Neutering Baby Puppies??????????

[meddling]

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A friend in the village had decided that she wants a labradoodle! She's happy to pay a fortune for a mongrel for some reason!

She told me after lots of research she had found a breeder...then after close questioning :b she went on to toll enormous alarm bells in my head!

She first said that this 'breeder' would breed them whatever they liked, colour, size and coat wise!!!

Then went on to say that the pup would already be spayed or castrated when she got it at 2 or 3 months old!!!

I've never heard that this happens - it sounds so very wrong.

She has now cancelled her puppy booking as I was so concerned by this so called breeder

opinions please!!!

and anyone know of good, caring and ethical breeders of standard poodles? as she is looking at them now instead!

 

[sue burton]

A friend in the village had decided that she wants a labradoodle! She's happy to pay a fortune for a mongrel for some reason!
She told me after lots of research she had found a breeder...then after close questioning :b she went on to toll enormous alarm bells in my head!

She first said that this 'breeder' would breed them whatever they liked, colour, size and coat wise!!!

Then went on to say that the pup would already be spayed or castrated when she got it at 2 or 3 months old!!!

I've never heard that this happens - it sounds so very wrong.

She has now cancelled her puppy booking as I was so concerned by this so called breeder

opinions please!!!

and anyone know of good, caring and ethical breeders of standard poodles? as she is looking at them now instead!

get in touch with the standard poodle club they are very helpful so pleased youmanaged to talk her round

 

[jazad]

I think it is too young - but I think the RSPCA neuter at about this age too!

 

[bertha]

Terrible, what a thing to do to a puppy. I am pleased she has changed her mind and is getting a "proper" dog, not one of these designer dogs.

 

[FifeJillandIan]

I've often wondered why people go for labradoodles if they are allergic to normal dog hair and don't just go for the poodle instead - they look like wonderful dogs to me I do hope your friend finds a good breeder and the perfect pup for her :luck:

 

[beaker]

Ginni was speyed at 11 weeks old :rant: i was seething with rage when i found out, to do this to such an immature animal is robbing it of vital developmental hormones and risking it's long term health

 

[FeeFee]

A lot of American shelters neuter young pups before rehoming, and some rescue here have started doing this too.

I can well understand why, it's a nightmare for rescues to follow up and check that dogs have been neutered several months or a year later, and even harder to enforce neutering at that point if the owner is dragging their feet or decide it might be nice to have a couple of litters

There are quite a lot of studies on the effects of very early neutering, generally concluding that the effects on the dog's future development aren't particularly negative and it can in fact be preventive of some sorts of cancers developing in later life.

It wouldn't be my choice for a dog of my own, I'd prefer them to mature first, and I'm very surprised a breeder is neutering her pups so early, but for rescues it may sometimes be the best option.

 

[~Annie~]

A lot of American shelters neuter young pups before rehoming, and some rescue here have started doing this too.
I can well understand why, it's a nightmare for rescues to follow up and check that dogs have been neutered several months or a year later, and even harder to enforce neutering at that point if the owner is dragging their feet or decide it might be nice to have a couple of litters

There are quite a lot of studies on the effects of very early neutering, generally concluding that the effects on the dog's future development aren't particularly negative and it can in fact be preventive of some sorts of cancers developing in later life.

It wouldn't be my choice for a dog of my own, I'd prefer them to mature first, and I'm very surprised a breeder is neutering her pups so early, but for rescues it may sometimes be the best option.

Re. studies on the effects of early neutering ... I've read quite a bit of the vet literature re. this and there are as you say a range of pros and cons but any reduction in cancer risk is more than outweighed by other factors, e.g. poor bone density leading to increased risk of injury. Also these studies are not breed specific and they should be ... some breeds e.g. whippets mature later than others and have a low predisposition to e.g mammary cancer and a high predisposition to bone issues.

There's another thread on the subject of early spaying here.

Annie

 

[FeeFee]

Interesting, the studies I looked suggested that the effects on bone density were minimal - but you are right, I haven't seen any breed-specific studies, they were follow-ups from dogs who were neutered as puppies from American shelters and the majority were crossbreeds. I'd be more concerned about the effects on large/giant breeds than some others, but that's just my own opinion, I haven't seen any scientific evidence to back that up.

I wouldn't suggest for a minute that this is an ideal option for all dogs, and as I said, my own preference for my own dogs would be to wait until they were physically mature, but for rescues rehoming pups it is a real problem - you rehome one entire dog and stand the risk of creating a bigger problem with an unwanted litter, so on balance I don't think juvenile neutering is a bad option in those circumstances.

 

[Hula]

I think anyone breeding labradoodles is in it for the money therefore I can't think why they would be neutering the pups at all

 

[fallenangel]

I think anyone breeding labradoodles is in it for the money therefore I can't think why they would be neutering the pups at all

so nobody enar them breed labradoodles and take there market after all if someone is after one and see og and say are you breeding it they have to sqay no but here the adress /name of he breeder. thats why they do it

 

[Esty]

I was going to say the same thing as Wendy - they don't want competition on their doorstep. I'm quite outraged at doing this to young pups. I can't see how it wouldn't affect them in some way? If I get my two done it won't be before they are 18 months old because I would be worried about bone density among other things. It just seems wrong to do it before they are mature.

 

[eve]

I have been told tha in Australia, breeders are required to have puppies neutered before they are sold to their new families (unless being sold to a registered breeder or show kennel). People are also limited to owning 2 dogs unless they are a registered breeder.

I asked my vet who is an ausssie working over here and he confirmed this about the neutering. The says it is awful having to neuter a 4 - 6 week old pup.