What About Muzzles??

[CHRIS DOYLE]

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Greetings Coursers ( on notice! ) Now listen. Notwithstanding a successful legal challenge to the Hunting Act and/or huge loopholes being discovered in the Act itself to enable us to continue with our honourable sport what do you all think about the merits or otherwise of WHIPPET coursing in muzzles. I reckon it would work with a little adaptation to the muzzles. What do you all think?

Always innovative

Lampingman

 

[JAX]

I might be talking utter B :rant: :rant: ks here :- " ,but I think they have Greyhounds muzzled in Ireland for certain coursing meets > Im sure Ive seen photos in the irish raGH racing papers

 

[sparky]

hi, i think it would work. greyhounds and whippets run simulated game with muzzles on and it does'nt seem to affect there performance. it would not be the same though as a dog without a muzzle. i think a coursing dog not being able to kill its prey over generations would ruin the type. regards tony

 

[Mark Roberts]

Hi Lampy, a few years back I visited a freind in Kilkenny (Ireland) while there we had a day out at the Park Coursing?(Enclosed coursing with the dogs wearing muzzles) I was far from impressed with it, the 1 hare that was coursed? (well sort of) when caught was jumped up and down on by the Greyhounds untill a steward reached them, the greyhounds being unable to despatch it quickly due to wearing muzzles.

I came away with a sour taste in my mouth after watching it.

if the legal challenges fail then yes it may be a loophole (due to the wording of the bill) but it would be far from my 1st choice of how things should be done.

 

[sparky]

thats the voice of experience. not the same but still coursing.

 

[Strike Whippets]

Hmm muzzled coursing ........not very fare on the hare, but I guess as long as you can take your gun with you to shoot the Hare after the muzzled dogs have coursed it :wacko: :blink: Then it could work easily :thumbsup: .........Bloody do gooders make life so complicated .......Just wish that these people could actually see that they are doing no good at all :- "

 

[Scott Frodsham]

I reckon it would work with a little adaptation to the muzzles.

What adaptation do you propose Lampy ?

Scott.

 

[Cerito]

I reckon it would work with a little adaptation to the muzzles.

What adaptation do you propose Lampy ?

Scott.

I know. A hole at the front for the hare to fit in to!

 

[Strike Whippets]

I know.  A hole at the front for the hare to fit in to!

Great one

 

[Kirawan]

Greetings Coursers ( on notice! ) Now listen. Notwithstanding a successful legal challenge to the Hunting Act and/or huge loopholes being discovered in the Act itself to enable us to continue with our honourable sport what do you all think about the merits or otherwise of WHIPPET coursing in muzzles. I reckon it would work with a little adaptation to the muzzles. What do you all think?
Always innovative

Lampingman 

Coursing has indeed taken place with the greyhounds muzzled in Ireland, where they also have "park" coursing (another pastime of which I am very unhappy about)...... I am sure you can find details of this on Google, for instance.

It is deplorable and much damage is done to the hare. Frankly, if it was a choice between not coursing at all, or coursing with muzzled dogs, I would choose the former.

Our (law abiding citiizens who belong to a recognised club and follow coursing club rules) intention is not to interfere with what is a natural occurrence for both hare and dogs. We do not let a whole pack of greyhounds/whippets chase a hare. We DO give the hare sufficient law ( start !) and that is as it should be.

It beggars belief that with the laws to make coursing illegal - it will just make life impossible for legitimate coursing, where both greyhounds/whippets and to a great extent, the welfare of the hare is of prime importance.

The only people to gain, will be the illegal coursers, who have no interest in anything except gambling - and probably with stolen dogs !!

In Ireland, they did make a compromise by using muzzles - but personally, I do not think it is a good move.

For a matter of interest...... Why, and how, would you adapt the muzzles?

 

[CHRIS DOYLE]

Adapting the muzles.

There would be a need (i think ) to prevent possible injury to the dog from branches etc which could be a problem when getting through a hedge or over a ditch. The use of small size mesh along the sides of a muzzle maybe. The need not to interfere with the dogs vision or to prevent the dog from panting will of course be paramount. Experimentation would be needed to hopefully arrive at a design . I feel that there is a way forward on this with some thought and ingenuity.

When I walk up with a certain 2 of my whippets I have to muzzle them to keep the peace. I use plastic racing type muzzles and they quite quickly get clogged up with stubble and the like. As I have said , that could be dealt with and if push comes to shove i'm sure we will.

 

[Mark Roberts]

Hi Lampy,

I realy hope it doesn't come to it but if it does then i'm sure 1 of us could sort a muzzle that fitted the bill?.

 

[tony warren]

hi all not coursed with whippets but have with lurchers and greyhound's on the subject of greyhounds i go to clonmel every year with that they chase straight the hill maybe the odd twist and turn now there muzzled and there not running through hedges or maybe the odd gate or fence i nearley lost a good lurcher a few yrs back due to a local bylaw which states that my dogs had to be muzzled due to them being working and racing , the dog slipped the lead and chased a cat that was in the park yes a cat , and he got caught up on bush luckey enogh no serious damage neck got badly twised so remember think twice about muzzles.

 

[John E Greenwood]

I'm pretty sure the N.C.C. have done trials with muzzles, some years ago...As far as I know, it was decided they were a non starter...the dogs pin the hares down with their front legs and try to bludgean the hare with the muzzle...very messy. (w00t)

 

[CHRIS DOYLE]

When we talk of pinning down and bludgeoning lets not confuse whippets with greyhounds or other larger dogs. Somebody is bound to disagree with me on this but I somehow cannot see a whippet behaving as described??

 

[Strike Whippets]

When we talk of pinning down and bludgeoning lets not confuse whippets with greyhounds or other larger dogs. Somebody is bound to disagree with me on this but I somehow cannot see a whippet behaving as described??

Tell that to my Whippet .........He kills cleanly (obviously he has no muzzle on :- " )........but put him on a race track which is stimulating him to kill even if it is a lure .......and yes he does seriouse damage to that poor, poor lure through his muzzle and if that was a live animal he'd be even worse