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Waterloo Cup

Discussion in 'Hound' started by lavyheed, Jan 8, 2011.

  1. lavyheed

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    some good coursing there, pity about the killing though as that's not what coursing was all about!
     
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    Natures way of sorting out the weak :blink:
     
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    nowt natural about that :blink:
     
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    What planet are you on? Dogs have been chasing hare,rabbits ect for hundred and hundreds of years. A dog is doing what in it's instinct,so in my book that makes in natural :blink: :blink:
     
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    not every course in any of the waterloo cups or plates ended up with the hare being caught, the hare is a willy creature and knows the lay of the land so can outwit most dogs :thumbsup:
     
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    hhhmmm as iv said nowt natural about this :blink: yes your right but for hundreds and hundreds of years they have hunted them down and killed them not had one caught for them and then allowed to hunt it under controlled conditions ...;ike i said nowt natural about that is there :thumbsup:
     
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    Nowt natural about putting dogs in Pink Fluffy uniforms BUT it's done and excepted o:)
     
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    yes thats very true mr peppershaker ....mine got fluffy knickers to :teehee: im not anty hunting im just saying it not natural whats happening on that footage and the coments "Natures way of sorting out the weak" how come when its a controled ?? :thumbsup:
     
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    Indeed. I went, out of 2 days coursing, 2 hares were caught, the rest made a mockery of the greyhounds.

    Yes the coursing at Waterloo was contrived to gather hares over Altcar for days leading up to the event. Where the course occurs is on a vast plain of land, many, many hares slipped through before the dogs were slipped and when they were slipped many outwitted the dogs. The 2 that were caught were killed instantly and there was many hands available to ensure this occured quickly. What was caught, I was told was used for meat.

    I must admit I had mixed feelings about going but I'm glad I did because I left with an immense respect for the greyhound, the care the greyhound owners had for their dogs and most of all, an awe of the hare and it's staggering amount of speed and stamina.

    Waterloo was not a natural event but then taking any sighthound out into open countryside where there's wildlife coupled with a dogs hunting instinct isn't exactly natural either because your introducing a predator to their land. The fact the hare isn't a natural resident should also be considered as it was brought to this land (along with the hounds that hunted them) by the romans purely for sport.

    The burns report also stated that hares following a chase go back to what they was doing beforehand. They, by design accept they are potential prey and do not stress over their circumstances.

    Where we live looks out across some fields and in spring, youg hares run back and forth. I wouldn't dream of slipping my dogs on them but at the same time I don't forget that the only reason these animals are here giving me so much pleasure to watch is because they was brought over for the purpose of hunting.
     
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    The hares lived on Altcar Estate the greyhounds travelled to run there so why is that unnatural?Please
     
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    very good but all gone now :(
     
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    Hi,try watching this one, it may show you what true coursing was all about, I thougt the other vidio showed too much killing for the number of courses seen, if people new more about the sport of coursing then maybe it wouldn't have been banned.
     
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    I agree, the hard metal rock music added doesn't help either.

    I remember the grief the slipper got for not slipping but fair do's the bloke, he stood his ground. I'm not 100% sure but I think at the end of that last slip the hare bolted into the crowd which parted and let it run straight through to the fields beyond.
     
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    Indeed. I went, out of 2 days coursing, 2 hares were caught, the rest made a mockery of the greyhounds.

    Yes the coursing at Waterloo was contrived to gather hares over Altcar for days leading up to the event. Where the course occurs is on a vast plain of land,

    Waterloo was not a natural event but then taking any sighthound out into open countryside where there's wildlife coupled with a dogs hunting instinct isn't exactly natural either because your introducing a predator to their land. The fact the hare isn't a natural resident should also be considered as it was brought to this land (along with the hounds that hunted them) by the romans purely for sport.

    Would you be so kind as to tell how it was contrived IYHO? Please

    IF there arent hares on the land whats the point of having a meeting there?

    The Romans introduced them if we believe what we are told? IMHO there are doubts? Now the Romans were here 3-500AD which gives the hare plenty of time to adjust to life in our country again IMHO
     
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    I believe I already did, which is why I didn't respond the first time you asked.

    My opinion was from my own observations, your completely entitled to yours.

    I can see where the conflict lies, we both have different perceptions of what is deemed as 'natural'.
     
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    Which 2 days did you attend the Waterloo?

    I base my opinions on being involved for over 25yrs :thumbsup: laterly as a paid official up to the ban
     
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    TBH I can't remember. I went in 05 & 05 but can't remember which specific days. Programmes are in the attic and I really can't be arsed.

    I don't need any sort of merit about your opinions, I'm still entitled to my own but I'm sure your 25+ years guarantees your right doesn't it?

    Not going to get in an off topic tattle, I've said my opinion, feel free to post your own.
     
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    this course shows the contest of dog v dog and the hare lives cashels evenings(red collar) a cracking american dog white collar (why you monty) was a good 7 points in front with red collar pulling off a win with some true grit

     
  20. Nellie

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    Sorry you feel like that and the Waterloo was contested over 3 days first and last days on the Withens with courses averaging 30secs, the second day on Lydiate completely different and stamina was brought into play with courses of 2+minutes so 2 completely different days coursing to test the eventual winner

    Yes you are entitled to your opinion based on your 2 day experience and obviously think you saw and learned enough to have an opinion?

    You still have nt answered why hare coursing is unnatural? but chasing a lure is that natural?

    No doubt I'll recieve another warn status increase for having an opinion different to a moderator
     

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