Murphy

[mike brown]

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just come on the site and can see im getting some bad press from andy bell a boy who came to my yard over ten years ago he was buying a pup out off sooty sam he put his ten pound dep was told this would be used to re advertis the pup if he let me down so the time came for him to pick the pup up three phone calls off me to him he said he was comeing then when the pup was over nine weeks he phones me saying he was going in the airforce and was going to scotland he beg for his ten pound back i used it to re advertise the pup now he is bad mouthing everything i do if you have anything to say about sooty sams breeding and whats wrongwith it let us all no also about the pups intrest what do you mean let us no ive dealt with hundreds off people no one has ever phoned and said they are dissaponited with there pup as you no i dont tout my pups on sites like this i dont write about my own dogs like you do my dogs do all the talking for me i wouldnt be on this site now only i was told off this boys remarks so you no where i am if i new where you where i would off confronted you by now i cant stand people who builds there self up with lies writeing crap about a dog with no stamina so will let the dog people judge what you have to say im wateing if your wrong i will take it further ipromise mike brown

 

[»Tina«]

I don't know Murphy or Mike personally, but I DO however live in Mikes neck of the woods and through word of mouth have heard NOTHING but praise and respect for Mike AND his dogs (especially from a Mike Clark and others),

I have also seen the wonderfull pup's/dogs that people have had from Mike on this site, and read how the owners of the pup's/dogs are very impressed and totally happy with them 100% (they are stunning looking dogs too).

after reading what Mike has wrote, I'd say he was right to re-advertise the pup, some breeders don't give back deposits due to timewasters and then DO re-advertise the pup, thats why breeders ask for deposits in the first place to potentionally STOP timewasters and to sercure the pup.

saying all this I will read what Murphy has to reply first before making judgement, but at this moment in time I'd say Mike was in his right to re-advertise this pup,

just a quick question to other breeders, do you keep the deposit and re-advertise the pup due to timewasters? or do you give the deposit back then re-advertise?

 

[*Lesley*]

If I paid a deposit for a pup then decided I didn't want it I wouldn't expect to get my deposit back, the breeder could have turned down lost of good homes on the strenghth of my deposit, same with most things I think if you paid a deposit for a holiday then just decided you didn't want to go you wouldn't get your deposit back :thumbsup:

And anyway a tenner is hardly worth falling out about is it :wacko:

 

[CHRIS DOYLE]

Mike, from his post, comes across to me as a pretty passionate and genuine guy.

Ive met Andy and found him to be a nice enough chap also. No doubt he (Andy) will have some contribution to make but an open forum is possibly not the best place to air any views on what is to these people an emotive subject. As we sometimes find on K9, it doesn't take much to start world war whatever :angry:

Forever the peacemaker

LAMPINGMAN (w00t)

 

[Mark Roberts]

Can I ask that everyone keeps this topic constructive otherwise if it just resorts to a slanging match it will be deleted.

I don't want to stop anyone having their say or defending themselves or their breeding but please remember it is an open forum.

 

[Scott Frodsham]

I treat people as I find them, contrary to what some may say. Only met Andy a few times, but seems like a really nice bloke who cares for his dogs! IMO :thumbsup:

If I had a pound for every time I'd heard that a pup came out of sooty sam I'd be a very rich man! :- "

 

[Strike Whippets]

just a quick question to other breeders, do you keep the deposit and re-advertise the pup due to timewasters? or do you give the deposit back then re-advertise?

I've never asked for a deposit due to seeing my friend who bred Afghans let a puppy go to a home that had paid 1/3 of the price for the pup ...........These people buying the puppy KNEW within a few days of handing over the deposit, that they didn't/couldn't have this pup, ........but to stop themselves loosing that money, they brought the pup, then promptly sold it on again :rant:

But then saying that I'm not really a breeder like some on this board, so prehaps I'm wrong .......but i'd much rather have NO money involved so if the pup wasn't wanted there wouldn't be that issue of money ..........and as for keeping a deposit to re~advertise the pup, .......I would think that most breeders would much rather fork out for an advert to insure the right home ......Whats £20 when you've spent all of that time and effort in rearing a litter correctly.......paper training, socialising in the home, expensive foods etc .......but this is JMHO :thumbsup:

I treat people as I find them, contrary to what some may say. Only met Andy a few times, but seems like a really nice bloke who cares for his dogs! IMO 

I have to agree with Scott here (though I haven't met Andy) ........He does seem like a really good bloke who adores his boys :thumbsup: ........I can't comment on Mike as all I know about him and his dogs is all hear say .........but as Chris has said this discussion is better off private :thumbsup:

 

[MURPHY 1]

Ok Have been away for a few days and can see that things have gotten out of hand!

Firstly and I will put my hand up here and say that my comments were inflamitory ( dodgy spelling! ) It wasn't my intention to start anything or cause a row but simply state something that I thought was of interest to the forum at the time, I have always said that if I am wrong then I would apologise, so far nobody has proved to me that I am wrong.

Secondly and not that I need to justify myself I will clear up a few indescrepencies,

The deposit was Twenty five pounds if I remember correctly, Going to Scotland didn't put me off having a dog, that was an excuse I told you because I was too naieve and young to tell you the real reason, the dog I got instead went to Scotland with me three weeks later!

I have never slagged off your dogs, the reason I went to you in the first place was because of the first class reputation that your dogs have in the field, you were nothing but courteous and professional when you showed me around your well looked after kennels, and the dogs were everything that I was looking for.

Nobody was looking forward to getting a pup as much as me, and if I remember rightly it was me that kept phoning you!

Now I know lots of breeders do it differently, but coming from a family of dog breeders for many many years led me to believe that the person who puts down his deposit first gets to choose his puppy first, and I thought that we had agreed that?

So when I asked to come and see the pups at four weeks, to choose the dog that I wanted, I was surprised for you to say that because of some kind of accident, there was only three or four ( I cant remember ) left, ring back in a few weeks you said, I did and was then told that a game keeper from Ireland was taking Two

And I would have the remaining Blue dog!

From a choice four Dogs out of a litter of seven I was left with the last one! some pick of litter that!

Because I wasn't happy with the explanation I asked for my deposit back because I had been misled, you refused, rightly so in most circumstances and I agree with you about readvertising fees but not in this case.

Because I was moving to Scotland I then quickly found a breeder of Show Whippets through My mothers dog showing background, I went to visit the breeder and brought Murphy who was being sold because he was too big for the show ring and was only "pet quality" Show quality he may not have been but a better worker I could not have asked for.

You said "I cant stand people who builds there self up with lies writeing crap about a dog with no stamina "

I'm not sure how you would know that my dog (recently desceased) had no stamina?

I don't build myself up and all the things I have ever written about my dogs have been anecdotal, stories ( true stories ) warts and all good and bad, I don't breed dogs so I have no need to make up stories to help sell them, I enjoy writing and sharing tales nothing more!

The crux of this whole episode comes down to the pedigree that you gave to me on my original visit, When I visited the kennels where Murphy was bred I showed her the pedigree, she looked at it and saw lots of dogs that she recognised, in her own words a "few too many dogs" now I didn't know and asked her what she meant? She thought some of the dogs on the pedigree couldn't possibly have been the sires/ dams of certain other dogs in the pedigree, she then x refered the pedigree to her Official Kennel club Whippet year books and it appeared that either she was right or some seriously geriatric Doggie sex was occuring!

I hope she was wrong because I don't like to make it my buisness upsetting people or bad mouthing them, but I was left bitter Ten years ago and it's a shame that I felt obliged to even mention it.

I hope this explanation clears a few things up, I have nothing against you, just what happened! and I have nothing against your dogs, I wanted one in the first place! I know the owners of your bred dogs on here have all been over the moon.

PM me if you want to discuss it in private and if there is anything else I can explain to you.

 

[~elizabeth~]

She thought some of the dogs on the pedigree couldn't possibly have been the sires/ dams of certain other dogs in the pedigree, she then x refered the pedigree to her Official Kennel club Whippet year books and it appeared that either she was right or some seriously geriatric Doggie sex was occuring!I hope she was wrong because I don't like to make it my buisness upsetting people or bad mouthing them.

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There might be another explanation of this; if the dogs in quesion were Lagunas, Dorrit and Lilah often reused names, e.g the Laguna leader show dog of the 1960s is a completely different one from the coursing dog of the 1980s, just one example of many. I understand this is perfectly 'legal' in kennel club terms after a certain length of time has passed, but highly confusing if you're not aware of it.

 

[BeeJay]

Yep that's right Moriarte. :thumbsup: Some of the Laguna names have been re used up to 4 times.

Not just them but other names have been reused.

 

[MURPHY 1]

I can see that I have caused a bit of a stir on what is normally a very calm and good natured site

There are many other working dog sites where this kind of argument is common place, the reason I enjoy coming on here is because of the lack of aggro!

I am sorry for any grief that I have caused and was only genuinely answering a question about an enquirey regarding Mike Brown.

With the benefit of hindsight my comments probably overstepped the mark and I am sorry for that.

Whatever problems or mix ups occured between myself and Mike ten years ago are largely private and should maybe have remained that way.

I have Pm'd Mike and hope to resolve the issues that we had, I have no need to fall out with anyone on this site and just love being involved with working Whippets.

Forums like this are ideal places to pass on ideas, talk about things, share experiences and pass on opinions, people should be free to say within reason whatever they want without fear or trepidation, at the same time people have the right to be judged fairly and decently without offence.

If I have caused offence wrongly or been unfair then I am sorry.

Lets just talk about our Bloody dogs. :cheers:

 

[~whitecross whippets~]

I can see that I have caused a bit of a stir on what is normally a very calm and good natured site   There are many other working dog sites where this kind of argument is common place, the reason I enjoy coming on here is because of the lack of aggro!

I am sorry for any grief that I have caused and was only genuinely answering a question about an enquirey regarding Mike Brown.

With the benefit of hindsight my comments probably overstepped the mark and I am sorry for that.

Whatever problems or mix ups occured between myself and Mike ten years ago are largely private and should maybe have remained that way.

I have Pm'd Mike and hope to resolve the issues that we had, I have no need to fall out with anyone on this site and just love being involved with working Whippets.

Forums like this are ideal places to pass on ideas, talk about things, share experiences and pass on opinions, people should be free to say within reason whatever they want without fear or trepidation, at the same time people have the right to be judged fairly and decently without offence.

If I have caused offence wrongly or been unfair then I am sorry.

Lets just talk about our Bloody dogs. :cheers:

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i agree...well said! :thumbsup:

 

[Strike Whippets]

I can see that I have caused a bit of a stir on what is normally a very calm and good natured site   There are many other working dog sites where this kind of argument is common place, the reason I enjoy coming on here is because of the lack of aggro!

I am sorry for any grief that I have caused and was only genuinely answering a question about an enquirey regarding Mike Brown.

With the benefit of hindsight my comments probably overstepped the mark and I am sorry for that.

Whatever problems or mix ups occured between myself and Mike ten years ago are largely private and should maybe have remained that way.

I have Pm'd Mike and hope to resolve the issues that we had, I have no need to fall out with anyone on this site and just love being involved with working Whippets.

Forums like this are ideal places to pass on ideas, talk about things, share experiences and pass on opinions, people should be free to say within reason whatever they want without fear or trepidation, at the same time people have the right to be judged fairly and decently without offence.

If I have caused offence wrongly or been unfair then I am sorry.

Lets just talk about our Bloody dogs. :cheers:

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