????

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Good point David, but if your hypothesis backfires and it produces a yard a lb er, can they be called whippets? :- "

 

[GRAHAM PEM]

There is independant assortment of chromatids during meiosis and this ( coupled with the crossover of alleles between chromatids ) means you have  more chance of winning the lottery than producing a dog that is 15/16ths or 93.75% anything.
Whippets and ghds have well over 99% commonality between their genetic material so by the time you get to 7/8 random probability would make any progeny likely indistinguishable geneticaly from a ghd.

Any racing discipline will favour a particular type of dog; On the bend tracks the fastest dogs will be ghds. There is no difference in the discipline or "rules" between No Limit whippet racing and ghd racing so it's no real suprise the same type of dog is entered in both.

Lurchers aren't race dogs so as soon as you start racing them you'll run into people using non ped whippets and ghds and again it's no suprise who does the winning.

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[milly]

Lurchers aren't race dogs so as soon as you start racing them you'll run into people using non ped whippets and ghds and again it's no suprise who does the winning.

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Not everytime Tony, back in 1986/87 I had a collie x greyhound that could beat most non peds she came up against on the lurcher racing circuit. Also I can remember beating a non ped called BA at a evening bend meeting at Highgate track back in 87 with the same bitch :- "

 

[milly]

SHOULD THERE NOT BE SOME SORT OF GENTLEMANS AGREEMENT, TO JUST GO FIRST CROSS WHIPPET GREYHOUND AND WHIPPET FOR 2 OR 3 GENERATIONS ON TO KEEP THE SIZE DOWN.ALL OUR DOGS HAVE GREYHOUND IN THEM IF YOU GO BACK.JUST SEEMS THAT THE SCRATCH DOGS ARE GETTING BIGGER.CAN THEY BE CALLED WHIPPETS .IF THEY ARE 7/8 TH GREYHOUND???????????????

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Good point David, but if your hypothesis backfires and it produces a yard a lb er, can they be called whippets? :- "

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Looks like our Jacks litter to your tasting then :lol:

 

[DavidH]

looks like a debate for the scratch boys, they know what they looking for in the long run :wacko: geff seems well up with the breeding .could be interesting reading not a lot of that on here at the moment.

very very good point mazi moo 25 . nothing wrong with our jack i like to see heavy weights used as stud.

 

[sherry]

just give up me dog for a few days mating with a small whippet bitch, but I see the vogue now is greyhound x whippet...I hope the smaller dogs are just as popular... -_-   -_-   -_-

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is this a question? ie r the smaller dogs just as popular? IMO yes of course they are. I myself have a 21/22lber and a no limit. I have to say i personally prefer scratch racing but a LOT of people prefer yards for pounds. put it this way NOBODY knows wot size a pup is going to go if i wamted a scratch dog ( which i did) id go to ghd x whippet if i wanted a yds for 1lbs i go 2 a whippet x whippet but regardless of wot size they went to id keep them & race them.

 

[sherry]

looks like a debate for the scratch boys, they know what they looking for in the long run :wacko: geff seems well up with the breeding .could be interesting reading not a lot of that on here at the moment.very very good point mazi moo 25 . nothing wrong with our jack i like to see heavy weights used as stud.

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ahem i hope that was a misprint david h DEBATE FOR THE SCRATCH BOYS did u mean to say for the SCRATCH RACERS? lol :- "