Showing Straight Out Of Quarantine

[aslan]

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I've noticed (since I got Cash) how many people pick their dogs up from quarantine and go straight to a show.

I was told by the CCC (Qld) when I got Cash that I was not allowed to enter him in a show before he was out of quarantine and in my possession, and his papers had been re-registered. So effectively that made a month out of quarantine before he could go to a show and yet I've seen so many others go straight to a show from quarantine.

Was I given a bum steer ? Does anybody know the ruling?

 

[elmaro]

I have no idea Lana, but I suggest that it would be different based on the different states prehaps? In Victoria you can show puppies with "registration pending" but apparently you can't do this in Queensland as we had to wait until our dobe litter was registered before entering them at the Queensland specialty (they actually held the entrys open for us while we waited for registration certificates!!)

I'll be interested to see peoples responses who have imported in the past.

 

[Cartman]

I've noticed (since I got Cash) how many people pick their dogs up from quarantine and go straight to a show.
I was told by the CCC (Qld) when I got Cash that I was not allowed to enter him in a show before he was out of quarantine and in my possession, and his papers had been re-registered. So effectively that made a month out of quarantine before he could go to a show and yet I've seen so many others go straight to a show from quarantine.

Was I given a bum steer ? Does anybody know the ruling?

Qld has some odd rules. Maybe this is one of them I dont belive there is any restriction in Vic, SA or NSW.

Here you can enter babies without rego numbers but by show day you must provide them.

I can see nothing wrong with what they have done.

 

[aslan]

I wasn't having a dig at all Jon. I was just interested to know - because at the time I was told this by the CCC (and that's four years ago now) I thought to myself then that I was sure I'd seen people show dogs straight out of quarantine, in Queensland as well as elsewhere. And I remember very soon after I got Cash there was an import (not a whippet, something else) advertised as winning something somewhere the day after he got out of quarantine.

It matters not a jot now of course (to me or Cash) but I just think I got told a furfy. I was by no means intimating that Raymond and David had done anything wrong - it seems to me that it is RIGHT and I got told wrong, that's all.

 

[parnew]

Hey Lana,

Here in Tassie we had to wait for paper work before we could enter our girl, must vary from state to state.

Cheers Griff.

 

[seaspot_run]

I am kind of confused why a dog from a quarantine country (the UK) would need to be quarantined when arriving in Australia in the first place. I understand about the US dogs, since we DO have rabies here, but I thought the whole point of importing from a quarantine country to a quarantine country was to avoid having to go through quarantine.

Has this always been the case?

Karen Lee

 

[Cartman]

I am kind of confused why a dog from a quarantine country (the UK) would need to be quarantined when arriving in Australia in the first place. I understand about the US dogs, since we DO have rabies here, but I thought the whole point of importing from a quarantine country to a quarantine country was to avoid having to go through quarantine.
Has this always been the case?

Karen Lee

It has always been the case. Back a few years I think it was up to about 3 months. But I think the dollar had a lot to do with the now 28 days??? Quarintine stations were more common & now most are closed.

Even going back to the 60's, the Poms themselves were almost quarintined. They were hold in camps,lined up for meals etc. until they were given homes, jobs etc.

 

[GotWhippet?]

In the late 80's I imported 2 Newfs from the UK. The quarantine was more than the 28 days they have now. Expensive as well. Aiplane flights were alot dearer then.

Maybe have the quarantine still because of the tunnel to France? Don't dogs from Europe (which has rabies) travel in and out as long as they have a health ticket? I'm a bit grey in that area.

 

[fourpaws]

You need a pet passport to import to the UK otherwise they have to go into quarantine. We brought over a dog from USA but to avoid her having to spend 6months in quarantine kennels we housed her with someone in France for 6months and went to visit her regularly. She had to have the rabies shot and wait 6months despite regulary having these in USA where there is rabies. As soon as her 6months was up we fetched her over. Since then USA has been added to the passport scheme and they can have the rabies vaccination and serve the 6 months there and get the all clear and come over.

How does it work in Australia, if a UK dog has to do 28days how long for one from USA?

 

[Seraphina]

How does it work in Australia, if a UK dog has to do 28days how long for one from USA?

The quarantine rules do change according to prevalence of diseases, especially rabies. From USA the dog basically needs 7 months (as far as i know) of quarantine, however it does not have to be in Australia in the quarantine kennels. Seven months before the travel the dog has to start series of tests and vaccinations. It can come to Australia any time after 1 months after start of these tests, but if he arrives one month into these tests it has to spend the next 6 months in the quarantine kennels here. If he travels 2 months into the testing period, then he only has to spend 5 months in quarantine here etc.. Most people leave the dog in his country of origin for 6 months and then they only need to spend 28 days here in quarantine. But the 28 days is minimum, except dogs coming from NZ which do not need to go to quarantine at all any more.

The rabies vaccines are so good nowadays that to my knowledge there has not been one single case of rabies in a domestic dog for many decades in European countries where ALL dogs are vaccinated by the governments.

 

[Sarsanet]

How does it work in Australia, if a UK dog has to do 28days how long for one from USA?

The quarantine rules do change according to prevalence of diseases, especially rabies. From USA the dog basically needs 7 months (as far as i know) of quarantine, however it does not have to be in Australia in the quarantine kennels. Seven months before the travel the dog has to start series of tests and vaccinations. It can come to Australia any time after 1 months after start of these tests, but if he arrives one month into these tests it has to spend the next 6 months in the quarantine kennels here. If he travels 2 months into the testing period, then he only has to spend 5 months in quarantine here etc.. Most people leave the dog in his country of origin for 6 months and then they only need to spend 28 days here in quarantine. But the 28 days is minimum, except dogs coming from NZ which do not need to go to quarantine at all any more.

The rabies vaccines are so good nowadays that to my knowledge there has not been one single case of rabies in a domestic dog for many decades in European countries where ALL dogs are vaccinated by the governments.

Here in Oz quarantine, for the most part, is a governmental money making rort. A friend of mine has just bought in a 4 month old Deerhound form Scotland which had to be quarantined for 30 nights. At the same time there was a whippet from England also doing her 30 nights. In fact, the kennels were full of dogs who were there unecessarily as far as rabies was concerned & rabies seems to be the only disease the government is concerned with.

As for taking a dog straight from quarantine to the show ring IMO that's not a nice thing to do to the poor dog. Surely it can be taken home & given chance to settle in before it goes to a show.

 

[Ridgesetter]

In NSW you cannot enter any dog, including new baby puppies, without a registration number. The entry would be refused. I believe this is an ANKC ruling and not state based. As many of our cataloguers now link to the ANKC database, it is increasingly difficult to enter a dog with any wrong details (dob, rego number, owner, etc.).

As for quarantine, it is just beaurocracy. To send an Australian dog to NZ you have to have blood taken for a specific smear test for a disease from a tick that isn't even in Australia. The test is only done 2 days of the week in WA and takes about a week. The vets all agree that Ivermectin and Frontline would treat the disease - if it was here!!!!

I don't understand why Australian dogs have to do quarantine in the UK either. Again, someone making money out of us dog breeders and exhibitors.

As for showing straight out of quarantine, lots of dogs have come out of quarantine and gone to a show. Depends on the dog, depends on the age, depends if you've had lots of visiting time to bond, depends on the weather, depends whether it's a coated dog or not, depends on who the judge is, depends on the owner. Guess it just depends.

Cheers

 

[aslan]

As for taking a dog straight from quarantine to the show ring IMO that's not a nice thing to do to the poor dog. Surely it can be taken home & given chance to settle in before it goes to a show.

As for showing straight out of quarantine, lots of dogs have come out of quarantine and gone to a show. Depends on the dog, depends on the age, depends if you've had lots of visiting time to bond, depends on the weather, depends whether it's a coated dog or not, depends on who the judge is, depends on the owner. Guess it just depends

Sorry guys - just to clear things up again - I wasn't trying to stir up a hornet's nest - the above were not my issues. I was not asking for personal opinion on whether a dog should or should not be shown straight out of quarantine. That is a personal decision made by the owner (depending on all those things Toni mentioned) and I believe not my business.

I was just asking simply was it allowed - because I had been told by someone from the CCC that it WASN'T but it seems obvious that it IS, even in Queensland - according to some pm's I've received. It is clear to me now that I was not given the whole story from the guy at the CCC and I just accepted his word as gospel.

Now when the time comes for me to import my next dog :lol: I will be wiser.

 

[Seraphina]

Here in Oz quarantine, for the most part, is a governmental money making rort. A friend of mine has just bought in a 4 month old Deerhound form Scotland which had to be quarantined for 30 nights. At the same time there was a whippet from England also doing her 30 nights. In fact, the kennels were full of dogs who were there unecessarily as far as rabies was concerned & rabies seems to be the only disease the government is concerned with.

Australia has always been very cautious about bringing in diseases. If you look at the AQIS site you will see the dogs need to be tested for number of other diseases, not just rabies. As dogs coming to Australia, or going the other way, land in number of countries where these diseases exist there is a chance, albeit minuscule of the dog catching something. While UK is officially rabies free country there is always the possibility that an animals infected with rabies would be brought in illegally from Africa.

I remember times when the quarantine from UK was 6 months, and to get dog from Europe meant for it to spend whole year in UK quarantine kennels, then another 4-6 months here. And in those time you were allowed only one hour visit per month!!!!

I think a 1 month quarantine, with visiting rights every working day is perfectly acceptable.

 

[jayp]

How does it work in Australia, if a UK dog has to do 28days how long for one from USA?

The quarantine rules do change according to prevalence of diseases, especially rabies. From USA the dog basically needs 7 months (as far as i know) of quarantine, however it does not have to be in Australia in the quarantine kennels. Seven months before the travel the dog has to start series of tests and vaccinations. It can come to Australia any time after 1 months after start of these tests, but if he arrives one month into these tests it has to spend the next 6 months in the quarantine kennels here. If he travels 2 months into the testing period, then he only has to spend 5 months in quarantine here etc.. Most people leave the dog in his country of origin for 6 months and then they only need to spend 28 days here in quarantine. But the 28 days is minimum, except dogs coming from NZ which do not need to go to quarantine at all any more.

The rabies vaccines are so good nowadays that to my knowledge there has not been one single case of rabies in a domestic dog for many decades in European countries where ALL dogs are vaccinated by the governments.

Here in Oz quarantine, for the most part, is a governmental money making rort. A friend of mine has just bought in a 4 month old Deerhound form Scotland which had to be quarantined for 30 nights. At the same time there was a whippet from England also doing her 30 nights. In fact, the kennels were full of dogs who were there unecessarily as far as rabies was concerned & rabies seems to be the only disease the government is concerned with.

As for taking a dog straight from quarantine to the show ring IMO that's not a nice thing to do to the poor dog. Surely it can be taken home & given chance to settle in before it goes to a show.

I agree Gail, poor dog, thoughtless new owners

 

[GotWhippet?]

The quarantine is a bit of a joke really. I remember taking my first import into the grooming room on a visit. There was dog fur all over the place and the hydrobath still had old water from the previous dog in the catchment part (wasn't even emptied).

There is no "real seperation". The exercise area is the same one all the dogs use (albeit different times) but there was poop still in the exercise area from previous dogs.

I'm pretty sure NZ have a "house quarantine" where the dog is an area on your own property and isn't allowed to leave or be with other dogs for the quarantine period. Wish they had that here for dogs from non-rabies countries.

 

[Illicium]

I haven't lurked on K9 for days and then I come in to find a topic near and dear to my heart, Quarantine, ripper!

Lida is correct in identifying that there are other diseases of quarantine concern apart from Rabies. Brucellosis, Leptospirosis, Leishmania just to name a few and whilst you can vaccinate, issues may arise with different strains.

Australia and New Zealand have some of the best quarantine protocols and procedures world wide and together with our location (countries girt by sea) we have been able to prevent the arrival of many diseases. Our animal quarantine is a cost recovery, user pays program however the reality is that we seldom cover costs and often run at a loss. To describe us as a governmental money making rort could not be further from the truth, we are protecting your way of life.

Its disappointing to hear the experience of Gotwhippet? in a quarantine facility but unfortunately many importers visiting their animals do not follow the hygiene practices we strive to maintain (they are too pre-occupied trying to identify each others import, many have we busted taking photos - they look so surprised when they get caught but the smile quickly fades when we delete all the files off their camera and send them on their way). It's a fact, people don't pick up after their dogs, we all see this everywhere. Perhaps rather than complain be pro-active and speak to the manager of the facility or request a feedback form and you can remain anonymous. Things can't be fixed unless we know about them and client satisfaction is important to us.

Since the outbreak of EI many sections of AQIS have been audited and there is more to come, so as to verify we are doing our job correctly. Spotswood staff (who incidentally are Misty's biggest fans) passed with flying colours and whilst our resources may be limited we are able to provide a service that is managed to an acceptable level of risk.

To use the words of our late Steve Irwin - Quarantine Matters! (though we cant use that campaign now he is deceased .... bugger!)

 

[GotWhippet?]

I haven't lurked on K9 for days and then I come in to find a topic near and dear to my heart, Quarantine, ripper!
Lida is correct in identifying that there are other diseases of quarantine concern apart from Rabies. Brucellosis, Leptospirosis, Leishmania just to name a few and whilst you can vaccinate, issues may arise with different strains.

Australia and New Zealand have some of the best quarantine protocols and procedures world wide and together with our location (countries girt by sea) we have been able to prevent the arrival of many diseases. Our animal quarantine is a cost recovery, user pays program however the reality is that we seldom cover costs and often run at a loss. To describe us as a governmental money making rort could not be further from the truth, we are protecting your way of life.

Its disappointing to hear the experience of Gotwhippet? in a quarantine facility but unfortunately many importers visiting their animals do not follow the hygiene practices we strive to maintain (they are too pre-occupied trying to identify each others import, many have we busted taking photos - they look so surprised when they get caught but the smile quickly fades when we delete all the files off their camera and send them on their way). It's a fact, people don't pick up after their dogs, we all see this everywhere. Perhaps rather than complain be pro-active and speak to the manager of the facility or request a feedback form and you can remain anonymous. Things can't be fixed unless we know about them and client satisfaction is important to us.

Since the outbreak of EI many sections of AQIS have been audited and there is more to come, so as to verify we are doing our job correctly. Spotswood staff (who incidentally are Misty's biggest fans) passed with flying colours and whilst our resources may be limited we are able to provide a service that is managed to an acceptable level of risk.

To use the words of our late Steve Irwin - Quarantine Matters! (though we cant use that campaign now he is deceased .... bugger!)

I was proactive and complained. It wasn't recent, it was 20 yrs ago.

 

[05whippet]

I am assuming then that quarantine exists still in Australia because it is not a direct flight?? (I did read what Illicium said about other issues arising from other diseases that can be vacc'd for,but I am also assuming that other rabies free countries (as in Bermuda,Southern Ireland & the UK) with direct flights to them don't have quarantine?) I exported a pup out to Bermuda (they are rabies free too) from England (we live in Northern Ireland) and she did'nt have to go into quarantine we just had to make sure that she was fully vacc'd & rabies innoculated etc,etc but the flight was a direct one with no setting down in any other country,that is why she had to go from the mainland and I had to fly her over to there initially as the flight from the South of Ireland with the shipper that I would usually use when exporting (Continent) was not a direct one and would've had to stop over in the US which does have rabies,so Bermuda would not allow that.

 

[Seraphina]

I am assuming then that quarantine exists still in Australia because it is not a direct flight?? (I did read what Illicium said about other issues arising from other diseases that can be vacc'd for,

The reason is simply that Australia is so big that if something like rabies got here it would be impossible to eradicate. Agriculture is a large part of Australian exports, and introduction of any animal disease would cost the farming sector dearly. Not to mention how it would affect wildlife. As far as vaccination goes; NO vaccine will work 100% on 100% of population; if it did there would be no diseases.

Animals traveling from Australia to other countries have often 30 days "home quarantine", which is more for their own protection. After the stress of the journey and then being exposed to slightly different strains of bugs than they are used to. My dogs were required "to be kept away from other dogs for 30 days" when we moved to Europe.

There are different rules for dogs coming to Australia depending what category the country of origin belongs to. That varies from countries where rabies are not controlled = Africa, parts of Asia, Russia and some other parts of the former Soviet Union, and it is prohibited to bring animals directly from these countries. On the other end of the spectrum are countries declared rabies free, from which it is relatively easy to bring dog over.