Stud Fees

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This caught my eye on Champdogs - has anyone come across this in Whippets?

A relative of mine has just had her bitch mated but its a very strange agreement to my mind, has anyone ever heard of it?

She had her bitches hip and eye scores done, both returned fine, her bitch came into season so she contacted the stud owner and took her bitch round to be mated, (not sure what day she was on?), having had her bitch injected with antibiotics in case she carried any infection, at the stud owners request!? my relatives partner held the bitch and the stud owner held the dog and guided him!!

They were charged £110 for this service, offered no return mating and told that the further fee of £55 per puppy would be payable up to 8 pups? Is this normal, I am most surprised at no return visit.

 

[mally]

This caught my eye on Champdogs - has anyone come across this in Whippets?
A relative of mine has just had her bitch mated but its a very strange agreement to my mind, has anyone ever heard of it? 

She had her bitches hip and eye scores done, both returned fine, her bitch came into season so she contacted the stud owner and took her bitch round to be mated, (not sure what day she was on?), having had her bitch injected with antibiotics in case she carried any infection, at the stud owners request!? my relatives partner held the bitch and the stud owner held the dog and guided him!!

They were charged £110 for this service, offered no return mating and told that the further fee of £55 per puppy would be payable up to 8 pups?  Is this normal, I am most surprised at no return visit.

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There having a laugh, i certainly wouldn't give my bitch an antibiotic injection just proir to a mating imo it's just asking for trouble and it may effect the bitches fertility.

I would only pay a stud fee, i wouldn't pay a fee then have to pay £55 per pup thats very unusual.

surely the owners of the bitch should have sorted these details out well before mating ?????

 

[dolly]

I Have heard that £100 for the mating and £50 per puppy born :- "

but im sure this was not in this country :- "

The injection i think is the herpes jab, which if the bitch is has got can also make the stud dog sterile, it happened to one of the top beagle kennels about 8 years ago, now they insist that the bitches are injected.

 

[dana]

ive never heard of this mate, im not a breeder so im sure others out there will know better than me but i always thought it was a fee or pick of the litter and if she dont catch on the first mating they will mate till she dose. as for an extra £50 per pup its gonna cost more to breed her than the owners can make back once u take vets fees into consideration!

 

[storm1]

USUALLY STUD FEES ARE A FIXED PRICE

NEVER HEARD OFF PAYING MORE EACH PUP AFTER THAT

HAS FOR GIVING ANTIBIOTICS BEFORE MATING YES THIS IS DONE

BECAUSE SOMETIMES WHEN A BITCH BREAKS DOWN SOME HAVE INVECTIONS

AND FAIL TO GET PREGNANT

YOU CAN GET SYLONOX FOR THIS AND WORKS WELL WITH THIS PROBLEM :cheers:

 

[05whippet]

It does seem a rather strange way of working? I do know that some stud owners work on a deposit paid at the time of mating and then the rest to follow when the pups are born but it is usually a previously determined amount and not per pup.

As for the injection,well it happens in mares too,they get swabbed to test for any infections as Storm1 said it can cause the mare or in this case bitch to "slip" or even in severe cases, as Dolly has stated, it can effect the fertility of the stallion or dog,altho that said I don't personally know of anyone in the dog world who insists on this injection.

I wonder why the £55 is only payable per pup up to 8? What happenss if heaven forbid she had 12??? And I wonder what the breed is?

 

[~elizabeth~]

Herpes is a virus and so antibiotics would be of no use in its control but there does appear to be new vaccine for it.

CHV info

 

[05whippet]

Herpes is a virus and so antibiotics would be of no use in its control but there does appear to be new vaccine for it.
CHV info

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Maybe the person who placed the questions on champdogs about her relative's bitch made a mistake,maybe it was'nt an anti-b jab but a anti-herpes one? Are these available for bitches yet? we have them for the mares. Or maybe it was'nt to control herpes but some other problem or infection??

 

[Vicky]

Think i'd be telling them to stick it, but then i suppose it depends on how much you want a pup from that particular dog.

I don't think asking for the jab is out of order.

 

[chelynnah]

OK just playing devil's advocate here (and actualy I think it's ridiculous so please don't think I'm agreeing with the payment method)

What is the going rate for stud fees then. If in some breeds it's a pick puppy or same as a price of a puppy then we can safely assume an average of £500 or more depending on the breed and what they go for...

£55 per pup up to a maximum of 8 pups would be a maximum payment of £440, plus the £110 would be a maximum stud fee of £550. Now if this is close to the cost of a pup in that breed (or maybe even less) is that unreasonable? And if they don't have that many pups then they're better off. What if they'd paid £500 for the stud fee and only had 4 pups? On this method of pay 110 plus x for each pup they'd actually be in a better position than if they'd have paid a £500 stud fee up front.

Just a thought....

Like I said, I'm not sure I actually agree with the method, but I can see some positive to it as long as it's made known up front...

Wendy

 

[unwanted]

What is the going rate for stud fees then. If in some breeds it's a pick puppy or same as a price of a puppy then we can safely assume an average of £500 or more depending on the breed and what they go for...QUOTE now this i have heard of think its wrong but saying that some of the prices people are asking for pup is out of order.at least dick turpin had the dignity to wear a mask.but as iv been told there is no money in breeding dog (bollox)is the correct answer to that.if a man/woman pays £50-£100 stud fee and the bitch as 6 pups at £500 each. thats £2950-£2900- taking stud fee off. give or take feeding and every thing.ye and there is no money off breeding.these people are a joke.or in my term TAKING THE P-SS. :- " :- " :- " :- "

 

[fra]

This caught my eye on Champdogs - has anyone come across this in Whippets?
A relative of mine has just had her bitch mated but its a very strange agreement to my mind, has anyone ever heard of it? 

She had her bitches hip and eye scores done, both returned fine, her bitch came into season so she contacted the stud owner and took her bitch round to be mated, (not sure what day she was on?), having had her bitch injected with antibiotics in case she carried any infection, at the stud owners request!? my relatives partner held the bitch and the stud owner held the dog and guided him!!

They were charged £110 for this service, offered no return mating and told that the further fee of £55 per puppy would be payable up to 8 pups?  Is this normal, I am most surprised at no return visit.

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:thumbsup: Was the stud dog a greyhound Derby Winner? (Thats a joke)

Thats a disgrace if you ask me an extra £55 per pup.

 

[kris]

ive had well used stud dogs in a couple of breeds and ive helped out with dozens of matings with maiden dogs and bitches for various friends over the years.ive never heard of paying extra for pups born.i used to charge a stud fee and gave a free mating if the bitch didnt catch.but a lot of folk dont realise the stud fee is payable for the act of mating.if the bitch has pups fine,but thats nothing to do with the stud dog owner.you are paying for the SERVICE not for pups. ive heard of the injection before though for preventing infections.

 

[sighthoundlover]

That is rediculous, never heard of it. You pay a stud fee, that's it. I charge £100 for stud, the bitch comes back for a second go (free) if the owner so wishes. £55 a pup is a rip off, no way, a con if you ask me. :angry:

Regarding the injection, i think your find it was the canine herpes, all my bitches have it before having pups. 1 inj 7 days after mating and 1 inj 2 weeks before due to whelp. )

 

[wild whippies]

TBH I think the stud owners sailing into dangerous territory by charging per pup. There could still be pups with FPS, they might grow up with a defect / congenital problems later on and to charge for each pup produced seems to me like your paying for the quality of the pup produced. For example, if a male pup was sold for say show purposes and it's testicles were undescended, it is possible that the breeder is liable to reimburse the owner as the dog is not fit for purpose. (especially if they knowingly did this and failed to inform the buyer) I would be concerned as the stud owner that I too could be liable for such reimbursements.

I certainly don't think it's wrong for the stud owner to request swabs / screening / prophylactic anti-biotics etc as they've got both parties best interests at heart and are preventing diseases being spread.