Starting Racing Pups On Lure

[billyboy45]

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I dont usualy start my pups till about 10 months for bitches and maybe a bit more for dogs.Same with lamping.Is it just me, or does anyone else think the same,as there are pups racing by 10 months.Surely they're not ready till their wee joints and bone's are up for it.I do know from experience that some are ready long before others,and some say that the pup will let you know when its ready.But as a rule of thumb,what age do you think. ...Billy...PS. I dont mean the odd 50 or 100 yrd now and again.I mean training n racing.

 

[sherry]

I dont usualy start my pups till about 10 months for bitches and maybe a bit more for dogs.Same with lamping.Is it just me, or does anyone else think the same,as there are pups racing by 10 months.Surely they're not ready till their wee joints and bone's are up  for it.I do know from experience that some are ready long before others,and some say that the pup will let you know when its ready.But as a rule of thumb,what age do you think.  ...Billy...PS.  I dont mean the odd 50 or 100 yrd now and again.I mean training n racing.

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well i think every dog is different and it depends on the size of the dog imo. but i wud personally wait till it was @ least 6 months b4 it was even handslipped. it is one of the rules @ the rising sun wrc that a dog must b 6 months old b4 it can be handslipped trialled etc. a few years ago a guy had the litter sister to mine (whizziwig) and @ the age of 5 months old or just over he decided to give her all the way not just a hand slip actually all the way and the pup broke its back took the vets and put to sleep. so from then on the rule was brought in that pups must b 6 months b4 any racing @ all and since i took over the club i kept this rule and its worked well. but like i say every dog is different and if someone came to our club and cudnt have a run whose to say it wudnt go somewhere else and have a run? id say we prob start about 7 to 8 months with handslips and gradually build up from there to normally b racing by about 11 to 12 months old amybe a bit sooner for say a 20lber,

 

[Tony Taylor]

Depends on the size of the dog, what sex it is, how far you're intending to run them, and how "balanced" the pup is when you watch it running

I don't see any harm in 5 or 6mth dogs having a short 20yd look at a lure just to get them interested in it. If they are keen you can leave it at that until they're older but if they're shy you can continue to let them run at it as they're not going to try too hard. there's a difference between training for the lure and training for speed.

Little whippets can be at adult fitness before 12mths but a big ghd x scratch racer will be 2 yrs old before it's an adult. I'd say bitches mature a bit faster than dogs.

The main thing is to see how the dog is running. If it's clearly losing it's legs when running I wouldn't run it behind a lure. I'm a believer in free running and all mine, pups and adults are exercised off lead. I believe it strengthens all muscle groups which helps prevent injury and stops them over running themselves out of excitement. Just watching them free run can give a good indication as to when they're ready to run behind a lure properly.

 

[milly]

Spot on Tony, I see you've been reading my training book

 

[milly]

Looks like I'm not the only night owl

 

[kate lynch]

i dont agree with everything whats said.i think 5 1/2 month old pups are far too young to be training.they aren;t even formed properly and havent muscled up yet.free play is great for them as this will help them along.my big dog [Dennis 46lb]didn;t start training till he was 11 months old.my pup is six months old and we haven;t even started with him but he is 32lb and leggy,so we will take our time with him.we have seen lots of pups hurt themselves because they were tried too early.jmo :luck:

 

[jasper.]

i agree with tony, but dogs that are racing or trailing before there growth plates have grown out on there legs, are at a very high risk,,, so the age you start them, is often a case of how much of a gamble you are willing to take... you can start them early, and do ok,. or you can start them early, and be very regretfull about it... or you can just wait a while..

 

[simpson]

personally i wouldnt start a pup till it was at least 11/12month old theres no rush is there????????? :cheers:

 

[unwanted]

i would not set a pup off any size till it was 8 months + seen to many people tryin to set them off to early and basically f..kin them up for the sake of a few months or tryin to get them ready for some open

 

[billyboy45]

I think people will probibly see by now that the reason i started this thread was because i was concerned that PEONY might be starting Archer a bit young.I would like to assure PEONY that i meant no harm,and thought this would be a very good way of getting her as much good advice as i possibly could.It seems that most people have different views on this subject,but that most also agree that 8 or 10 months is about the time to start a pup,and as Peony is completely new to the racing side of things,i am only trying to help her develop this pup into what he was bred for with the least problems and injuries possible.And as i am the breeder of Archer,i would realy love to see him reach his full potential as a racing dog.As i think he should be pretty decent,going by the rest of the litter,and by what he looks like already at still under 5 months.Im only able to give my opinion here and i think that between that strong head,neck and feet,there's a lot of growing and developing to still take place.So as she has asked for advice i am trying through this thread to get her as much as possible,without meaning to cause offence.Sorry if it seems that way Caroline. Only best intentions meant. ...Billy...

 

[sharon whincop]

At dawdon I won't do the lure for any pup under 8 months. If people want to do it then they do it them selves. The reason someone give there 6 1/2 month 30lb+ pup 20yds 1 week and he chased great going in really hard. The next week he was walking down the track with the lure when he got to 60yds I asked how far he was putting his pup the answer was ok here then. The pup did run well but again went in hard.And then I got told it had nothing to do with me how far his dog ran. Because I was running 1 of my pups but my pup is 6 weeks older not going as far and only weigh's 18lb. I do have one out of the same litter and because of his size I won't run him till he's 10 month's and even then if he's ready. so I made the disision not to do the lure for pup's under 8 month's. It's always the lure driver that gets the blame when the pup hurt's it's self. And not the owner running it to soon.

 

[maz40]

ps not me by the way got a little more sense than to do that

 

[decca]

shay is doing 30yds hand slip at 6 month & chasing done it no problem seans over the moon with him

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[Paws123]

All dogs are different plenty free running to make sure they have the legs together, before slipping behind a lure....I never push my young dogs (its not good puppy's you want it good adults)

 

[DavidH]

i get mine checked around 11 month if they set up start schooling,not until.

thats why you see loads of pups but not many racing people knack them

everybody has there own idea,but 6 months they still pupsand growing.

puppy racing should be done away with .and call the yearlings puppys then people wouldnt rush there dogs to race under 1 year old.

ask the people who check your dogs.

go with kate on this one :thumbsup:

 

[sherry]

All dogs are different plenty free running to make sure they have the legs together, before slipping behind a lure....I never push my young dogs (its not good puppy's you want it good adults)

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totally agree with denise i want nikki a bit more free running b4 chasing the lure b @ least another month i think as her knuckles r still a bit bumpy theres a bit more growing there yet lol mind she has her legs fine free running but thats a bit different to racing isnt it?

 

[JOHNG]

every body as there own methods of training pups i personally don't free run mine never have done and never will,i was told years ago by an old greyhound man a puppy runs blind and does'nt see dangers and thats when they can do themselves a lot of harm. )

it's worked for me over the years :- " )

 

[milly]

every body as there own methods of training pups i personally don't free run mine never have done and never will,i was told years ago by an old greyhound man a puppy runs blind and does'nt see dangers and thats when they can do themselves a lot of harm. )
it's worked for me over the years :- "  )

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Is this why you was always late for school John, wouldn't run that last 100yrds before the bell went

 

[JOHNG]

every body as there own methods of training pups i personally don't free run mine never have done and never will,i was told years ago by an old greyhound man a puppy runs blind and does'nt see dangers and thats when they can do themselves a lot of harm. )
it's worked for me over the years :- "  )

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Is this why you was always late for school John, wouldn't run that last 100yrds before the bell went

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geoff i was never late for school because i never went :lol: :lol:

 

[milly]

every body as there own methods of training pups i personally don't free run mine never have done and never will,i was told years ago by an old greyhound man a puppy runs blind and does'nt see dangers and thats when they can do themselves a lot of harm. )
it's worked for me over the years :- "  )

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Is this why you was always late for school John, wouldn't run that last 100yrds before the bell went

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geoff i was never late for school because i never went :lol: :lol:

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Em oot :blink: