Qualifications for judging whippets in U.K.

[stephen mason]

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Could one of you experienced whippet people very briefly explain to me the qualifications necessary to judge whippets according to the Kennel Club rules. What practical experience is required? In addition approx. how many whippets are registered annually with the Kennel Club and, if handy, how many in the U.S.A? Thanking you . Stephen.

 

[JAX]

I Think you need at least one Breed Club show , 4 dogs in stud book , proof that you`ve attended breed seminars , Ring Steward Experience and gods know how many classes !! . You be better off ringing or writing to the KENNEL CLUB, STEPHEN

AND THAT WAS OF NO USE TO YOU WHATEVER WAS IT !!

 

[Karen]

Very hard to answer briefly Stephen, do you mean at Open Show level or Championship show level.

At OS you can be asked by any society or association and do 4 classes without any sort of expierence but above this amount you need to be on a Whippet club judges list. All the breed clubs have thier own set of criteria for judges, years in breed, how many dogs in the stud book and seminars attended. Some are easier than others to get on.

Ch S As above but also to be approved by KC. Number of classes judged, (far more) number of dogs judged, dogs in stud book, years in breed, seminars attended, KC exam rules and regs, KC video certificate on movement, stewarding record, and must be on at least three breed club lists at A2 (I think) and if going by the rules, be approved by the majority of the Breed clubs.

This is of course if you live here, Im not really sure about foreign judges. Sometimes they come here and have more dogs in one class than they have ever seen in thier own country.

I am sure that the KC will be glad to answer this for you.

 

[janfiers]

Shame on you Jax, and you giving tickets too! Good job there's Karen to tell us all what we need to do.

For foreign judges, I particularly know about ones from Holland and Belgium (I wonder why), they are not allowed to judge anywhere until they've taken a whole shed load of theory courses. If they do judge anywhere, even at a match meeting, before they've "qualified" they get struck off before they've even started. Probably explains why some of them don't the dogs' head from its a (oops) bum!

And before anyone gets uppity and thinks I am on about this years Crufts judging, I'm actually thinking about previous years judging when both judges were from abroad.

BTW, Did anyone see Lyn and Deedee's picture in the Daily Mirror today. It was brill. Pity it was in with a fairly large report about a Dobermann bitch that was alleged to have been knobbled. What is the world coming to? :wacko:

 

[BeeJay]

UK whippet registrations.

1994 - 1,481

1995 - 1,514

1996 - 1,747

1997 - 1,588

1998 - 1,619

1999 - 1,625

2000 - 1,686

2001 - 1,537

2002 - 1,823

2003 - 1,946

Incidentally 26 export peds were applied for in whippets last year.

 

[JAX]

Jan

I was passsed for tickets before all the rules changed about stewarding and completing assessments etc.

Mind you I had done 4 brred club shows and well over 200 classes!

There was a much better pic of Lynn and Dee Dee in Tuesdays Mirror

 

[playawhile]

And before anyone gets uppity and thinks I am on about this years Crufts judging, I'm actually thinking about previous years judging when both judges were from abroad.

Hi!

One of those judges that you must have in mind has judged the breed on several occasions in the UK (handing out CC:s) before Cruft's and he has also done our Skokloster show in Sweden (usuallly around 250 entries) as well as the world show. He has also judged huge breed specialties in the US and also Australia. Don't you think that he has experiance enough????

Henrik Härling,

Sweden

http://welcome.to/playawhile

 

[dessie]

I thought they were both 'top' judges and I think the entry spoke for itself!

 

[Vanna]

I'm not sure, but I have a feeling that an overseas judge is only approved to judge at Championship Show level in the UK if they are qualified to give equivalent awards in the breed in their home country.

 

[JAX]

I'm not sure, but I have a feeling that an overseas judge is only approved to judge at Championship Show level in the UK if they are qualified to give equivalent awards in the breed in their home country.

Quite right Vanna, I think both `oversea` judges did an excellent job , .( Mayzee got 2nd behind one of Patsy`s Champion s)

Just because they don`t always have the volume of dogs over there dosnt mean that their dogs are inferior ,

I remember when Frank Sampas judged the Hound show Bitches and I stewarded for him , he was quite taken back by the large entry , as Jan said they really dont always get so many , certainly not in 1 class , But he just needed more time to sort out the `wheat` from the `chaff ` so to speak,

I do think its wrong that we should have over seas Judges for Crufts though, We have so many home grown Judges of our own that may never get the chance to judge at what for me would be the `highlight ` of my judging career. ( and no I don`t mean me !! maybe when Im 70 )

What about all 3 of the Meakins for starter , but we all know that that is NEVER going to happen don`t we , Well, not while T T and Z T A are in the hot seat

v

 

[janfiers]

Henrik. all the experience in the world doesnt' count if you come across as arrogant and rude. We all pay an awful lot of money to get to Crufts and the judge should give each dog a fair appraisal.

Take Jax, for instance, as one of our Championship Show Judges, she is always polite, friendly and you feel as if you've had your money's worth regardless of whether you win or not. All the dogs are given the same appraisal and the exhibitors are respected for the fact that they have entered the show for her opinion. The judge to which I refer just didn't do that, which for me is inexcusable.

Consider this years judges, Marion Spavin is a very well known judge, who is quite forthright in her opinions, but is always mindful of the exhibitor when she is judging. The very successful bitch judge, also was mindful of the exhibitors, and he was very pleasant with it too.

To judge at Crufts is an honour and I agree that for this show, there are plenty of experienced people in the UK who deserve the opportunity of being in the centre of the green carpet.

Jax can have her soap box back now!

 

[Nightvision]

all the experience in the world doesnt' count if you come across as arrogant and rude.  We all pay an awful lot of money to get to Crufts and the judge should give each dog a fair appraisal.
The judge to which I refer just didn't do that, which for me is inexcusable.

I know who you are talking about and that judge is very "famous" about being rude to exhibitors. :angry: I know that there are many people who don't want to work with him in the ring, or show under him. Too bad that you had to bear him in so important show as Crufts is. But try to see the bright view, now you don't have to show under him anymore... :lol:

 

[Cartman]

Re. Comment by Nightvision.

I too know who the rude Judge is. I would only like to say this about him :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :ran

 

[playawhile]

Henrik. all the experience in the world doesnt' count if you come across as arrogant and rude.  We all pay an awful lot of money to get to Crufts and the judge should give each dog a fair appraisal.

Hi again!

I thought you were refering to the formal qualifications a person judging Cruft's ought to have. I did not understand you meant ring manners and I totally agree with you that when we pay alot of money we expact to be treated well and equaly by the judge.

Some ten years ago in Sweden I had an awful experiance by I well known UK whippet breeder and not just me as this person got more ruder as the day progressed.

Bad behaviour turns up everywhere, doesn't it??

Henrik Härling

 

[JAX]

Jax can have her soap box back now!

Gosh I feel as if maybe a HALO would be better !!

Thanks for that Jan ( I havnt got any judging appoiontments lined up you know!! :b )

I didn`t enter a dog that year you are on about so I really can`t comment , although I did watch his judging,

Fancy being FAMOUS for being rude to exhibitors ! Why dosnt someone do something about him?

I think if peps are paying good money to enter their dogs under you for your opinion the least you can do is be , polite , gentle with their dogs ( some are not!)and judge the dog on the day against the opposition, .

Dog showing, and judging should be a pleasure for both exhibitor and exhibit. when its stops being so , then give it up.

Some peps say I dont look as if I am enjoying myself in the ring at times , But I cant `concentrate and smile at the same time !! :b

:thumbsup:

 

[Nightvision]

Fancy being FAMOUS for being rude to exhibitors  ! Why dosnt someone do something about him?

Well, he is well known judge and people do respect him because of his knowledge. But his rudeness is a well known fact too. I don't know why nobody tells him to be nicer, maby they are afraid of him...

My sister once work under him in the ring and she sed that she will NEVER do that again... And I haven't made that mistake either. I haven't shown under him or work in his ring, and probably never will...

I agree with you that judge should be polite and nice to the exhibitors and also to their dogs. And It's nice to see that most of the judges really like what they are doing, and are friendly and polite to dogs and exhibitors.

 

[janfiers]

Just speaking as I find, Jax. But then you should know that. Gets me into trouble often enough.

What a way to have a reputation, I DON'T THINK.

To lighten things up a bit, I begin a four year stint (or should that be stretch?) as a Custody Visitor around our local constabulary's custody suites (they call them hotels) in April, but I'm sure I won't see any of you in there. That judge could do with a stint in one of them!

 

[Cartman]

:teehee: I dont have a problem with so called "locals" to judge Crufts. It is a show that many would only dream about judging. However, there ARE many many others just as responsable who could do just as good a job.

The postal system from England to Australia has a lot to answer for too. Each day as I check the mail, bills bills etc. No contract for Crufts :teehee:

 

[JAX]

Hi Cartman

Could you please give us your qualifications as to why you think you should be one of the `chosen` few :cheers:

Maybe you should send tickets to the Crufts selection committee . !! :thumbsup: :huggles:

 

[Cartman]

Jax. Are you saying that the Crufts selection committee is open to a bribe. Never in

all my days of showing have I heard of air line tickets being used for a bribe.

What happened to the good old days? The days where CASH ment everything. :teehee: