Jacket Fiasco - 2nd Championships 2008

[SnipeR]

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Below is a copy of the letter sent to the Whippet News

I would like to thank those people who were kind enough to enquire the reason for my upset at the recent Champs. Below are my reasons,

In the 18lb final, all the dogs went to the paddock in their correct coats according to the programme. However, the paddock official and the trap official did not have the same details on their programmes re the coat colours for 1 (red) and 2 (blue).

In the event, even though it would seem fairly obvious that two experienced racers would be unlikely to 'both' have made a mistake about coating their dogs...the paddock official insisted that the coats be swapped round.

My dog had her coat changed (without my permission and without notification) from 2 (blue) to 1 (red).

I find it difficult to understand why the walkie talkies at hand were not used to confirm correct colour coats for each dog.

Judges result was 3, 1, 2, 4. Which meant my dog (in the changed coat) came second. However - adding insult to injury, at the presentation I was informed that she was third!!

The above is, without doubt, (a) contrary to WCRA rules (b) grossly unfair.

I sincerely hope that nothing like this happens to anyone else - it really spoilt an otherwise good day.

Below is a copy of the reply from the WCRA

Re: WCRA 2nd Championship 2008

Your letter queries the result of Race 79 at the above mentioned Championship meeting, which was the Final for the Not Exceeding 18lb weight group, in which you state the result displayed for this race was:-

1st - 3 (white coat)

2nd - 1 (red coat)

3rd - 2 (blue coat)

4th - 4 (black coat)

...and that your dog, Fun to Run, was wearing the red coat.

As you know, decisions on race placings are made by the three judges on the finishing line and each judge records his/her decisions on a results sheet as the whippets cross the finishing line. These recorded decisions authoratively determine the official placing of the competing dogs and for Race 79 all three judges gave the result as:-

1st - 3 (white coat)

2nd - 1 (red coat)

3rd - 2 (blue coat)

4th - 4 (black coat)

...which means that Fun to Run was third and this was the result entered in her passport.

It is very much to be regretted if the displayed result did not reflect the true situation and we understand, and empathise with your disappointment at discovering your dog was not as highly placed as you had believed.

The event you describe at the paddock is, as i'm sure you're aware, a rare occurrence and one we will endeavour to learn from, so I thank you for bringing it to our attention.

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Please BE AWARE - Next time this could be you.

Comments about this situation are welcomed.

 

[Mark Roberts]

heres the WCRA rule on jackets

4.34 Any runner finishing the race with an incorrect racing jacket will be placed last and unable to participate in further competition that day.

it's the owners responsibilty to ensure their dog is wearing the correct jacket and any queries should be sorted before dogs are put in the traps otherwise by placing the dog in the trap IMO your accepting that things are correct and once the race is run thats it.

BUT since the change in the way the programme is set out (ie: trap draws are differant to how they have always been done) I think it's a lot easyer for mistakes to be made by owners/officials.

 

[Joanna]

I am sure that if this happened to any of us we would feel really upset. I think the WCRA should have made the decision at the time to re-run the race under the circumstances , I believe that there is nothing that can be done now to change the result, but we should all be vigilant in the future. As this has occurred, I am fairly certain that it will be unlikely to happen again as officials will be more aware of the pitfalls.

This is just my take on the situation though I am not sure the WCRA rules are flexible to allow it. As most or all committee members were present, a quick meeting and vote could have taken place in a break possibly?

 

[peppermint lady]

i have just looked at our program for the above race...we also had fun to run down to run in the blue coat :unsure: not the red we had vensuter rio venture in red....has anyone else still got there progam?? what coating did you all have down??

also why did the padock not confirm via radio???

id also be upset if this had happen to my dog

 

[Judy]

I've got Fun to Run as being 2nd in race 58 (the semi) and therefore according to the programme 2nd from 58 should have been in blue in the final but Linda says the officials insisted she want up in red in which case they must have had her down as winning the semi. Maybe the wrong result was read out or put up on the board wrongly for the semi as obviously I'm not the only person to have that Fun To Run should have been in blue in the final.

I don't understand the reply because it says that the dog wearing the red coat was second according to the line judges and from the end of the letter they aren't denying that Fun To Run was wearing the red coat yet they still put her 3rd. I don't get it.

There must have been some misunderstanding but either way Fun To Run did run up in the red coat (because the officials made her change into it) and according to the letter all 3 judges gave the same result that the dog in the red coat finished second, which was Fun To Run.

I wonder if the people in the tent had Fun To Run down as being in the blue coat like other people did and therefore marked her down as third, not realising that she was actually in the red coat because the paddock official had made her swap coats. This is the only scenario that makes any sense to me and if that is what happened then it was down to a lack of communication between the paddock and officials in the tent and the paddock/trap board was different from the tent officials board. Mistakes do happen.

If this was the case then as it was the WCRA's official's fault, not the owners, then surely the result should have been amended by them to reflect the true result.

 

[naylorwhippets]

if fun to run finished second in the red coat and it was the officals mistake then the owner as the right to feel cheated. the result should be ammended surely as it was the officals who got it wrong and not the owner. anybody who races dogs would feel the same as this lady esp as it was the final of the champs, just think what would have occured if the dog in the red coat fun to run had won and not been given the race god only knows what would have been said, commonsense should prevail on this one and the result changed. :thumbsup:

 

[Scott Frodsham]

Judy, thanks for the warning pm and deleting my post.

"Comments about this situation are welcomed."

I added my comments which some people may not like but it was not a personal attack. People may not like my frankness, but at least you know where you stand with me.

My thoughts are that it is hard enough to get people brave enough to be officials, without them being hassled. Experienced it in the past and the bottom line is that at the end of the day the dog didn't win! o

 

[Judy]

I didn't warn you Scott. You already had the warn. I deleted your post because you did make a personal attack. All you did was make a personal and pointless comment about the person involved (which is against the posting rules) and that was it, nothing else at all. Thats what a personal attack is! You did not comment on the situation at all. Surely you can tell the difference.

Your right the dog didn't win but then nobody, not even the owner ever said it did.

I do agree with you last comment about officials being hassled but I don't know that was necessarily relevant here and not what we are being asked to comment on. There is a difference between hassling and making a complaint. It seems to be more about a possible error of procedure. Things do go wrong from time to time and lessons can be learnt. It shouldn't be about blaming individuals though.

 

[peppermint lady]

I've got Fun to Run as being 2nd in race 58 (the semi) and therefore according to the programme 2nd from 58 should have been in blue in the final but Linda says the officials insisted she want up in red in which case they must have had her down as winning the semi. Maybe the wrong result was read out or put up on the board wrongly for the semi as obviously I'm not the only person to have that Fun To Run should have been in blue in the final.
I don't understand the reply because it says that the dog wearing the red coat was second according to the line judges and from the end of the letter they aren't denying that Fun To Run was wearing the red coat yet they still put her 3rd. I don't get it.

There must have been some misunderstanding but either way Fun To Run did run up in the red coat (because the officials made her change into it) and according to the letter all 3 judges gave the same result that the dog in the red coat finished second, which was Fun To Run.

I wonder if the people in the tent had Fun To Run down as being in the blue coat like other people did and therefore marked her down as third, not realising that she was actually in the red coat because the paddock official had made her swap coats. This is the only scenario that makes any sense to me and if that is what happened then it was down to a lack of communication between the paddock and officials in the tent and the paddock/trap board was different from the tent officials board. Mistakes do happen.

If this was the case then as it was the WCRA's official's fault, not the owners, then surely the result should have been amended by them to reflect the true result.

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thats what i think to judy...that the tent officials had the same result as the rest of us :wacko:

in this case i also think the result should be changed :thumbsup:

 

[SnipeR]

Below is a copy of the letter sent to the Whippet News
I would like to thank those people who were kind enough to enquire the reason for my upset at the recent Champs. Below are my reasons,

In the 18lb final, all the dogs went to the paddock in their correct coats according to the programme. However, the paddock official and the trap official did not have the same details on their programmes re the coat colours for 1 (red) and 2 (blue).

In the event, even though it would seem fairly obvious that two experienced racers would be unlikely to 'both' have made a mistake about coating their dogs...the paddock official insisted that the coats be swapped round.

My dog had her coat changed (without my permission and without notification) from 2 (blue) to 1 (red).

I find it difficult to understand why the walkie talkies at hand were not used to confirm correct colour coats for each dog.

Judges result was 3, 1, 2, 4. Which meant my dog (in the changed coat) came second. However - adding insult to injury, at the presentation I was informed that she was third!!

The above is, without doubt, (a) contrary to WCRA rules (b) grossly unfair.

I sincerely hope that nothing like this happens to anyone else - it really spoilt an otherwise good day.

Below is a copy of the reply from the WCRA

Re: WCRA 2nd Championship 2008

Your letter queries the result of Race 79 at the above mentioned Championship meeting, which was the Final for the Not Exceeding 18lb weight group, in which you state the result displayed for this race was:-

            1st -  3 (white coat)

            2nd - 1 (red coat)

            3rd -  2 (blue coat)

            4th -  4 (black coat)

...and that your dog, Fun to Run, was wearing the red coat.

As you know, decisions on race placings are made by the three judges on the finishing line and each judge records his/her decisions on a results sheet as the whippets cross the finishing line. These recorded decisions authoratively determine the official placing of the competing dogs and for Race 79 all three judges gave the result as:-

          1st -  3 (white coat)

          2nd - 1 (red coat)

          3rd -  2 (blue coat)

          4th -  4 (black coat)

...which means that Fun to Run was third and this was the result entered in her passport.

It is very much to be regretted if the displayed result did not reflect the true situation and we understand, and empathise with your disappointment at discovering your dog was not as highly placed as you had believed.

The event you describe at the paddock is, as i'm sure you're aware, a rare occurrence and one we will endeavour to learn from, so I thank you for bringing it to our attention.

END

Please BE AWARE - Next time this could be you.

Comments about this situation are welcomed.

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Made a mistake in this part

As you know, decisions on race placings are made by the three judges on the finishing line and each judge records his/her decisions on a results sheet as the whippets cross the finishing line. These recorded decisions authoratively determine the official placing of the competing dogs and for Race 79 all three judges gave the result as:-

1st - 3 (white coat)

2nd - 1 (red coat)

3rd - 2 (blue coat)

4th - 4 (black coat)

...which means that Fun to Run was third and this was the result entered in her passport.

Result should have been typed as:-

1st - 3 (white coat)

2nd - 2 (blue coat)

3rd - 1 (red coat)

4th - 4 (black coat)

Sorry for any confusion.

 

[Judy]

Ahhhh... well, that's different. Maybe she was third then.

 

[SnipeR]

Judy, thanks for the warning pm and deleting my post.
"Comments about this situation are welcomed."

I added my comments which some people may not like but it was not a personal attack. People may not like my frankness, but at least you know where you stand with me.

My thoughts are that it is hard enough to get people brave enough to be officials, without them being hassled. Experienced it in the past and the bottom line is that at the end of the day the dog didn't win!  o

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To be fair Scott, as far as I am aware, not one person who acted as an official has been hassled. Fun to Run, if she had won, would have been a Rch. We will never know if being in the correct trap would have made a differance. Also, if there had been the offer of a re-run, the owner of Fun to Run would have probably turned it down because it would have taken away the victory of the winner who also wasn't to blame for the mix-up.

Minor placings still mean something to some people. Coming 2nd in a Champs final is still a tremendous achievement for some dogs.

 

[BeeJay]

Personally I am very, very chuffed if my dogs reach a main final, so their placings are important to me. Of course it's brilliant if they win and especially a Champs because that can mean the dogs name has a title added to it and thus there is recognition of the dogs ability long after the dog is no longer racing. Because of this I believe that the champs are more important than other open level race meetings. Therefore it is more important that the race meetings are run well and that the track is the best. There is more expectation of the WCRA and helpers on the day to get it right because it is a championship.

I'm sure that I'm not the only racer who thinks that the straight track that the champs are run on is one of the worst tracks that any open is run on. I'm lucky that I have big dogs and they can cope with the 'bump and dip' but the smaller dogs are seen to move all over the place, thus the trap positions become more important as the dog in the red trap is worst affected by the uneven ground. Many people believe that the red trap is the least favourable of the traps on this particular track. Of course this is NOT the only track that has an effect on the trap position that dogs are given. Some other tracks aren't level either. However IMO as this is the Champs this should be the best race meeting in every way and set the standard that all the clubs should aim to meet.

To answer Mark about the coats that the dogs ran in. I have been told that the paddock official's program was different to the trap man's. The paddock official wouldn't let the dogs go to the traps in the wrong coats so made them change. You quoted one rule Mark well here's another WCRA rule.

4.19 The starter will re-check that all whippets are correctly jacketed and muzzled before entering the traps.

Because of the discrepancy between the two programs if this rule had been adhered to the problem would have been highlighted at the traps and the dogs would have had to have the coats re-changed over and they would have been run from the right traps.

