The Long Haired Whippet

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History_of_the_Current_Longhaired_Whippet.htmthought u might find this interesting,,,dont know if this will work :- "

click on the blue text there some pics on them :thumbsup:

 

[dawn]

History_of_the_Current_Longhaired_Whippet.htmthought u might find this interesting,,,dont know if this will work :- "
click on the blue text there some pics on them :thumbsup:

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There are some nice looking dogs which are called 'long-haired whippets' but, as is clear in the introductory page on your link site, they are from a cross between shelties & whippets.

Whatever name is given to the 'breed' even if it does breed true they are not whippets per se. If someone wants to introduce them as a totally NEW breed with a name that does not imply they are whippets!! I have no problem with this however when it is claimed they are a mutation of our wonderful breed I do have a problem.

 

[whippeteerThe1st]

click on the blue text there some pics on them :thumbsup:

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There are some nice looking dogs which are called 'long-haired whippets' but, as is clear in the introductory page on your link site, they are from a cross between shelties & whippets.

Whatever name is given to the 'breed' even if it does breed true they are not whippets per se. If someone wants to introduce them as a totally NEW breed with a name that does not imply they are whippets!! I have no problem with this however when it is claimed they are a mutation of our wonderful breed I do have a problem.

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8) UR right dawn,,, but whippets were grossed with the long legged terrier ( which is extinct now),,,or greyhound x long legged terrier to make whippets,,,,meaning whippets r a mutation anyhow,,,like most dogs,,,i hav to admitt i wouldnt mind seeing the a long hair whippet for real,,,,,,, first time i seen them in photos :thumbsup:

 

[Seraphina]

c8) UR right dawn,,, but whippets were grossed with the long legged terrier ( which is extinct now),,,or greyhound x long legged terrier to make whippets,,,,meaning whippets r a mutation anyhow,,,like most dogs,,,i hav to admitt i wouldnt mind seeing the a long hair whippet for real,,,,,,, first time i seen them in photos :thumbsup:

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Purebred whippets are bred from whippet X whippet mating for the past hundred years or so. Once you cross whippet with sheltie it is no longer a whippet. Mutation means that a gene mutates spontaneously into a different form. In this case some people claimed that in a litter of pure bred whippets they got a longhaired pup. They were saying that the shorthaired genes mutated into longhaired one and the pup is in every other respect a whippet.

And yes they are pretty.

 

[Dusilla]

There are some nice looking dogs which are called 'long-haired whippets' but, as is clear in the introductory page on your link site, they are from a cross between shelties & whippets.
Whatever name is given to the 'breed' even if it does breed true they are not whippets per se. If someone wants to introduce them as a totally NEW breed with a name that does not imply they are whippets!! I have no problem with this however when it is claimed they are a mutation of our wonderful breed I do have a problem.

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I totally agree with you Dawn :thumbsup: .

Here's an interesting article:

Some Thoughts About 'Long-Haired' Whippets

 

[whippeteerThe1st]

c8) UR right dawn,,, but whippets were grossed with the long legged terrier ( which is extinct now),,,or greyhound x long legged terrier to make whippets,,,,meaning whippets r a mutation anyhow,,,like most dogs,,,i hav to admitt i wouldnt mind seeing the a long hair whippet for real,,,,,,, first time i seen them in photos :thumbsup:

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Purebred whippets are bred from whippet X whippet mating for the past hundred years or so. Once you cross whippet with sheltie it is no longer a whippet. Mutation means that a gene mutates spontaneously into a different form. In this case some people claimed that in a litter of pure bred whippets they got a longhaired pup. They were saying that the shorthaired genes mutated into longhaired one and the pup is in every other respect a whippet.

And yes they are pretty.

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i thought it was whippet x whippet for 12 generations,,,,it becomes pure,,, not a hundred year or so,,, o

 

[Seraphina]

i thought it was whippet x whippet for 12 generations,,,,it becomes pure,,, not a hundred year or so,,, o

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It is over hundred years ago that purebred dogs started to be officialy registered. I am not sure what it is like over in UK, but here pure bred dog can ONLY be registered if both of his parents are registered on the main reister of our Kennel Control.

I have a vague memory of reading that in Europe many years ago (like before the 2nd world war) there used to a special register where dogs could be registered provided that a panel of experts considered them an outstanding specimen of a breed which was not very numerous.

 

Maybe the 12 generations is the requirement for a new breed being recognised by the KC?

 

[playawhile]

i thought it was whippet x whippet for 12 generations,,,,it becomes pure,,, not a hundred year or so,,, o

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It is over hundred years ago that purebred dogs started to be officialy registered. I am not sure what it is like over in UK, but here pure bred dog can ONLY be registered if both of his parents are registered on the main reister of our Kennel Control.

I have a vague memory of reading that in Europe many years ago (like before the 2nd world war) there used to a special register where dogs could be registered provided that a panel of experts considered them an outstanding specimen of a breed which was not very numerous.

 

Maybe the 12 generations is the requirement for a new breed being recognised by the KC?

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Hi!

In some breeds I know that it's still possible to bring in dogs from outside the kennel club records . As many of you probably know on occasions basenjis from Africa are selected in their native environment and brought to the west, primarily the US, were breeders broaden the gene pool by brining in new blood directly from Africa.

A question to Seraphina. Would it be impossible to bring a basenji directly from Africa to be registered with the Australian kennel club?

I also know that is has been possible to register Parsons in the Swedish kennel club after being imported without papers from the UK after being assessed by three judges.

Henrik Härling

 

[Seraphina]

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A question to Seraphina. Would it be impossible to bring a basenji directly from Africa to be registered with the Australian kennel club?

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I am 100% sure it would not be possible to bring in an unregistered Basenji to use for breeding of pedigreed litters. Even bringing a properly registered dog of a breed recognized everywhere else in the world, but not yet present here, is extraordinarily difficult. We have very strict and inflexible rules.

Some years ago friend of mine has mated his bitch to a beautiful dog bred by a top breeder and well-known judge. Unfortunately the dogs owner did not know anything about papers and thought that pedigree meant the dog was registered. In those time people used to only register dogs they sold to show homes, and not the rest of the litter. Anyway, when my friend realised what happened, he together with the sire's breeder tried to get the litter registered. It took a year of going through courts and in no way it was possible to register this litter because the rules clearly state that both parents have to be registered, and it was not possible to register the sire at this date as all the pups from one litter must be registered at the same time, once you leave some out it is not possible to register them later.

But we were talking about Whippets and I assume there has never been a reason to introduce unregistered individuals to the breed, at least not in modern times, so our Whippets are result of many generations of only purebred Whippet to purebred Whippet breeding.

 

[Seraphina]

By the way does anybody know when exactly was the English Kennel Club established and am I correct in the asumption it was the first dog registering body in the world?

 

[Millie]

Taken from the KC web site...............

By 1870 it was decided that a controlling body was necessary to legislate in canine matters and a Mr S E Shirley, MP, from Warwickshire, called together the National Dog Club Committee and a discussion ensued which resulted in twelve gentlemen meeting at No 2 Albert Mansions, Victoria Street, London, on 4th April 1873, and this meeting marked the founding of the Kennel Club.

 

[dawn]

By the way does anybody know when exactly was the English Kennel Club established and am I correct in the asumption it was the first dog registering body in the world?

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Taken from the KC web site...............
By 1870 it was decided that a controlling body was necessary to legislate in canine matters and a Mr S E Shirley, MP, from Warwickshire, called together the National Dog Club Committee and a discussion ensued which resulted in twelve gentlemen meeting at No 2 Albert Mansions, Victoria Street, London, on 4th April 1873, and this meeting marked the founding of the Kennel Club.

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There is no such thing as the English Kennel Club. It is simply The Kennel Club. All none English kennel Clubs (including Wales & Scotland) have the country included in the title. :- " :- " :- " :- "

 

[playawhile]

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A question to Seraphina. Would it be impossible to bring a basenji directly from Africa to be registered with the Australian kennel club?

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Henrik Härling

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I am 100% sure it would not be possible to bring in an unregistered Basenji to use for breeding of pedigreed litters. Even bringing a properly registered dog of a breed recognized everywhere else in the world, but not yet present here, is extraordinarily difficult. We have very strict and inflexible rules.

Some years ago friend of mine has mated his bitch to a beautiful dog bred by a top breeder and well-known judge. Unfortunately the dogs owner did not know anything about papers and thought that pedigree meant the dog was registered. In those time people used to only register dogs they sold to show homes, and not the rest of the litter. Anyway, when my friend realised what happened, he together with the sire's breeder tried to get the litter registered. It took a year of going through courts and in no way it was possible to register this litter because the rules clearly state that both parents have to be registered, and it was not possible to register the sire at this date as all the pups from one litter must be registered at the same time, once you leave some out it is not possible to register them later.

But we were talking about Whippets and I assume there has never been a reason to introduce unregistered individuals to the breed, at least not in modern times, so our Whippets are result of many generations of only purebred Whippet to purebred Whippet breeding.

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Hi again!!

Thanks for your replay and yes this is off topic concerning whippet but I was interested anyway. Find it weird that it's not possible brining i new blood.........

Henrik Härling

 

[BeeJay]

One of my show/coursing bred whippets Woody has an unregistered dogs in his 9 generation.

In his case he has a bitch called Judy who is of unknown parentage. She was the dam of Princess Pansy of Binswood DOB 8/6/1959. Who in turn produced Shalfleet Queen of Spades of Test.

Also he has Tarasaphire of Symondsbury whose DOB 13/6/1964 who dam is Beauty who had an unknown dam.

 

[~elizabeth~]

I always thought long-haired whippet references you get in old books refer to the wirehaired kind, probably from any terrier blood in foundation stock.

I assume there has never been a reason to introduce unregistered individuals to the breed, at least not in modern times, so our Whippets are result of many generations of only purebred Whippet to purebred Whippet breeding.

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Sorry to court controversy, but if congenital diseases and lethal malformation are really as prevalent as suggested in another thread, might it not be sensible to take measures to widen the gene pool before a breed reaches the point of collapse? I have a friend who bought several unrelated sheltie pups in a row (from well-known breeders active in the show community) and each one died from congenital liver disease or complications of congenital dwarfism within 6 months. This really shocked me; I would hate to see whippets reach this point.

 

[Seraphina]

Taken from the KC web site...............
By 1870 it was decided that a controlling body was necessary to legislate in canine matters and a Mr S E Shirley, MP, from Warwickshire, called together the National Dog Club Committee and a discussion ensued which resulted in twelve gentlemen meeting at No 2 Albert Mansions, Victoria Street, London, on 4th April 1873, and this meeting marked the founding of the Kennel Club.

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Thanks for that, I did try the KC site and could not fin anything about history :b

 

[Seraphina]

One of my show/coursing bred whippets Woody has an unregistered dogs in his 9 generation. 
In his case he has a bitch called Judy who is of unknown parentage.  She was the dam of Princess Pansy of Binswood DOB 8/6/1959.  Who in turn produced Shalfleet Queen of Spades of Test.

Also he has Tarasaphire of Symondsbury whose DOB 13/6/1964 who dam is Beauty who had an unknown dam.

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Is it still possible now to include in you breeding unregistered dogs? If so does it happen? What is the justification for it?

 

[Seraphina]

Sorry to court controversy, but if congenital diseases and lethal malformation are really as prevalent as suggested in another thread, might it not be sensible to take measures to widen the gene pool before a breed reaches the point of collapse? I have a friend who bought several unrelated sheltie pups in a row (from well-known breeders active in the show community) and each one died from congenital liver disease or complications of congenital dwarfism within 6 months. This really shocked me; I would hate to see whippets reach this point.

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I absolutely agree Elizabeth. But unfortunately at least here it is not possible. I always wondered about Dobermans with the wide array of deadly inherited diseases, which could be so easily helped by introducing racing greyhound into their breeding programs. They are strong healthy breed, with fantastic temperaments, and are quite similar in type to Dobe.

 

[playawhile]

Hi!

I actually read yesterday that they are allowing cross matings between bull terriers and miniature bull terriers in Australia. Seemingly the same thing is allowed in the UK. I can think of a number of breeds were this should be allowed and were there is access to another breed is very close in type. In Sweden scent hounds of Swedish origin has been mated to scent hounds from Balkan to widen the gene pool.

Henrik Härling

 

[Seraphina]

Hi!
I actually read yesterday that they are allowing cross matings between bull terriers and miniature bull terriers in Australia. Seemingly the same thing is allowed in the UK. I can think of a number of breeds were this should be allowed and were there is access to another breed is very close in type. In Sweden scent hounds of Swedish origin has been mated to scent hounds from Balkan to widen the gene pool.

Henrik Härling

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That is very interesting not to mention encouraging. Couple of years ago there was an aplication to introduce another very similar breed into a breed that is on verge of disappearing and the answer was NO. I cannot remeber what the breed is.

I will ask about the bullterriers, hope you are right. :thumbsup: