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I could do with some K9'ers advice please!!

I have an 8 month old whippet dog, who was bought as a pet.

But I thought I would have a go at showing him, and also my daughter thought it would be fun to have a go at junior handling him.(new hobby to us all !!)

One problem....... poor chap has only got one fully desended testicle , the other is palpable low in his abdomen , and the vet assures me that she is 99% sure that both will be in the right place by the time he is 18 months old (the one that is down still looks very small, compared to his brother!!)

So the question is........... do I show him knowing he won't get placed, but giving him (and me) experiance in the show ring, and also enabling my daughter to junior hanle him.Or do I not show him and wait and see if things ,fall in to place, but if that happens my daughter will have a very inexperianced dog to handle.

HELP....my hubby thinks I'm obsessed with dogs testicles. :blink:

 

[aslan]

I'm not sure about the UK but here in Australia dogs must have two fully descended testicles to be shown - as I understand it, if a judge finds one over the age of 6mths who doesn't have two testicles fully descended he/she is obliged to put him on report. Three reports and you're out.

If I were you I would wait. Hopefully it won't take him until he's 18 mths. I don't want to be a wet blanket but in my experience if they aren't down by the time they're 12 mths they aren't coming down. A lot of people I know would not give it that long.

I don't think there are monorchid or cryptochid classes in the UK either like there are in some European/Sandinavian shows?

Also dogs with only one or no testicles should not be bred on from. No-one consciously wants to breed on with a testicle problem.

Also if you bought the dog as a "pet quality" then the breeder deemed him not good enough for the ring (for whatever reason) and you should not show the dog without the breeder's permission. There is no rule that says you MUST ask the breeder but it is good manners. If they were an experienced show breeder they would have good reasons for not wanting the dog in the show ring and their reasons should be justifiable.

As far as getting some handling experience for your daughter - there will be whippet owners at shows who would be most obliging in allowing your daughter to handle their dogs in junior handlers and would also (most likely) give her some instruction as well. This is an ideal situation - giving an inexperienced handler an experienced junior handlers dog and a person with some knowledge to help guide her in her efforts.

 

[Millie]

There is nothing to stop you showing him but if I was you, I would find a good ringcraft class, where both pup and daughter can learn and have fun. If his bits do settle then they will both be ready for the show world :luck:

 

[saraquele]

you could also do companion and fun dog shows :thumbsup:

 

[JAX]

Fully agree with Aslan here ,

What part of the country are you in , maybe one of us can help . Companion shows are a great way of getting to `know the ropes ` without spending a fortune in entries . thats how I started :huggles: , many many years ago :blink: , they are so much fun too

 

[Cartman]

. thats how I started :huggles: , many many years ago :blink: ,

That was back when whippets were shown with only one or two names. Like Red Lady. :lol: Not long after this The Kennel Club started a register was started & a kennel prefix was used. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Back to the topic. I think it would be wise to listen to these people & start with the first steps & see if you "really" would like to take up the world of showing. Dont be put off with the testes thing. To me it is cut & dry. Use this dog to find out this is for you. If it is, get something you can be competive with.

Dont be put off also with all the information you are getting. Take it all in & take what is OK for you.

I was told that my first dog was no good. So to prove them all wrong I showed him, & yes he was 7mths & 1 nut wonder. Only one in his class & only 2 in the CC line up. The other one was CC I was awarded NO RES!!!!!!!! Did it stop me?? Will that dog never saw the ring again but pushing 40 years on I am still there.

Hope you give it a fair go & best of luck.

 

[05whippet]

I'm not sure about the UK but here in Australia dogs must have two fully descended testicles to be shown - as I understand it, if a judge finds one over the age of 6mths who doesn't have two testicles fully descended he/she is obliged to put him on report.  Three reports and you're out. 
If I were you I would wait.  Hopefully it won't take him until he's 18 mths.  I don't want to be a wet blanket but in my experience if they aren't down by the time they're 12 mths they aren't coming down.  A lot of people I know would not give it that long.

I don't think there are monorchid or cryptochid classes in the UK either like there are in some European/Sandinavian shows?

Also dogs with only one or no testicles should not be bred on from.  No-one consciously wants to breed on with a testicle problem. 

Also if you bought the dog as a "pet quality" then the breeder deemed him not good enough for the ring (for whatever reason) and you should not show the dog without the breeder's permission.  There is no rule that says you MUST ask the breeder but it is good manners.  If they were an experienced show breeder they would have good reasons for not wanting the dog in the show ring and their reasons should be justifiable.

As far as getting some handling experience for your daughter - there will be whippet owners at shows who would be most obliging in allowing your daughter to handle their dogs in junior handlers and would also (most likely) give her some instruction as well.  This is an ideal situation - giving an inexperienced handler an experienced junior handlers dog and a person with some knowledge to help guide her in her efforts.

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Yep it is the same over here Lana...I think it is the same the world over.

If a Judge cannot find "two" you will be asked to leave the class.

I agree with what everyone else says and find a good ringcraft class,these are invaluable with teaching a newbie the ropes - be it canine or human!! :thumbsup:

Lots of luck with your quest.

 

[jok]

I'm not sure about the UK but here in Australia dogs must have two fully descended testicles to be shown - as I understand it, if a judge finds one over the age of 6mths who doesn't have two testicles fully descended he/she is obliged to put him on report.  Three reports and you're out. 
If I were you I would wait.  Hopefully it won't take him until he's 18 mths.  I don't want to be a wet blanket but in my experience if they aren't down by the time they're 12 mths they aren't coming down.  A lot of people I know would not give it that long.

I don't think there are monorchid or cryptochid classes in the UK either like there are in some European/Sandinavian shows?

Also dogs with only one or no testicles should not be bred on from.  No-one consciously wants to breed on with a testicle problem. 

Also if you bought the dog as a "pet quality" then the breeder deemed him not good enough for the ring (for whatever reason) and you should not show the dog without the breeder's permission.  There is no rule that says you MUST ask the breeder but it is good manners.  If they were an experienced show breeder they would have good reasons for not wanting the dog in the show ring and their reasons should be justifiable.

As far as getting some handling experience for your daughter - there will be whippet owners at shows who would be most obliging in allowing your daughter to handle their dogs in junior handlers and would also (most likely) give her some instruction as well.  This is an ideal situation - giving an inexperienced handler an experienced junior handlers dog and a person with some knowledge to help guide her in her efforts.

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Yep it is the same over here Lana...I think it is the same the world over.

If a Judge cannot find "two" you will be asked to leave the class.

I agree with what everyone else says and find a good ringcraft class,these are invaluable with teaching a newbie the ropes - be it canine or human!! :thumbsup:

Lots of luck with your quest.

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I didn't think that was the case as you don't get told to leave if other things aren't to the standard :wacko: Still, learn somthing new...

 

[~JO~]

I'm not sure about the UK but here in Australia dogs must have two fully descended testicles to be shown - as I understand it, if a judge finds one over the age of 6mths who doesn't have two testicles fully descended he/she is obliged to put him on report.  Three reports and you're out. 
If I were you I would wait.  Hopefully it won't take him until he's 18 mths.  I don't want to be a wet blanket but in my experience if they aren't down by the time they're 12 mths they aren't coming down.  A lot of people I know would not give it that long.

I don't think there are monorchid or cryptochid classes in the UK either like there are in some European/Sandinavian shows?

Also dogs with only one or no testicles should not be bred on from.  No-one consciously wants to breed on with a testicle problem. 

Also if you bought the dog as a "pet quality" then the breeder deemed him not good enough for the ring (for whatever reason) and you should not show the dog without the breeder's permission.  There is no rule that says you MUST ask the breeder but it is good manners.  If they were an experienced show breeder they would have good reasons for not wanting the dog in the show ring and their reasons should be justifiable.

As far as getting some handling experience for your daughter - there will be whippet owners at shows who would be most obliging in allowing your daughter to handle their dogs in junior handlers and would also (most likely) give her some instruction as well.  This is an ideal situation - giving an inexperienced handler an experienced junior handlers dog and a person with some knowledge to help guide her in her efforts.

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Yep it is the same over here Lana...I think it is the same the world over.

If a Judge cannot find "two" you will be asked to leave the class.

I agree with what everyone else says and find a good ringcraft class,these are invaluable with teaching a newbie the ropes - be it canine or human!! :thumbsup:

Lots of luck with your quest.

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I didn't think that was the case as you don't get told to leave if other things aren't to the standard :wacko: Still, learn somthing new...

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I am sure you would not be asked to leave! Yeah you wouldn't get placed - or any placing witheld possibly - but it is only aggressive dogs that are asked to leave as far I know!

 

[jok]

I'm not sure about the UK but here in Australia dogs must have two fully descended testicles to be shown - as I understand it, if a judge finds one over the age of 6mths who doesn't have two testicles fully descended he/she is obliged to put him on report.  Three reports and you're out. 
If I were you I would wait.  Hopefully it won't take him until he's 18 mths.  I don't want to be a wet blanket but in my experience if they aren't down by the time they're 12 mths they aren't coming down.  A lot of people I know would not give it that long.

I don't think there are monorchid or cryptochid classes in the UK either like there are in some European/Sandinavian shows?

Also dogs with only one or no testicles should not be bred on from.  No-one consciously wants to breed on with a testicle problem. 

Also if you bought the dog as a "pet quality" then the breeder deemed him not good enough for the ring (for whatever reason) and you should not show the dog without the breeder's permission.  There is no rule that says you MUST ask the breeder but it is good manners.  If they were an experienced show breeder they would have good reasons for not wanting the dog in the show ring and their reasons should be justifiable.

As far as getting some handling experience for your daughter - there will be whippet owners at shows who would be most obliging in allowing your daughter to handle their dogs in junior handlers and would also (most likely) give her some instruction as well.  This is an ideal situation - giving an inexperienced handler an experienced junior handlers dog and a person with some knowledge to help guide her in her efforts.

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Yep it is the same over here Lana...I think it is the same the world over.

If a Judge cannot find "two" you will be asked to leave the class.

I agree with what everyone else says and find a good ringcraft class,these are invaluable with teaching a newbie the ropes - be it canine or human!! :thumbsup:

Lots of luck with your quest.

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I didn't think that was the case as you don't get told to leave if other things aren't to the standard :wacko: Still, learn somthing new...

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I am sure you would not be asked to leave! Yeah you wouldn't get placed - or any placing witheld possibly - but it is only aggressive dogs that are asked to leave as far I know!

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I thought that was the case :thumbsup: We don't have automatic disqualification for specific faults over here.

However, recently at a show i was at, the judge didn't check any of the male exhibits to see if they had two or not! :- "

 

[JAX]

Dogs without the 2 testies decended from the scrotum would not be asked to leave over here ) , but unless very much a baby( some do `lift `them up occasionally if unsure about showing IMO) I doubt wether the judge would place highly.

Only aggresive dogs would be asked to leave the ring :wacko:

 

[aslan]

I think the way our 'kennel club' views it is a lack of testes is not just a 'fault'. Two testicles fully descended are a prerequisite for showing... in every breed. If you don't have them you can't show.

In theory the whole aim of showing is to breed better dogs and there's no point having a Champion dog which 'can't' (read: should not) be bred from. (I realise that monorchids can produce). That's why we don't have breed classes for desexed dogs. They can't breed on and so therefore can't become champions. We have sweepstakes for them - but that's the only thing they can enter - they can't enter a breed class and be eligible for the CC.

And please before all the seasoned showies start champing at the bit - I know in reality there are Champion Dogs with two testicles that still should not be bred from and some that cannot produce, but that's the reality not the theory.

 

[05whippet]

Dogs without the 2 testies decended from the scrotum would not be asked to leave over  here )   , but unless very much a baby( some do `lift `them up occasionally if unsure about showing IMO)  I doubt wether the judge would place highly. Only aggresive dogs would be asked to leave the ring  :wacko:

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Well they are over here!! It happened very recently in the puppy class,so I can only go by what I have seen. :thumbsup: