How do you feel about this? Would you rehome a pup to full time workers? We are about to begin planning a litter of pups from the Wire Vizsla and several enquiries have been from people who work f/t - our response to these enquiries have been a total NO..it doesnt always get a good response when we explain why. I see SOOOOO many pups through work that spend their days crated in the house whilst their owners work f/t - surely this isnt much of a life for a pup? I have to say i dont agree with any dogs being left for 8hrs + per day, but realise that people have to work and this does happen..i jsut personally wont sell a puppy into that situation. Any thoughts/opinions?
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generally for me it too would be a big no no to home a pup to anyone who works full time.
there are exceptions ie i know of a couple whos mum looks after the dog at her house when the owners are at work .
ive had people say they will "pop" home at dinner to let the pup out but its still on its own all morning and afternoon.
not only will the people get angry at the dog when they come home and its messed or trashed something due to stress and boredom but the poor puppy all alone for so long is wrong .
some people manage , if they have other dogs for instance it can work and if time / thought and effort by sensible / realistic people then im sure it could work out but personally i wouldnt ever home a dog if its to be left on its own all day .
there are exceptions ie i know of a couple whos mum looks after the dog at her house when the owners are at work .
ive had people say they will "pop" home at dinner to let the pup out but its still on its own all morning and afternoon.
not only will the people get angry at the dog when they come home and its messed or trashed something due to stress and boredom but the poor puppy all alone for so long is wrong .
some people manage , if they have other dogs for instance it can work and if time / thought and effort by sensible / realistic people then im sure it could work out but personally i wouldnt ever home a dog if its to be left on its own all day .
I wouldn't home a puppy to full time workers. Puppies are like babies and need someone around most of the time - apart from anything else I don't know how you'd ever manage to housetrain a puppy reliably if you aren't there to let them out regularly.
I hate the idea of any dog (puppy or adult) being shut in a crate for the whole day while people work, but puppies in particular need a lot of attention and interaction (which is probably why I don't 'do' puppies :- " ).
As a rescue the Oldies Club deal only with older dogs, some of whom will happily snooze most of the day while people are at work. Even so we don't rehome to people who are out all day unless they are home at lunchtime or have someone come in during the day. Eight hours + seems too long to leave any dog without some company and a loo break.
I know lots of people who work full time might want dogs, but it doesn't mean they should have them imo.
I hate the idea of any dog (puppy or adult) being shut in a crate for the whole day while people work, but puppies in particular need a lot of attention and interaction (which is probably why I don't 'do' puppies :- " ).
As a rescue the Oldies Club deal only with older dogs, some of whom will happily snooze most of the day while people are at work. Even so we don't rehome to people who are out all day unless they are home at lunchtime or have someone come in during the day. Eight hours + seems too long to leave any dog without some company and a loo break.
I know lots of people who work full time might want dogs, but it doesn't mean they should have them imo.
although i no longer breed when i did the first question i always asked was do you work full time?if the answer was yes then that was the end of the conversation as far as i was concerned.for all the reasons above and more.its just not fair on the pup and my first priority was the pups welfare not the owners wishes :thumbsup:
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Completely agree with you Kris , :huggles:kris said:
How can you house train a dog if you arnt there to do it . Ive let pups go to famililys who do shift work and that always seems to work well as far as I know . but as in all instances , the pups welfare is paramount
)We both worked full time when we got our first 2 dogs but they weren't puppies and were never left for more than 4 hours at a time as Gary works shifts. I think it depends on the circumstances, ie they may also work shifts, be able to take the dog to work, have a dog walker etc, but I'd never sell/re-home a puppy to someone that was going to go out and leave the poor thing for 8+ hours a day. Boring and lonely for the puppy. Say they get in from work at 6 and go to bed at 11 - it's only 5 hours company a day, and 19 alone. And what if they go out for the evening, get in late from work etc?
And what if they go out for the evening, get in late from work etc?We got Murphy and we both work full time. He was walked in the morning (or played with before he could go out), then we crated him for the morning, hubbie came home at lunch time to let Murph out for a wee, and i am home by 4, when he goes for another walk. Th only advantage has been that as I am a teachr I have been with Murphy during his most active puppy phase ((5-6months) and so have been around to let him run off steam. I think that as long as people are responsible, they should be allowed puppies while working full time. They can always get family to visit puppy during the day, or hire a dog walking service to let puppy out. My two sleep all day whether I am there or not, so where is the problem?
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ive gotta say no i wouldnt, the first few months are most important time for a pups training and socializing and i dont believe that it can be done properly if they r both in full time jobs. pass on the number of ur local rescue to them an older dog would be much more suitable.abbey said:
My honest opinion..i think it selfish to take on a puppy if you work f/t..you wouldnt leave a toddler alone for several hours left to his/her own devices..so why a pup..pups need guidance, socialisation and company. Most of the behavioural cases with pups i have seen recently are pups left alone for the vast majority of the day..in my personal opinion, this can lead to serious problems, hence the reason anyone working f/t will not get a pup. I'm sure your dogs are well looked after and they sound loved and cared for, i just personally wont breed and sell to people who arent around for a good part of the day to care for the pup.Jessr123 said:
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I dont feel there is a need to even try & explain, i think everyone has put across the point more than adequately, so my answer would always be NO, NO WAY :thumbsup:
i dont think pups should go to f/t workers,unless they are prepared to have someone go and let it out for exercise/pee,i think some adult dogs would however be ok eg a greyhound,ours sleeps on average 17-18 hours a day she wont even move for the hoover.the only time she moves is 8am when o.h walks her then snoring by 10-30,then again at feed time then at 7pm for another walk.no wonder she never won any races. :b
Lol @ gutsey!! I think its different with ault dogs, yes, in saying that i still wouldnt leave an adult dog all day on its own..some dogs never get the chance to go out for a walk/pee..i often ask these clients if they use the loo during the day..funnily enough they do..but their poor dog doesnt get the option.
A dog is not a toddler and so is not the same. Yes puppies need socialisation but why does this have to happen during the day. We socialise our puppy in the evening and early morning. The puppy simply has a different routine to someone who is home all day or works p/t. A puupy sleeps for 8 hours during the night, so why not sleep for that amount of time during the day and have a more active night?abbey said:
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Sometimes Marlene can manage 20 hours! and that's when I am at home. I have to move her bed into the garden so that she gets some fresh air. She is however wide awake at walk timesgutsey said:
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i know everything isn't black and white and one persons circumstances can be very different from the next but i would generally as a rule not home a puppy into an environment where it was going to be left to it's own devices, possibly crated, for up to six + hours in a day.
the pup is likely to have come from a highly social environment with it's Mum, siblings, breeder etc around to interact with, to take this pup and put it into what is essentially solitary confinement for much of the day can be nothing but detrimental.
solitary confinement for us and any other social creature is torture
yes, many pups cope and adapt but many more don't and end up rehomed with destructive anti-social behaviour cited as the cause. :angry:
i bred Ginni and she went to live in a family environment but after 6 months the family split and she ended up living in the house on her own for 23 hours in the day because the owner had to take a job away from home, with someone going in for one hour a day to feed and clean up after her.
He did the right thing eventually and brought her home to me but she was a very very messed up little girl who exhibited some extremely strange behaviour for a long time afterwards, quite frankly she would have been described as disturbed.
I know that this is an extreme example to use but if an owner does work full time as many have to, good provisions should be made for the pup during the day, e.g dog walker, sitter etc to ensure the mental well being of our beloved dogs :thumbsup:
the pup is likely to have come from a highly social environment with it's Mum, siblings, breeder etc around to interact with, to take this pup and put it into what is essentially solitary confinement for much of the day can be nothing but detrimental.
solitary confinement for us and any other social creature is torture
yes, many pups cope and adapt but many more don't and end up rehomed with destructive anti-social behaviour cited as the cause. :angry:
i bred Ginni and she went to live in a family environment but after 6 months the family split and she ended up living in the house on her own for 23 hours in the day because the owner had to take a job away from home, with someone going in for one hour a day to feed and clean up after her.
He did the right thing eventually and brought her home to me but she was a very very messed up little girl who exhibited some extremely strange behaviour for a long time afterwards, quite frankly she would have been described as disturbed.
I know that this is an extreme example to use but if an owner does work full time as many have to, good provisions should be made for the pup during the day, e.g dog walker, sitter etc to ensure the mental well being of our beloved dogs :thumbsup:
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I'm 99% certain that I would never have another pup. We both work full time but working slightly staggered shifts to each other (OH starts early and leaves early, I start later and come home later) so its not strictly full time. Our first pup was a breeze, she had one wee on her puppy pad in the morning, OH came home at dinner to take her out, then she slept all afternoon until he got back. After a while we could remove the pad and she would last, yes she did have accidents but we didn't mind. She was confined to the kitchen (not a crate) which is quite large.
Second pup, Lenny, different kettle of fish all together. He came to us at 5 months with fear and anxiety issues (which we didn't realise for a few weeks, there was no way that I was taking him back to where he came from). In hindsight, perhaps we should've rehomed him then, but we didn't and I'm glad we didn't now :wub: However, I realise that the reason we still have some problems now is probably due to the fact that we haven't spent as much time on him as we would've done if we had been home for more hours in the day. He's coming along now but I would never do the same thing again, its been a lot of hard work. He didn't stand much of a chance anyway seeing as his so called breeder never bothered to socialise him.
In addition to the behavioural issues, Lenny would find it great fun to shred the training pad and wee all over the cooker instead! I believe we only managed to train him out of this was by replacing the kitchen to get rid of his smell and start from scratch (we were going to replace it anyway thankfully otherwise we'd have just bought a new cooker ).
We have been lucky in that neither of our dogs have suffered from separation anxiety but I imagine that if they had suffered from it we would've been forced to rehome them.
If I was a breeder and people wanted a puppy whilst working full time I would say no. I would redirect them to one of the many rescue organisations as there are thousands of unwanted older dogs which may be suitable for full time workers. A lot of people do not realise just how many dogs are in rescues (including pedigrees if you really do want a certain breed), I certainly didn't (know about all the dogs in rescues), and if I had've done I would never have bought a puppy. Just my opinion :thumbsup:
I'd also like to add that we never go out in the evening during the week (unless separately) as it would be very unfair to leave a dog most of the day then the evening as well. They also get an hours walk morning and evening so they get the exercise they need. Sorry I've waffled :b
Second pup, Lenny, different kettle of fish all together. He came to us at 5 months with fear and anxiety issues (which we didn't realise for a few weeks, there was no way that I was taking him back to where he came from). In hindsight, perhaps we should've rehomed him then, but we didn't and I'm glad we didn't now :wub: However, I realise that the reason we still have some problems now is probably due to the fact that we haven't spent as much time on him as we would've done if we had been home for more hours in the day. He's coming along now but I would never do the same thing again, its been a lot of hard work. He didn't stand much of a chance anyway seeing as his so called breeder never bothered to socialise him.
In addition to the behavioural issues, Lenny would find it great fun to shred the training pad and wee all over the cooker instead! I believe we only managed to train him out of this was by replacing the kitchen to get rid of his smell and start from scratch (we were going to replace it anyway thankfully otherwise we'd have just bought a new cooker
).We have been lucky in that neither of our dogs have suffered from separation anxiety but I imagine that if they had suffered from it we would've been forced to rehome them.
If I was a breeder and people wanted a puppy whilst working full time I would say no. I would redirect them to one of the many rescue organisations as there are thousands of unwanted older dogs which may be suitable for full time workers. A lot of people do not realise just how many dogs are in rescues (including pedigrees if you really do want a certain breed), I certainly didn't (know about all the dogs in rescues), and if I had've done I would never have bought a puppy. Just my opinion :thumbsup:
I'd also like to add that we never go out in the evening during the week (unless separately) as it would be very unfair to leave a dog most of the day then the evening as well. They also get an hours walk morning and evening so they get the exercise they need. Sorry I've waffled :b
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I Myself am a occasional breeder and i work partime and my husband works full time.
our two puppies are kennel dogs they can get in and out of it wen they want and have the run of the garden. My two older dogs are indoor dogs they sleep under the duvet with me and follow me everywhere. Although i work from 2-10 everyday my dogs are walked and fed first thing in the morning individually too beacuse i have to show train them at the same time so this takes around 1 and a half hours my husband works from 9 am till around 5. When he gets home he then feeds they dogs and they come in for a while for some play time he then puts them back outside for another small feed. We have two small children and goats the goats are also fed in the morning and my husband takes the children down there when he gets home to spend some time with them. When i get home from work we have all the dogs in again for a play and a cuddle and they they have there usual feed befor bed and back out into the kennel/garden. Our puupies our always paper trained before they leave for there new homes and sometimes we are lucky enough to get the trained in the garden too. We dont let our puppies go till they are 12 weeks old as we like to keep them a while longer to train them and i also think the more time they spend with there mother and pack the better turnt out they become. Although we are very busy hard working people our dogs are well trained the puppies already heel at 5months and can stand and show. They never miss out on love and affection. I dont think you can rule out all potential new owners that work full time. Maybee you could disscusss there working hours with them and also remind them of how time consuming a puppy is and how it will affect their lives. Ask them to take a week to really think about if they want a puppy as it will grow up and become an adult and will be a part of there lives for around 15 years. Perhaps ask them who will walk the puppies train them ect and where the puppies will be kept ie do they have a suitable place for them to be when they are at work with shelter and water availible at all times. There are alternatives to crates and if a puppy is brought up on being left in a sutiable place they will never no any different. I think it all comes down to how responsable and committed the new owners are to training. Its a hard task to find suitable homes for puppies but it can be done. Our new owners have also taken 2 weeks holiday as suggested by us as breeders to settlle there new pups in perhaps you too could suggest they do this. Continuall contact is also made and we are always on the other end of the phone for help and advice make sure you make this clear to them. Also state that if there were a problem with the pup you will alway have the puppy back to remhome it to a more suitable family. We have only ever had one puppy back as the new owners had to move house and wernt allowed pets we rehomed the puppy called tommy and he is now 2 living with two part time workers. He lives not far from us so we still see alot of him Tommy is healthy, happy and loved. If however you do not think that they are committed enough for a puppy or that there working hours are too much then follow your heart and say thankyou but no thankyou. Not all full time workers are 9-5 some times its one 9-5 the other 6-10 ect or maybe they work 8-2 ect. There are days when im home for three days in a row as i work in community care on a shift run basis but the dogs routines are kept the same so not to upset them. I dont even think they realise in the house! lol
I wish you every luck with finding new potential owners and hope that this gives you some help :thumbsup:
our two puppies are kennel dogs they can get in and out of it wen they want and have the run of the garden. My two older dogs are indoor dogs they sleep under the duvet with me and follow me everywhere. Although i work from 2-10 everyday my dogs are walked and fed first thing in the morning individually too beacuse i have to show train them at the same time so this takes around 1 and a half hours my husband works from 9 am till around 5. When he gets home he then feeds they dogs and they come in for a while for some play time he then puts them back outside for another small feed. We have two small children and goats the goats are also fed in the morning and my husband takes the children down there when he gets home to spend some time with them. When i get home from work we have all the dogs in again for a play and a cuddle and they they have there usual feed befor bed and back out into the kennel/garden. Our puupies our always paper trained before they leave for there new homes and sometimes we are lucky enough to get the trained in the garden too. We dont let our puppies go till they are 12 weeks old as we like to keep them a while longer to train them and i also think the more time they spend with there mother and pack the better turnt out they become. Although we are very busy hard working people our dogs are well trained the puppies already heel at 5months and can stand and show. They never miss out on love and affection. I dont think you can rule out all potential new owners that work full time. Maybee you could disscusss there working hours with them and also remind them of how time consuming a puppy is and how it will affect their lives. Ask them to take a week to really think about if they want a puppy as it will grow up and become an adult and will be a part of there lives for around 15 years. Perhaps ask them who will walk the puppies train them ect and where the puppies will be kept ie do they have a suitable place for them to be when they are at work with shelter and water availible at all times. There are alternatives to crates and if a puppy is brought up on being left in a sutiable place they will never no any different. I think it all comes down to how responsable and committed the new owners are to training. Its a hard task to find suitable homes for puppies but it can be done. Our new owners have also taken 2 weeks holiday as suggested by us as breeders to settlle there new pups in perhaps you too could suggest they do this. Continuall contact is also made and we are always on the other end of the phone for help and advice make sure you make this clear to them. Also state that if there were a problem with the pup you will alway have the puppy back to remhome it to a more suitable family. We have only ever had one puppy back as the new owners had to move house and wernt allowed pets we rehomed the puppy called tommy and he is now 2 living with two part time workers. He lives not far from us so we still see alot of him Tommy is healthy, happy and loved. If however you do not think that they are committed enough for a puppy or that there working hours are too much then follow your heart and say thankyou but no thankyou. Not all full time workers are 9-5 some times its one 9-5 the other 6-10 ect or maybe they work 8-2 ect. There are days when im home for three days in a row as i work in community care on a shift run basis but the dogs routines are kept the same so not to upset them. I dont even think they realise in the house! lol
I wish you every luck with finding new potential owners and hope that this gives you some help :thumbsup:
No, i'm aware toddlers arent the same as puppies...my point is that animals or children need interaction and attention, saying they sleep for 8hrs over night isnt the same.Jessr123 said:
If you cope with your circumstances then great, all i'm saying is that i wouldnt home puppies to people who work f/t.
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