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It is now 10 days since the programme was aired on the BBC and we have had the opportunity to think about it, discuss it and read comments, both by breeders and the pet buying public.

I personally think a crossroads has been reached in breeding pedigree dogs, I have avidly read all the articles in both Our Dogs and Dog World and whilst it is understandable that the Kennel Club and breeders are angry I found myself in complete agreement with the article written by Beverly Cuddy in Our Dogs.

I wondered if we could also send our thoughts on the way forward to the Kennel Club. I'm asking for thoughts and ideas that would ensure that a puppy with Kennel Club registration is as good it gets.

Everyone involved has a voice to be heard, lets see if we can make ours count.

Jenny
 
carnt the dogs be passported for breeding .ie dna tested for genetic faults and standard faults by a verified vet, if they fail they carnt get kc reg.pups.if it carnt be done by the kc then legislation could be used.the programme to me came over that the breeders own self interest came first way in front of the dogs. ££££££££ seemed to come over all the time esp. the kc club.the lady who bred the king charles was spot on.if all breeders were the same they wouldnt be a problem.
 
controversial said:
carnt the dogs be passported for breeding .ie dna tested for genetic faults and standard faults  by a verified vet, if they fail they carnt get kc reg.pups.if it carnt be done  by the kc then legislation could be used.the programme to me came over that the breeders own self interest came first way in front of the dogs. ££££££££ seemed to come over all the time esp. the kc club.the lady who bred the king charles was spot on.if all breeders were the same they wouldnt be a problem.
What would you do in a breed like American Cockers where there are no PRA clear lines in the breed and the gene pool is small?

I dont condone breeding dogs with illness but things are not always that simple
 
Happy Humber said:
controversial said:
carnt the dogs be passported for breeding .ie dna tested for genetic faults and standard faults  by a verified vet, if they fail they carnt get kc reg.pups.if it carnt be done  by the kc then legislation could be used.the programme to me came over that the breeders own self interest came first way in front of the dogs. ££££££££ seemed to come over all the time esp. the kc club.the lady who bred the king charles was spot on.if all breeders were the same they wouldnt be a problem.
What would you do in a breed like American Cockers where there are no PRA clear lines in the breed and the gene pool is small?

I dont condone breeding dogs with illness but things are not always that simple

Re American Cockers, with artificial insemination surely it is possible to find abroad new lines? Or do all the A Cockers in the world carrying PRA?
 
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Happy Humber said:
I think it is a wordwide problem :(
That's really awful, how can it possibly be bred out? In Mini Long Haired Dachs, they test them and (in theory) only breed from and use clear animals. The problem is as with all these ides, there are the general public pet breeders who know none of this.
 
bertha said:
Happy Humber said:
controversial said:
carnt the dogs be passported for breeding .ie dna tested for genetic faults and standard faults  by a verified vet, if they fail they carnt get kc reg.pups.if it carnt be done  by the kc then legislation could be used.the programme to me came over that the breeders own self interest came first way in front of the dogs. ££££££££ seemed to come over all the time esp. the kc club.the lady who bred the king charles was spot on.if all breeders were the same they wouldnt be a problem.
What would you do in a breed like American Cockers where there are no PRA clear lines in the breed and the gene pool is small?

I dont condone breeding dogs with illness but things are not always that simple

Re American Cockers, with artificial insemination surely it is possible to find abroad new lines? Or do all the A Cockers in the world carrying PRA?

Couldn't they outcross to English Cocker lines? Has the EC PRA free lines? I realise this is now a different breed but close enough surely where the eradication of a health problem is necessary. Of course the KC/AKC etc would have to approve the outcrosses and allow registration.
 
This goes back to what they were saying in the programme: if a breed is so riddled with serious genetic problems, is it fair to continue to produce unhealthy animals merely because we like the breed?

If the genetic disorder has serious consequences for the breed in question, then my answer would be no, dogs in pain and distress should not be continually bred in order to maintain a breed which is now genetically defunct.
 

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