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[Rob Rixon]

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Fighting Or Not

Some time back (I go back a long way) it was agreed that it was difficult to train people to be Disqualification Judges (Ian?) – because we have rules and then we are expected to read and apply them. What is fighting to one judge is only a bump to another. When A Disqualification Judge gets it wrong he/she can be over ruled by the Racing Manager – likewise the Racing Manager can (and has at a few clubs) disqualified a dog who was not flagged by the disqualification judges.

My opinion is that Lampy’s photos are very good and show dogs running. He generally sits at the end of the track and photographs the dogs face on, running towards him. And these tend to be the most spectacular.

The Photo in question is Race 6 a 20lbs Heat. I knew this from the off. The dog in Red is Janis’s Stripey Polly Pocket, the one in Blue is Jeanettes Fage’s ‘half coat’ Mies Van de Rohe – the other dog in the race is Roy Winrow’s Millipede (who does not appear in the Photos on the pages). NONE of the dogs in this race were disqualified and there was NO FIGHTING.

Nowhere in the thread did I write that the dogs were fighting. I was there and saw the race. However, every body it entitled to their opinion – even if you were not there and could not have seen the race. It’s a pity that some have assumed incorrectly that I must be causing trouble!

My point – I’ve been a member of K9 community since March 2001 (over eight years) and there used to be useful items and requests for information. Now member just slate others without any background. Now if Lampy put the whole sequence that he has on this race he could be proved once and for all that these racing dogs only bumped.

Now if a photograph of a race showed a problem that was not seen on the day - it may encourage some action. But the result has been given, so unluckily there may have been an injustice - not this race, not even this meeting.

 

[wild whippies]

So what was your point? (apart from annoying Lampy, because I certainly would be if I was him)

The fact the term fighting was used in the start of your topic was inciteful enough IMO and if you wanted open opinions on a race then you would of worded it in a manner so as not to hint at fighting as a possibility. i.e. ''what do you think is happening here'' etc.

I hope either your the owner of the dog or a dear friend of the owner because I'd be gunning for you right now if it was me. :angry:

 

[peppermint lady]

So what was your point? (apart from annoying Lampy, because I certainly would be if I was him)The fact the term fighting was used in the start of your topic was inciteful enough IMO and if you wanted open opinions on a race then you would of worded it in a manner so as not to hint at fighting as a possibility. i.e. ''what do you think is happening here'' etc.

I hope either your the owner of the dog or a dear friend of the owner because I'd be gunning for you right now if it was me. :angry:

i couldn't of put that better myself

I'm sure Janis is loving the fact that your picking over polly's race (still)....obviously i was not there :lol: i was at the NPWRA event (as i will be next week)

you started the thread and now your pointing blame at others... i think as neither dog pictured is yours then i cant see why you started the thread in the 1st place :wacko: as you have just said yourself you saw the race and no fighting occured....so what are you going on about :unsure: :unsure:

 

[Vicky]

Has someone at the event said that fighting did occur?

 

[bertha]

No, there was no fighting, it was just a question and people made what of they could. I don't think Rob intended to annoy anyone.

 

[CHRIS DOYLE]

Fighting Or Not
Some time back (I go back a long way) it was agreed that it was difficult to train people to be Disqualification Judges (Ian?) – because we have rules and then we are expected to read and apply them. What is fighting to one judge is only a bump to another. When A Disqualification Judge gets it wrong he/she can be over ruled by the Racing Manager – likewise the Racing Manager can (and has at a few clubs) disqualified a dog who was not flagged by the disqualification judges.

My opinion is that Lampy’s photos are very good and show dogs running. He generally sits at the end of the track and photographs the dogs face on, running towards him. And these tend to be the most spectacular.

The Photo in question is Race 6 a 20lbs Heat. I knew this from the off. The dog in Red is Janis’s Stripey Polly Pocket, the one in Blue is Jeanettes Fage’s ‘half coat’ Mies Van de Rohe – the other dog in the race is Roy Winrow’s Millipede (who does not appear in the Photos on the pages). NONE of the dogs in this race were disqualified and there was NO FIGHTING.

Nowhere in the thread did I write that the dogs were fighting. I was there and saw the race. However, every body it entitled to their opinion – even if you were not there and could not have seen the race. It’s a pity that some have assumed incorrectly that I must be causing trouble!

My point – I’ve been a member of K9 community since March 2001 (over eight years) and there used to be useful items and requests for information. Now member just slate others without any background. Now if Lampy put the whole sequence that he has on this race he could be proved once and for all that these racing dogs only bumped.

Now if a photograph of a race showed a problem that was not seen on the day - it may encourage some action. But the result has been given, so unluckily there may have been an injustice - not this race, not even this meeting.

Rob. (I have had to quote the whole of this text. The one sentence I would choose to highlight however is the last sentence of the penultimate paragraph) I have no wish to be proved one way or the other. Hey folks that inflamatory sentence pre supposes that I, (yes me ) has some sort of agenda. Someone tell me please, what planet is this man on?? He is causing trouble. The written word suggests that I Lampy have some axe to grind here. I have not!! .

 

[wild whippies]

Reading Bertha's comment that there's no axe to grind and trying to see exactly what Rob is getting at (presuming there is no other agenda)

Now if a photograph of a race showed a problem that was not seen on the day - it may encourage some action. But the result has been given, so unluckily there may have been an injustice

A snap shot would not show the whole story. Some dogs will retaliate to aggresion. If a photo was posted showing this then viewers would presume the victim to be the aggresor. Dog's will naturally look at a dog coming up from behind. I don't mean head turning, I mean eyeballing only. This could also be wrongly perceived as a fighter. Not sure about Lampy's but my camera does 10 shots per second. 1 or 2 piks will not give the whole story as I'm sure you can appreciate but also anything that happens long enough to be accurately judged on camera should equally be accurately judged by the line judges judging. The 2 should never be in conflict with one another unless the line judge isn't watching the race.

 

[Stripey]

In response to the above, and to the previous(now removed) topic I am in a position to provide the TRUE FACTS regarding Race 6. Three dogs entered the traps, the traps opened and Polly Pocket flew out about 2 yards ahead of the other 2. I spoke to the Chief Judge, Mark Etheridge, on the day and his record shows that Mies won the race "on the nod" and that he only just came in front of Polly Pocket on the finishing line. I have known Mark for 20 years and totally respect his judgement, he not only places the dogs, but also notes the distances between them. In this race the distance between 1st and 2nd place was 0. Mark is also fully aware of the rules regarding interference, which did not take place in that race. The pictures show the 2 dogs after the line, and although they are interesting they do not form part of the race. I am also surprised that so much fuss has been made of these pictures, there was a much worse one showing a dog on its back, the lure in another part of the picture, and 2 dogs poised above the supine dog's entrails. Why not pick on that one? Not a suggestion, just a rhetorical question. I hope that I have been able to draw a line under this whole topic, and that some lessons have been learned.

 

[Stripey]

OMG! I've just looked at the pic I mentioned above, the 4th pic on page 2 of Lampy's Champs pics and guess who is the poor dog on the ground ? It is Polly Pocket in race 45, with 2 perfectly well behaved genuine dogs. Puts everything in perspective.

 

[Dar Khan]

I Really do love the passion of the whippet owners !

 

[peppermint sue]

In response to the above, and to the previous(now removed) topic I am in a position to provide the TRUE FACTS regarding Race 6. Three dogs entered the traps, the traps opened and Polly Pocket flew out about 2 yards ahead of the other 2. I spoke to the Chief Judge, Mark Etheridge, on the day and his record shows that Mies won the race "on the nod" and that he only just came in front of Polly Pocket on the finishing line. I have known Mark for 20 years and totally respect his judgement, he not only places the dogs, but also notes the distances between them. In this race the distance between 1st and 2nd place was 0. Mark is also fully aware of the rules regarding interference, which did not take place in that race. The pictures show the 2 dogs after the line, and although they are interesting they do not form part of the race. I am also surprised that so much fuss has been made of these pictures, there was a much worse one showing a dog on its back, the lure in another part of the picture, and 2 dogs poised above the supine dog's entrails. Why not pick on that one? Not a suggestion, just a rhetorical question. I hope that I have been able to draw a line under this whole topic, and that some lessons have been learned.

well done Janice may be this sorry thread will go in the bin now :thumbsup:

 

[BlueNoise]

Janis what a good response :thumbsup: to this uncalled for thread

 

[Carol Brown]

Well done Janis, do these people not have a life.

Here's to constructive Whippet Racing