Also there is this rule

4.34 Any runner finishing the race with an incorrect racing jacket will be placed last and unable to participate in further competition that day.

So I suppose that given that 2 whippets ran in the wrong jackets then the owner of the 4th dog could ask for them to be disqualified and their dog placed 2nd. However as the owners of the wrongly jacketed dogs weren't at fault what would the WCRA do about that if such a request was made.

However the catalog of errors doesn't end with the racing jackets that the dogs wore. There is also the matter of the result. The red dog was put up 2nd yet we have been told that ALL the line judges had the same result so why didn't they notice the error and amend it. Not only did the person putting up the result get it wrong but the line judges didn't notice the mistake either. Also Fun To Run was read out as being in 2nd place and thus an error was made then too.

This particular race seems to have been very, very unfortunate in that many errors made by different people have affected it. We are all human and mistakes get made. Nobody wants to make them, none of us are perfect and hindsight as we all know is a wonderful thing. Personally I think that the owners of the affected dogs should recieve an apology for the mistakes made.

 

[peppermint lady]

Personally I am very, very chuffed if my dogs reach a main final, so their placings are important to me.  Of course it's brilliant if they win and especially a Champs because that can mean the dogs name has a title added to it and thus there is recognition of the dogs ability long after the dog is no longer racing.  Because of this I believe that the champs are more important than other open level race meetings.  Therefore it is more important that the race meetings are run well and that the track is the best.  There is more expectation of the WCRA and helpers on the day to get it right because it is a championship.
I'm sure that I'm not the only racer who thinks that the straight track that the champs are run on is one of the worst tracks that any open is run on.  I'm lucky that I have big dogs and they can cope with the 'bump and dip' but the smaller dogs are seen to move all over the place, thus the trap positions become more important as the dog in the red trap is worst affected by the uneven ground.  Many people believe that the red trap is the least favourable of the traps on this particular track.  Of course this is NOT the only track that has an effect on the trap position that dogs are given.  Some other tracks aren't level either.  However IMO as this is the Champs this should be the best race meeting in every way and set the standard that all the clubs should aim to meet. 

To answer Mark about the coats that the dogs ran in.  I have been told that the paddock official's program was different to the trap man's.  The paddock official wouldn't let the dogs go to the traps in the wrong coats so made them change.  You quoted one rule Mark well here's another WCRA rule. 

4.19  The starter will re-check that all whippets are correctly jacketed and muzzled before entering the traps.

Because of the discrepancy between the two programs if this rule had been adhered to the problem would have been highlighted at the traps and the dogs would have had to have the coats re-changed over and they would have been run from the right traps. 

Also there is this rule

4.34  Any runner finishing the race with an incorrect racing jacket will be placed last and unable to participate in further competition that day.

So I suppose that given that 2 whippets ran in the wrong jackets then the owner of the 4th dog could ask for them to be disqualified and their dog placed 2nd.  However as the owners of the wrongly jacketed dogs weren't at fault what would the WCRA do about that if such a request was made.

However the catalog of errors doesn't end with the racing jackets that the dogs wore.  There is also the matter of the result.  The red dog was put up 2nd yet we have been told that ALL the line judges had the same result so why didn't they notice the error and amend it.  Not only did the person putting up the result get it wrong but the line judges didn't notice the mistake either.  Also Fun To Run was read out as being in 2nd place and thus an error was made then too.

This particular race seems to have been very, very unfortunate in that many errors made by different people have affected it.  We are all human and mistakes get made.  Nobody wants to make them, none of us are perfect and hindsight as we all know is a wonderful thing.  Personally I think that the owners of the affected dogs should recieve an apology for the mistakes made.

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your spot on barbara....the champs imo is the ultimate 4 events a year in the racing calender :thumbsup: and might i add is also the most exspensive to enter :- "

i agree that the track and running of the meeting should be of the highest standard possible, i thought the bump/dip in the track looked terrible at the last meeting , and if it means the red trap is getting the worst of the track then this is unfair to every dog that traps from it

can the the track not be set up in a different spot??

 

[finalez]

Personally I am very, very chuffed if my dogs reach a main final, so their placings are important to me.  Of course it's brilliant if they win and especially a Champs because that can mean the dogs name has a title added to it and thus there is recognition of the dogs ability long after the dog is no longer racing.  Because of this I believe that the champs are more important than other open level race meetings.  Therefore it is more important that the race meetings are run well and that the track is the best.  There is more expectation of the WCRA and helpers on the day to get it right because it is a championship.
I'm sure that I'm not the only racer who thinks that the straight track that the champs are run on is one of the worst tracks that any open is run on.  I'm lucky that I have big dogs and they can cope with the 'bump and dip' but the smaller dogs are seen to move all over the place, thus the trap positions become more important as the dog in the red trap is worst affected by the uneven ground.  Many people believe that the red trap is the least favourable of the traps on this particular track.  Of course this is NOT the only track that has an effect on the trap position that dogs are given.  Some other tracks aren't level either.  However IMO as this is the Champs this should be the best race meeting in every way and set the standard that all the clubs should aim to meet. 

To answer Mark about the coats that the dogs ran in.  I have been told that the paddock official's program was different to the trap man's.  The paddock official wouldn't let the dogs go to the traps in the wrong coats so made them change.  You quoted one rule Mark well here's another WCRA rule. 

4.19  The starter will re-check that all whippets are correctly jacketed and muzzled before entering the traps.

Because of the discrepancy between the two programs if this rule had been adhered to the problem would have been highlighted at the traps and the dogs would have had to have the coats re-changed over and they would have been run from the right traps. 

Also there is this rule

4.34  Any runner finishing the race with an incorrect racing jacket will be placed last and unable to participate in further competition that day.

So I suppose that given that 2 whippets ran in the wrong jackets then the owner of the 4th dog could ask for them to be disqualified and their dog placed 2nd.  However as the owners of the wrongly jacketed dogs weren't at fault what would the WCRA do about that if such a request was made.

However the catalog of errors doesn't end with the racing jackets that the dogs wore.  There is also the matter of the result.  The red dog was put up 2nd yet we have been told that ALL the line judges had the same result so why didn't they notice the error and amend it.  Not only did the person putting up the result get it wrong but the line judges didn't notice the mistake either.  Also Fun To Run was read out as being in 2nd place and thus an error was made then too.

This particular race seems to have been very, very unfortunate in that many errors made by different people have affected it.  We are all human and mistakes get made.  Nobody wants to make them, none of us are perfect and hindsight as we all know is a wonderful thing.  Personally I think that the owners of the affected dogs should recieve an apology for the mistakes made.

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IMO Linda you have more than a right to be upset ,its not about where you finished if you get to the final but how your dog got there, no disrespect to the other finalists,they too were victims of this error.In the least the dogs (not jkts) should have kept thier placing, but also (and I quote beejay)"I'm lucky that I have big dogs and they can cope with the 'bump and dip' but the smaller dogs are seen to move all over the place, thus the trap positions become more important as the dog in the red trap is worst affected by the uneven ground. ".Our little dog was also in the Red trap(and in the lead) other racers words NOT mine, she hit the above and jolted herself badly, she did finish the race and no less than five people came over to ask if she was hurt. After a 200 mile round trip to our Greyhound vet I can say she was unhurt by the "bump & dip".We are not (contary to a few peoples belief) bitter about what happened,she arrived unhurt at the end of the race,and thankfully yours did to, the rest as they say is history!!!. We are only human,and mistakes do happen, lets hope the WCRA commitee learn a lesson from this(and PLEASE) move the track.

 

[Joanna]

It is probably veering slightly off topic to mention the dip and bump, but now some brave soul has mentioned it (I wanted too but was too scared :sweating: ), I believe it is some-thing that needs discussion. I was going to mention it as a topic for Talk-In. I love going to Moreton, it is a fabulous setting and the bends are wonderful, Paul works really hard at setting up the track, and this should not be denigrated in any way. I believe a small working party could lift the turf in that spot and fill it over the winter and reseed in spring and it would be a vast improvement. Having sat opposite the dip in June, I was horrified at the effect it had on certain dogs, and quite frankly terrified that there would be an injury (and of course there was a very high profile one). To bring this back on topic, I think you have made some very fair points Barbara, and the Talk-In would be an appropriate forum to discuss both of these valid issues.............if there is one this year :- "

 

[finalez]

It is probably veering slightly off topic to mention the dip and bump, but now some brave soul has mentioned it (I wanted too but was too scared :sweating: ), I believe it is some-thing that needs discussion. I was going to mention it as a topic for Talk-In. I love going to Moreton, it is a fabulous setting and the bends are wonderful, Paul works really hard at setting up the track, and this should not be denigrated in any way. I believe a small working party could lift the turf in that spot and fill it over the winter and reseed in spring and it would be a vast improvement. Having sat opposite the dip in June, I was horrified at the effect it had on certain dogs, and quite frankly terrified that there would be an injury (and of course there was a very high profile one). To bring this back on topic, I think you have made some very fair points Barbara, and the Talk-In would be an appropriate forum to discuss both of these valid issues.............if there is one this year :- "

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I too was scared to mention the "dip n bump" but glad Barb did. As you mentioned Jo,it can quite easily be rectified. No-one wants to have or see a dog injured at any meeting including the Champs.We also love the venue and hope the WCRA commitee will take this as a constructive comment in the way it is intended.They do a fantastic job . :cheers:

 

[June Jonigk]

Right - here goes..... after having been in trouble for speaking up before, I speak up now at my peril :blink:

Why did the owner of the dog who was really third not speak out? Surely if this owner spoke to the WCRA and confirmed the problem, which was down to the WCRA official, the problem could have been sorted on the day.

With regard to the dip in the track, I have not spoken to anyone about my feelings, but I do believe (as I had a direct view of what happened straight in front of me) that the accident resulting in a badly injured dog was due to the dip in the track. The dog who was injured went into the dip and was thrown off balance which resulted in her slowing slightly, allowing the dog behind to run into her back end, and I saw her leg go back under her.

I don't like to criticise the WCRA, as they have a difficult job to do, and for the most part run very good Championships. The straight track however, as others have said, is inferior to many others on the open circuit. The venue at Moreton is second to none, but the straight track needs some urgent attention.

I think SnipeR's posts may have been slightly confusing - sounds like you're confused Judy, cos now you think she was 3rd :wacko: :teehee: From what I can understand, Fun To Run should have been in Blue, but was changed to Red by the paddock official - the dog in the red jacket came 2nd (Fun to Run), but the line judges had another dog in red, so placed that one 2nd, and Fun to Run 3rd. The fault lies with the paddock official, and in all fairness this mistake should be put right. We all make mistakes from time to time, after all we're all human - but to just leave the problem and say the committee will learn from it, doesn't make the aggreived owner feel any better. I would be devastated had it happened to me

 

[BlueNoise]

Right - here goes..... after having been in trouble for speaking up before, I speak up now at my peril :blink:
Why did the owner of the dog who was really third not speak out?  Surely if this owner spoke to the WCRA and confirmed the problem, which was down to the WCRA official, the problem could have been sorted on the day.

With regard to the dip in the track, I have not spoken to anyone about my feelings, but I do believe (as I had a direct view of what happened straight in front of me) that the accident resulting in a badly injured dog was due to the dip in the track.  The dog who was injured went into the dip and was thrown off balance which resulted in her slowing slightly, allowing the dog behind to run into her back end, and I saw her leg go back under her.

I don't like to criticise the WCRA, as they have a difficult job to do, and for the most part run a very good Championships.  The straight track however, as others have said, is inferior to many others on the open circuit.  The venue at Moreton is second to none, but the straight track needs some urgent attention.

I think SnipeR's posts may have been slightly confusing - sounds like you're confused Judy, cos now you think she was 3rd :wacko:   :teehee:   From what I can understand, Fun To Run should have been in Blue, but was changed to Red by the paddock official - the dog in the red jacket came 2nd (Fun to Run), but the line judges had another dog in red, so placed that one 2nd, and Fun to Run 3rd.  The fault lies with the paddock official, and in all fairness this mistake should be put right.  We all make mistakes from time to time, after all we're all human - but to just leave the problem and say the committee will learn from it, doesn't make the aggreived owner feel any better.  I would be devastated had it happened to me

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Sorry for jumping on your reply but I agree with you June :thumbsup:

The same thing went through my mind If the other owner had come forward then surely it would have all been sorted by now )

 

[LVernon]

Sorry for jumping on your reply  but I agree with you  June :thumbsup: The same thing went through my mind If the other owner had come forward then surely it would have all been sorted by now )

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Don't suppose there was a camera on the line? We sometimes use them here in North America but not all the time. They are good for sorting this sort of thing out. A quick review will tell you which dog is wearing what jacket and what order they came across.