Minature Whippet

[Alayna Morland]

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Some one asked me today if I had heard of a Minature Whippet (not an IG) bred specially for its coat. To me it sounds like a something to help sell pups like a labradoodle or whatever they are.

Anyone else heard of this?

Alayna x

 

[trac]

when we out the other week with spirit & tia a woman asked me if spirit was a minature whippet (w00t) ,to which i said no he is a whippet puppy :lol:

 

[~JO~]

Some one asked me today if I had heard of a Minature Whippet (not an IG) bred specially for its coat.  To me it sounds like a something to help sell pups like a labradoodle or whatever they are.
Anyone else heard of this?

Alayna x

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Someone else asked me about this as well! (via the club website) But I do not know anymore than you!

 

[seaspot_run]

There is a thing over here called a Miniature Longhaired Whippet. It's not recognized at this time. There was sheltie crossed in to get the coat originally.

It's considered a rare breed. As it was originally a vanity project by a single US breeder, I would be surprised if you had anyone working with this new breed development project in England, but I do know that some can be found in Canada.

Karen

 

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There is a thing over here called a Miniature Longhaired Whippet. It's not recognized at this time.  There was sheltie crossed in to get the coat originally.
It's considered a rare breed. As it was originally a vanity project by a single US breeder, I would be surprised if you had anyone working with this new breed development project in England, but I do know that some can be found in Canada.

Karen

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Was there not someone on this site from the US with a longhaired Whippet??? I could've sworn they posted about their dogs and put pics on (I remember thinking it was a lovely dog) it ended up in a bit of a debate as to whether they were Lurchers or not? I've not seen them on since though??

 

[doris]

sounds like a posh designer cross breed to me - with all my vast knowledge and experience of all things whippetie :wacko:

 

[Ann Glews]

Had some old lady ask OH if Izzy was an "Italian Whippet", she was convinced its a breed and once owned one apparently. :blink:

John just thought she was an old dear! :- " :- "

 

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There is a thing over here called a Miniature Longhaired Whippet. It's not recognized at this time.  There was sheltie crossed in to get the coat originally.
It's considered a rare breed. As it was originally a vanity project by a single US breeder, I would be surprised if you had anyone working with this new breed development project in England, but I do know that some can be found in Canada.

Karen

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Was there not someone on this site from the US with a longhaired Whippet??? I could've sworn they posted about their dogs and put pics on (I remember thinking it was a lovely dog) it ended up in a bit of a debate as to whether they were Lurchers or not? I've not seen them on since though??

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Well, I have a lot of recent pictures of LHW's as believe it or not, I just judged a show for one of the groups. There are basically four divisions of dogs down from the original concept and three of those now acknowledge the role that other breeds played in introducing the longer, silkier hair.

I didn't get any miniatures, though. I believe the idea is to close the stud book fairly soon on these dogs if they haven't already. They are also trying to recreate the old wire-coated Whippet as was seen back around the turn of the century but went extinct sometime before 1930 in the USA (and I imagine a bit earlier than that in England). The wire-coated Whippets were primarily a sporting or racing type and weren't used in the development of the show lines.

My understanding is the current group views this rather like the creation of the Longhaired Dachshund--introduce the coat genes by crossing in another breed and then breed them back to type, but with the coat, and close the stud book, and then go for recognition.

As long as they are honest about what they are doing and aren't spinning some yarn about where the long hair came from, I'm fine with the notion. Many of our breeds we recognize today had to start somewhere with people making some crosses to get something new that they liked.

Although one of the things I like best about the Whippet is that it does NOT have long hair, I do think there's a niche for a dog with Whippet size and temperament, but a longer coat for those who like a fluffier dog.

Karen Lee

 

[devonmaid]

surely you are discussing lurchers :- " ,lol could you imagine the uproar if the whippet bedlington cross became the next designer dog (w00t) most lurcher breeders ,cross the dog to produce a dog suitable for the ground/game they are going to work it on and would not be interested in any recouldnition which would restrict this

 

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There is a thing over here called a Miniature Longhaired Whippet. It's not recognized at this time.  There was sheltie crossed in to get the coat originally.
It's considered a rare breed. As it was originally a vanity project by a single US breeder, I would be surprised if you had anyone working with this new breed development project in England, but I do know that some can be found in Canada.

Karen

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Was there not someone on this site from the US with a longhaired Whippet??? I could've sworn they posted about their dogs and put pics on (I remember thinking it was a lovely dog) it ended up in a bit of a debate as to whether they were Lurchers or not? I've not seen them on since though??

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Well, I have a lot of recent pictures of LHW's as believe it or not, I just judged a show for one of the groups. There are basically four divisions of dogs down from the original concept and three of those now acknowledge the role that other breeds played in introducing the longer, silkier hair.

I didn't get any miniatures, though. I believe the idea is to close the stud book fairly soon on these dogs if they haven't already. They are also trying to recreate the old wire-coated Whippet as was seen back around the turn of the century but went extinct sometime before 1930 in the USA (and I imagine a bit earlier than that in England). The wire-coated Whippets were primarily a sporting or racing type and weren't used in the development of the show lines.

My understanding is the current group views this rather like the creation of the Longhaired Dachshund--introduce the coat genes by crossing in another breed and then breed them back to type, but with the coat, and close the stud book, and then go for recognition.

As long as they are honest about what they are doing and aren't spinning some yarn about where the long hair came from, I'm fine with the notion. Many of our breeds we recognize today had to start somewhere with people making some crosses to get something new that they liked.

Although one of the things I like best about the Whippet is that it does NOT have long hair, I do think there's a niche for a dog with Whippet size and temperament, but a longer coat for those who like a fluffier dog.

Karen Lee

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Thanks for that info Karen...I too agree with what you are saying about having a LH variety as there are no dogs (other than beddy/whip crosses - Lurchers) that fall into that category,(but I do recall seeing an article in the dog press about a small Borzoi type dog...can't remember what it was called?) although again like you I love the Whippet BECAUSE it is smooth.

 

[urchin]

Thanks for the info Karen - I totally agree with you, as long as people are HONEST about what they have added to the mix to produce the coat in the first place, it's perfectly acceptable to establish a new type then close the stud book. It's how most breeds were developed originally, it's just a question of how long ago. :thumbsup:

The only problem I have with new breeds such as the labradoodle is the blummin name :rant: They are great dogs and if they breed true and at some point the stud book is closed on them, I see no reason at all that they shouldn't be recognised as a new breed.

To me, these dogs are no more 'designer' dogs than any of the breeds that become briefly popular then end up filling the rescue centres because they turn out to be *shock* *gasp* real live animals, not animated cuddly toys.

This is totally different from breeding lurchers - the point of a lurcher, surely is to do a job. So having the flexibility to add anything to the mix that will add to a dogs ability in a given field has to be important.

Establishing a new breed is a completely different endeavour - it's no different in essence from anyone breeding any other pedigree - it's just starting at the beginning with the trial and error bit - rather than just joining in at the refining and maintaining stage

 

[julie_s]

but I do recall seeing an article in the dog press about a small Borzoi type dog...can't remember what it was called?

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I think they're called 'Silken Windhounds'... whippet size with a borzoi type outline.

 

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but I do recall seeing an article in the dog press about a small Borzoi type dog...can't remember what it was called?

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I think they're called 'Silken Windhounds'... whippet size with a borzoi type outline.

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Ahh...that is it!! thanks. :thumbsup:

 

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but I do recall seeing an article in the dog press about a small Borzoi type dog...can't remember what it was called?

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I think they're called 'Silken Windhounds'... whippet size with a borzoi type outline.

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Yes, the borzoi-crossed one is called the Silken Windhound. A Texas Borzoi breeder named Francie Stull has been one who has done the most to develop and promote this new breed.

The original kennel which came up with the LHW concept was Walter Wheeler's Windsprite kennel, so there is another group called the Silken Windsprite.

Then, there is the Longhaired Whippet Association which still claims that Walter Wheeler was telling the truth when he said he'd discovered a longhaired recessive in a purebred line of Whippets, and there is also the Long Haired Whippet Association, which says that there was some Sheltie in the original stock, but they are working towards developing a Whippet with long hair which would be considered purebred as the original crosses become farther and farther back.

More reading:

Longhaired Whippet Association

Here's the website of the Longhaired Whippet Association, the one group that does not acknowledge that that outside breed(s) were used to introduce the long hair genes.

International Longhaired Whippet Club: The ILWC does admit the outside blood, and is furthermore trying to develop new breeds and breed combinations using LHW and AKC Whippets. This is separate from the Labradoodle issue, IMO, as these dogs are not being marketed as F1 crosses with no further attempt to create something that breeds true in subsequent generations.

Silken Windhounds--another variationSilken Windhounds which include Borzoi blood.

Silken Windsprite was a name that was briefly adopted in order to get around the objection to the use of the word "Whippet" in the name of a new breed that most of the North American AKC and CKC Whippet fanciers consider to be something other than a purebred Whippet.

It is my understanding that the Silken Windsprite was the name under which a quantity of these dogs were exported into Europe. So, some of you may have seen them at European exhibitions.

I don't think there are any of these in the UK, but of course, I could be wrong.

Walter WHeeler was a very interesting person. I never met him, but he was considered both brilliant and very eccentric by those who did know him.

This was a HUGE controversy back in the 1980's when he started advertising these dogs in a sighthound magazine as purebred Whippets. Even more so when he said that the longhaired gene came from an English import, Hillgarth Shot Silk, and that Whippet breeders had been getting them for years and just bucketing them.

 

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You have Silken Windhounds at kennel Endevor http://www.endevorborzoi.com/home.cfm and at kennel Starborough

http://www.starboroughsilkenwindhounds.co.uk/1.html, both in UK.

 

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You have Silken Windhounds at kennel Endevor http://www.endevorborzoi.com/home.cfm and at kennel Starboroughhttp://www.starboroughsilkenwindhounds.co.uk/1.html, both in UK.

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I stand corrected, then!



You can see these are the ones with Borzoi in them just from looking at the shape of their heads.