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Sorry a bit confused with your reply - if the dogs were doing grading time it would be a waste of time who turning up (and where?) ?? not sure if you mean they would be 10 yards behind if running with greyhounds(but if they have done grading time and in 'graded' races they shouldnt be 10 behind)or the no limiters would be 10 behind if they were doing these times and yes i too know that not all greyhounds can do the grading in times!! I was only stating my opinion that these dogs are greyhound size so not surprising that they can do the greyhound grading times !!jasper. said:sadieandco if these greyhound sized dogs were doing greyhound grading time it would be a waste off time turning up, because they would be 10 + yards behind the winning dog, and regarding size or breed, i have seen plenty off big pure greyhounds that run rubbish times and cant even grade on.