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[Cornish]

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Ok I know some believe that getting your boy 'done' is a big no no so please don't jump down my throat for asking this but I have been reading about it and wanted to know what you all think about it.

Bear in mind a few points before I tell you what is on my mind.

Sidney is a little over 2 years old .... we NEVER want for him to be a Dad and he will NEVER have relations (if he does then it will be with out our know so) he is nicknamed Sir Sidney Humpadink because he is (we think) sexually confused and all our friends dogs have to run away after a good play around other wise Humpadink tries to make advances. :- " very embarrassing :b

That said, my reason...... and I hope I haven't gone to around the houses and lost you all.... is..... Benjamin is soon to be coming home with us to live (he is 1 month old today) and I don't want for Sidney to feel that to make himself the dominant of the two, he has to corrupt his little brother in such a way. :b

So would it be best to get Sidney done now so he can get over his operation before the new arrival comes here or do we sit tight and just see how it goes?

And if we sit tight, any tips on how to stop anything like this happening.

I never wanted Sidney 'done' as he really doesn't have a problem as such (and him being my baby, I don't ant for him to have to go through something like this for no reason at all) and it is only if he is with us when we go diving and there are 3/4 male dogs down on the beach (they live there)... one dog called Bracken in particular even though he has had the operation is a tease to girls and boy dogs a like, he is a very strange boy indeed.

So who has more than the one boy? and do you have problems like this? have you had your boys done? if so why and if not why?

I hope you don't mind me asking but thought I would ask now while something can still be done.

I hope all that made sense, it is still early in the morning and I have not long been donked on the nose by an excited dog after our walk :wacko:

You will also find this in Chit Chat... wasn't sure where to put it :b

TIA x

 

[zilloot]

I have a boy whippet who was neutered when he was nine months old for health reasons and that was really too early because he hadn't reached sexual maturity and at 10.5 years is still quite puppylike. But he had health problems as a youngster.

And my iggie boy is entire. When he came along I didn't have dominance problems because my whippie was neutered so it was all very peaceful.

That's probably not much help, but neutering for a dog is really not a big operation at all and with two non-stud dogs in the house I personally would neuter them both to save any dominance/girly chasing/humpy type problems. The neutering really does reduce the humping and girly-hassling!

But I know people who manage several stud dogs under one roof - but they are extremely experienced at dog/pack management.

Good luck whatever you decide. :thumbsup:

(Isn't is sooooooo exciting waiting for a pup - we need photos!!) :lol: :wub:

 

[Cornish]

Thank you, hmmm, that is very much what I have been thinking.... Sidney is a peaceful dog but you can never tell when you back is turned what can happen....

Thanks again :huggles:

 

[animalady]

hi

may i add my thoughts

if this were my situation and sidney were mine i would go for neautering - in light of all you have said it would be a sensible move.

for one thing he seems to have a higher sexual desire than your other dogs and if another younger male comes into your family he will want to prove his sexual dominance even more.

you may find he will start claiming - as in urinating on furniture and legs of tables etc - he may start scrapping to prove his level and if you want harmony i would act now before your new baby arrives.

as an ex vet nurse i have also seen testicular cancer in older males and if you are not going to consider using your boys certainly the vets ive worked for in the past all advocate neutering as a prevention later on.

you will always find differing opinions out there but i think you have already considered neutering as the best option for him all round.

its always a thought to put a dog through an op but nowadays anaesthetics are very much improved and safer than ever and castration is a straightforward op.

my best wishes in whatever you decide

 

[~JO~]

That said, my reason...... and I hope I haven't gone to around the houses and lost you all.... is..... Benjamin is soon to be coming home with us to live (he is 1 month old today) and I don't want for Sidney to feel that to make himself the dominant of the two,  he has to corrupt his little brother in such a way. :b

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I think you need to stop thinking about them as 'babies' and as dogs - Sidney needs to install himself as the dominant dog and like it or not dogs will form a hierarchy. He is not corrupting him he telling him who is boss and in the same way you should feed Sidney before the pup, make a fuss of Sidney before the pup etc - these all reinforce that Sidney is top dog, if you castrate him and not the pup I think is the wrong way to go personally

By neutering Sidney and leaving your new pup entire you will have problems as Sidney despite being older and being living with you longer will be the 'under dog' to an entire male and you will get problems.

Obviously if his 'humping' is out of control I would say perhaps Sidney thinks he is well above you in his pack and needs to understand it is not acceptable.

Both my boys are entire as is my girl. Archie understands he is top dog and Stanley is beneath him - neither hump each other or any objects - Archie has tried to mount P-S on one occasion (obviously deperated at season time) I think Archie has mounted Stan about 3 times in nearly 5 years. No problem. We have 7 entire males at work and one girl - again no problems, they all understand who is above who and that ultimately they are all below us.

 

[Cornish]

I think you need to stop thinking about them as 'babies' and as dogs - Sidney needs to install himself as the dominant dog and like it or not dogs will form a hierarchy.  He is not corrupting him he telling him who is boss and in the same way you should feed Sidney before the pup, make a fuss of Sidney before the pup etc - these all reinforce that Sidney is top dog, if you castrate him and not the pup I think is the wrong way to go personally.
Hi Jo, That is easier said than done as we got Sidney  week before my son was bron who sadly passed away 11 days later... Sidney filled the aching gap I was left with so to me he is my baby, which I think suits him too  :lol:

By neutering Sidney and leaving your new pup entire you will have problems as Sidney despite being older and being living with you longer will be the 'under dog' to an entire male and you will get problems.

If we got Sidney done, there is no doubt that when Ben came of age, he would too.... I do see you point though.

Obviously if his 'humping' is out of control I would say perhaps Sidney thinks he is well above you in his pack and needs to understand it is not acceptable.

No it isn't out of control, we just notice it when we take him down to Porthkerris and the beaches owners have complete dogs.

 

Thank you all so much for your advice and opinions, I know everyone feels differently about this but I just wanted to be prepared before ben arrives .... you have ALL been most helpful :huggles:

 

[urchin]

I think I would echo what Jo said.

If you are thinking of neutering one of them, I would wait and see who rises to the top of the pack (out of Sidney and Benjamin) and do the subordinate dog, not the dominant one! Dogs need to sort the hierarchy out for themselves and it often works better where there is a clear gap between them, rather than 2 closely matched animals always vying for the top spot.

You may find that they actually dovetail in quite nicely without the need to neuter either, or the one that needs to be neutered might turn out to be the one you didn't expect!

....as to humpage Bloggs (my neutered boy) is the culprit in my house - Digit (the entire one) very rarely joins in these days, tho he was a blummer when he was a teenager.....my personal view on this is that it's because Bloggs was neutered too young - and if I ever were to neuter a dog in the future, i would let him grow up first.

Good luck with whatever you decide - at the end of the day, people on here have very different views on this issue, but they're your dogs and you must do what you feel best for your little pack x :huggles:

 

[JAX]

As the owner of 3 males ( 1 neutered ) and 6 females , Id just like to add that no dog should be top dog , Only YOU and your partner should be top dogs .

The dogs should all be just part of the pack , If you can try and watch the Dog Whisper , Ceasar Milan :wub: is just so in tune with dogs .

He has 35 dogs , male and female s , Rotties, Pit bulls , and crosses of them too GSD even a whippet and italian greyhound , all milling around together :cheers:

He says many times that we must remember they are DOGS not HUMANS . We give them human emotions and its us that do the worrying about them , they never worry what will happen tomorrow or where their dinner is coming from , as long as they get it on time they are happy.

Good luck rachel with whatever decision you make . Having him neutered will not necessary change his behavior , Woody can and does still mate any bitch in season. and hes been neutered for 10 years

jackie :huggles:

 

[Janet]

Hi I have 5 boys all living peacefully together. The main humper is my first dog who was neutered because he only had 1 ball and he humps all the others just to establish his dominance. The others never challenge him but I do keep an eye on them when they are play fighting/running around just to make sure that no-one steps too far over the line. I do cage 3 of them when I go to work so that they don't go mad when they are left alone. I have 2 litter brothers now who are 8 months old and I've noticed that when they go for a run they are sorting out who is going to be top dog out of the two of them, but I leave them alone as long as they are not hurting one another so that they will establish a natural pecking order.

 

[whippetmad]

Good luck Rachel,what ever you decide to do best :luck: :huggles: