Inflammatory Bowel Disease

[Sirlurcherlot]

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My lurcher who's about 2-3 yrs old has just been diagnosed with IBD, does anyone else's dog suffer from this?

My vet is excellent, but I'm just trying to gather more information on how they tend to do, and what problems they tend to develop.

 

[gutsey]

sorry to hear it mate found this while mooching hope its helpful. :luck:

http://www.petcaretips.net/inflammatory_bowel_disease.html

 

[Sirlurcherlot]

Thanks for the link, anything is helpful at this stage!!

 

[Seraphina]

Just the other day I have read that incidents of infammatory bowl diseases in humans have increased dramatically, and are expected to rise by another 20% by 2020 (or something like that). I have also heard about more and more cases in dogs. I think looking at diet would be definitely step in the right direction. :luck: :luck: :luck:

 

[Sirlurcherlot]

Yes you're right about the diet, at the moment he's on hills i/d prescription diet and it's costing £4.50 a day to feed him. (w00t)

Luckily he's insured, but the limit is £200 for food, and that will soon be gone.

 

[whippetsrus]

My husband suffers from Crohns Disease which is a form of IBD. Diet for him is particularly important. I would imagine it is very much the same for dogs too. If you find something that works for your dog my rcommendation would be to stick with it. Whilst it might sound expensive I think long term that it could possibly work out cheaper than repeated vets bills for flare ups and would cause less discomfort for your dog.

IBD is becomming increasingly common in dogs now as well. IBD stands for inflammatory bowl disease. If you can imagine your dogs intestines these will be swollen and tender and it is possible that there might be some infected areas as well. The food that he/she has been given is low residue. It will give your dog the nutrition it needs but give his/her gut the chance to settle down.

The prescription food is expensive but if your dog does have to stay on this it can be purchased cheaper on the internet and you do not need a prescription from your vet to obtain this.

It has very recently been discovered that there is a genetic link in humans for people with crohns disease and they are expecting some breakthroughs in the next twelve months or so.

I hope this has been of help. If I can be of further help do pm me. I will be of any assistance that I can. IBD is not a pleasant disease to have, but kept under control it is possible to carry on life as normal.

Best wishes to you both

Jackie

 

[Evie]

I have heard of dogs with IBD improving lots with raw feeding. But I have no personal experiance with this. Maybe worth looking into?

 

[whippetsrus]

I have heard of dogs with IBD improving lots with raw feeding.  But I have no personal experiance with this.  Maybe worth looking into?

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Worth looking into but would discuss this with your vet first.

 

[Sirlurcherlot]

First I'd like to say that my vet is fabulous,and I trust her to guide me completely as she is a specialist in this area, and although I did mention food it's not my primary concern, although if he stays on this it will cost about £1700 a year to feed him. (w00t)

I sympathise we whippetsrus OH, as Crohn's is a horrible disease.

I'm just trying to gather as much info as possible about things that people with IBD dogs will have experience of, basically how they manage their dogs illness in general and how the dogs are in themselves.

Evie, I think I have the only lurcher in the world that won't, and never has entertained any form of raw feeding, be it meat, bones, or best steak. :b

Forgot to say, thank you for taking the time to reply.

 

[neave]

i suffer from IBS and my mother has Crohn's Diease you can control it with a good healthy diet its not a nice thing to have so you have my symp good luck

 

[Sirlurcherlot]

Thanks for your reply, I can only empathise with you, they're both horrible diseases, and

can be difficult to live with.

 

[masta]

hi out of interest what was you feeding prior to the IBS

 

[kita]

In last weeks Dog World paper in Living with Dogs by Jane Lilley someone had a Vizsla who had lots of upset tummies and was not putting on weight. She had tried everything to no avail.

She tried giving Manuka honey combined with live yoghurt, given at least half an hour before every meal. She added a tablespoon warmed up to six tablespoons of live yoghurt. She was able to gradually reduce the honey dosage down to twice week.

The dog has now put on weight and has just qualified for Crufts.

It might be worth a try, the honey and yoghurt will provide a lining in the stomach and gut and help the passage of the food - it cannot do any harm!!

I know the Manuka honey can be expensive, but you can get it in most supermarkets now (it is far superior to normal honey). It is supposed to have lots of healing properties.

Hope your dog is feeling better soon.

 

[masta]

turkey, ground rice, liver, dried whole egg, potato starch, ground maize, Fibrim® 1260 (soluble fibre source), iron oxide, dicalcium phosphate, digest, potassium chloride, caramel, iodised salt, taurine, vitamins and trace elements.

the ingredients of hills id diet doesnt look like it would be hard to replicate

 

[masta]

manuka honey £14.00 a jar (w00t)

 

[Sirlurcherlot]

hi out of interest what was you feeding prior to the IBS

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He was being fed on a local shops own brand dry working dog food, fresh cooked meat from a farm shop, and pilchards prior to the IBD.

The Hill's diet sounds absolutely foul doesn't it?

Hopefully, once he's well enough we may be able to try him on a commercial dog food, the vet has suggested a few which have been ok for IBD dogs before. However at the moment we'll have to stick with the Hills as any change may set him back, he's still unwell and in pain so I want him to settle quickly without jeopordising anything. He's still being fed 6-7 times a day at the mo, just to give his gut a chance.

Once he's improved and we start to add things to his diet I'll look into the manuka honey, and also probably give him slippery elm which he's had in the past. I'll run anything by the vet first though.

 

[Seraphina]

I am not sure if you are aware of the huge scandal in the USA re- contaminated pets food. Large number of brands has been recalled (some of Hills varieties included) as they contained toxic substance melamine plus some other chemicals. These seem to be deliberately added to the ingredients from China. There is still a controversy, as the amount of melamine found was not high enough to cause the sudden deaths. It should have just given them cancer after while.

I would not give any processed food to a sick dog, actually I do not give much even to the healthy ones nowadays.

If I had a dog with IBD, I would cook some chicken carcasses and legs, remove bones, skim all the fat and freeze in daily portions. I would cook white rice daily as it can grow bacteria if stored. Do not strain the rice, boil the it until very soft and gluggy, and the liquid is thick, mix it with the chicken broth and add some probiotic yogurt. That is a standard food for dog with upset tummy. If all is well on this diet, you can included some veg, like sweet potatoes, potatoes and carrots, boiled till very soft and mashed.

 

[whippetsrus]

I am not sure if you are aware of the huge scandal in the USA re- contaminated pets food.  Large number of brands has been recalled (some of Hills varieties included) as they contained toxic substance melamine plus some other chemicals.  These seem to be deliberately added to the ingredients from China.  There is still a controversy, as the amount of melamine found was not high enough to cause the sudden deaths.  It should have just given them cancer after while.
I would not give any processed food to a sick dog, actually I do not give much even to the healthy ones nowadays.

If I had a dog with IBD, I would cook some chicken carcasses and legs, remove bones, skim all the fat and freeze in daily portions.  I would cook white rice daily as it can grow bacteria if stored.  Do not strain the rice, boil the it until very soft and gluggy, and the liquid is thick, mix it with the chicken broth and add some probiotic yogurt.  That is a standard food for dog with upset tummy.  If all is well on this diet, you can included some veg, like sweet potatoes, potatoes and carrots, boiled till very soft and mashed.

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I agree with that except to say that brown rice is better, this is kinder on the stomach and easier to digest.

 

[neave]

Try Naturediet my mate's great dane had really bad problems with his tummy and she was told to try this stuff out by a top GD person and now his problems seem to be sorted. You can buy it at Pets at Home it's a little bit expensive but worth the money :luck:

 

[Sirlurcherlot]

I am not sure if you are aware of the huge scandal in the USA re- contaminated pets food.  Large number of brands has been recalled (some of Hills varieties included) as they contained toxic substance melamine plus some other chemicals.  These seem to be deliberately added to the ingredients from China.  There is still a controversy, as the amount of melamine found was not high enough to cause the sudden deaths.  It should have just given them cancer after while.
I would not give any processed food to a sick dog, actually I do not give much even to the healthy ones nowadays.

If I had a dog with IBD, I would cook some chicken carcasses and legs, remove bones, skim all the fat and freeze in daily portions.  I would cook white rice daily as it can grow bacteria if stored.  Do not strain the rice, boil the it until very soft and gluggy, and the liquid is thick, mix it with the chicken broth and add some probiotic yogurt.  That is a standard food for dog with upset tummy.  If all is well on this diet, you can included some veg, like sweet potatoes, potatoes and carrots, boiled till very soft and mashed.

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Unfortunately I am aware of the problem with the food, and I don't particularly like these type of foods ( or companies), however at the moment it contains all the nutrients he needs, and hopefully enough calories. I think I'd struggle to provide him with all the necessary nutrients, and calories by cooking meat and rice.

He cannot have chicken, as this is a protein he has had before,and may have had a part in causing the autoimmune response.IBD dogs shouldn't have any food source they have had before.

At the moment he is doing quite well, his liver function tests are now within normal range and he's allowed to go off lead. So fingers crossed he'll continue to improve, which is all I really want.