just to let every one know, the bitch i kept out of kirby is now six months old she is just over 15 pounnds and she is very leggy she has,nt got much more grow in her i think she will just make 16 pound. she has had a few little runs and she just wants to eat the rag she is very keen thankfully. anyway i am very happy wiht her and i will try to get some pictures on of her soon