Greyhound X Whippets

[Julie D]

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stunning dog geoff!!!!  :thumbsup: bet he was an above average pot filler!!!  :thumbsup:

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She was a good lamping bitch :thumbsup: and liked a run on a charlie

I'd got more wind in my sale then :lol:

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sorry didnt read he was in fact a she :b still pure class by the look of her :thumbsup:

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Class photo Geoff.....but hey wots up with the soot over your face.....just up from the coal mines or an audition for oliver twist :teehee:

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Is that the original Sooty Sam ?

 

[milly]

stunning dog geoff!!!!  :thumbsup: bet he was an above average pot filler!!!  :thumbsup:

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She was a good lamping bitch :thumbsup: and liked a run on a charlie

I'd got more wind in my sale then :lol:

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sorry didnt read he was in fact a she :b still pure class by the look of her :thumbsup:

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Class photo Geoff.....but hey wots up with the soot over your face.....just up from the coal mines or an audition for oliver twist :teehee:

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Is that the original Sooty Sam ?

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No, dial a rod :lol:

 

[DavidH]

wish i could find a sheep dog that was as fast as penny that fast :thumbsup:

 

[weathergirls]

Agree totally the Kennel Club had no involvement in their creation whatsoever. In my opinion all they did was fix the breed to a type by restriction in breeding and I feel they're now an entirely different dog altogether. To me the term whippet is the same as lurcher and terrier, it refers to a type of dog not a specific breed as whippets we're never created to be a set type physically. If anything non-ped whippets are more true to type than pedigrees because they are sticking to the agenda they were originally bred for ie sprint racing. The addition of terrier to add muscle and greyhound to give speed where always ingrediants of the whippet, the muscle from terriers does seem to be retained within non-peds probably due to the gene that some of those dogs carry that occasionally appears as a bully whippet. The greyhound gene I believe has a need to be reintroduced not just for speed but also for size and that's why we have to keep referring back to it, not only that but they're gene pool is so vast and of such a higher calibre in comparison to our own. Say what you will about dogs of the past, as far as I'm concerned non-ped whippets as a whole are getting faster, it's meerly a process of succesful evolution. Referring back to greyhounds on occasion facilitates this because they too are improving all the while.

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couldn't agree more Jac if you go back in history the whippet was bred down from greyhound, iggy, staffy etc, one of my show bred whippets I bought in 1980 wouldn't have stood a chance in the ring he weighed in at 36lb at 21 inches both his parents were ch's as were his grandparents

 

[milly]

Agree totally the Kennel Club had no involvement in their creation whatsoever. In my opinion all they did was fix the breed to a type by restriction in breeding and I feel they're now an entirely different dog altogether. To me the term whippet is the same as lurcher and terrier, it refers to a type of dog not a specific breed as whippets we're never created to be a set type physically. If anything non-ped whippets are more true to type than pedigrees because they are sticking to the agenda they were originally bred for ie sprint racing. The addition of terrier to add muscle and greyhound to give speed where always ingrediants of the whippet, the muscle from terriers does seem to be retained within non-peds probably due to the gene that some of those dogs carry that occasionally appears as a bully whippet. The greyhound gene I believe has a need to be reintroduced not just for speed but also for size and that's why we have to keep referring back to it, not only that but they're gene pool is so vast and of such a higher calibre in comparison to our own. Say what you will about dogs of the past, as far as I'm concerned non-ped whippets as a whole are getting faster, it's meerly a process of succesful evolution. Referring back to greyhounds on occasion facilitates this because they too are improving all the while.

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couldn't agree more Jac if you go back in history the whippet was bred down from greyhound, iggy, staffy etc, one of my show bred whippets I bought in 1980 wouldn't have stood a chance in the ring he weighed in at 36lb at 21 inches both his parents were ch's as were his grandparents

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Know where your coming from on that Linda, I bought a ped whippet from a breeder in the 60s off Dr Hughes from Bolsover, that turned out to be 22" and about 36lb ish. I think the breeding was Laguna.

 

[jade scott]

I also had two Laguna dogs BOTH DOGS bred from Mrs mc'kay's Laguna LILLYWHITE A WELL USED STUD DOG IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES, HE WEIGHED 26 lB ONE WEIGHED 17LB THE OTHER 30, AND THIER WAS ONE THAT WENT TO BIG TO SHOW OR RACE. aND THIS WAS THE BEST OF THE PEDDIGREE SHOW AND COURSING WORLD AT THE TIME. SO YOU CAN SEE EVEN PEDS GET IT WRONG

This is Peter posting as Jade at that time was along way in the future.

 

[Tony Taylor]

Our Sally was out of a 3/4 greyhound 1/4 collie x a first x collie greyhound.

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In that case Sally could potentially have been geneticaly a pure bred ghd. Not likely but possible, as I said above there is independant assortment of chromatids during meiosis. It doesn't take long to breed out a characteristic you don't want.

btw Pennysworth and Sugar Daddy both have collie in their breeding

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Here she is Tony,5/8 greyhound in my reckoning :- "

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Well she looks like lurcher to me and fine one at that.

I'm not entirely sure that going back 30yrs to find a lurcher that could beat a non ped whippet (one I don't know of and can't find in the database). is an accurate reflection of the relative merits of lurchers v ghds or non peds in racing. We've both seen lurchers run at bend clubs and I can't recall one ever running an open class time nor have I seen one beat a non ped in recent times.

As for being 5/8ths : I understand your reckoning but the chances of it being 5/8ths geniticaly are slim to none. And slim has left the building

 

[mutley]

my point was that without greyhounds we wouldnt have non ped whippets

 

[john m]

Greyhounds were an obvious choice to breed into whippets for extra speed and stamina and no doubt that if E-type jags were able to mate with whippets they also would have been used. The results may be not what some people would like but if you get what is seen in the improvements of the breed then it should be ok, for the majority. :cheers:

 

[mutley]

i know what your saying john :thumbsup: but what i mean is would we have non ped racers without greyhounds :- " can anyone say where the non ped whippets originated from theres a few theories so it should be interesting