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White Schnoddle Girl Puppy Wanted

Discussion in 'Puppy Forum' started by AlistairF, Mar 19, 2019.

  1. AlistairF

    AlistairF New Member Registered

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    I hope that someone can help I have been let down several times to get hold of a white schnoddle girl. I am registered with the normal website pets4homes etc but not having much luck
    Any advice of breeders that don’t use the normal websites?
    Thank you
    Alistair
     
  2. JoanneF

    JoanneF Well-Known Member Registered

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    I'm guessing a schnoddle is a cross between a schnauzer and something else? A poodle?

    It used to be believed that crossbreeds had the best of both breeds and health problems were 'bred out' but in fact you could well get a puppy who has inherited health defects from both parents. Both sides could pass on hip dysplasia, eye problems, or blood clotting problems. These could cause long term pain and distress to the dog and the owner to incur on going expensive vet bills. Marilyn Munro allegedly once suggested to Albert Einstein that if they had babies they would be amazing with her beauty and his brains. Einstein allegedly replied how awful it would be if it were the other way round. You get the picture. Good breeders do tests on their breeding dogs (proper tests, not just checks to say the dog is capable of siring/carrying a litter) to breed out these conditions. Unfortunately with the popularity of crosses there are many puppy farmers who are more interested in exploiting buyers than the long term health of the puppies they are selling; and pet owners who think it would be lovely to have mini versions of their own pets but lack the understanding of responsible breeding.

    There are some responsible breeders of crossbreeds and that is a good thing. But they are very few and you may have to search extensively to find one.

    For the record, I am not a breed snob, my own dog is a mutt, but I see many people who go through years of watching their dog in pain which easily could have been avoided.

    Can I ask if there is any reason why you don't want a schnauzer or poodle (if that is the cross)? If it is the look, poodles can be left shaggy and not clipped into frou-frou designs.
     
  3. Mad Murphy

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    Are there reputable breeders of such crosses?

    I realise that the original labradoodle has been around for a while and they have established breeders now but Im not sure about all the 'new' crosses?
    Regestered breeders will most likely only sell a particular breed, places that sell more than one breed or many of the so called designer crosses advertising through online sale sites are unlikely to be reputable.
     
  4. Mayblossom

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    Seems to be quite a few Schnoddle puppies for sale on Pets4home , asking £1000 for some of them which is just ridiculous! :eek:
     
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  5. JoanneF

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    And I'd bet good money none of them have been hip scored or PRA tested.
     
  6. Mayblossom

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    Just out to make a quick buck :mad:
     
  7. Jack-Russell-Lover

    Jack-Russell-Lover Well-Known Member Registered

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    I'm not a fan of all the crosses that are so popular. Most popular with poodles or bichons! It's just all about the money! Note that although these breeds are 'non-moulting' the hair does still shed, it just stays on the dog which means regular brushing, these coats are very high maintenance, people don't realise this. One of the Schnoodles I groom has a very fine soft coat so quite an even mix of the two, which knots up so so easily!
    I would either go for a purebreed myself, or even go to a rescue center and see what they've got, you could end up falling in love with something you never had in mind, maybe even a mongrel! :)
     
  8. Kara 1

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    Half of the designer crosses had attributed to puppy farming as people will pay more for a cross breed than a pure breed....
    If you have your heart set on this kind of cross try some of the rescue centres as they get all sorts of young designer crosses
     
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    I'd agree with being very careful about the puppy's background. Puppy farming is a pretty vile business and no one should encourage it by funding it. I think you may have to be patient and wait for a puppy from a guaranteed decent breeder. Someone who will let you visit them and see the puppy's parents. I've not a problem with designer breeds as such- it's that they seem to encourage the wrong sort of ownership. I met someone last year really struggling with their new pair of puggles (that's pug x beagle). Untrainable! he said. Well they're both stubborn breeds I said so why did you...? Oh we just loved the name!:eek:
     
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    :emoji_face_palm::mad:

    We need a headbanging smiley....
     
  11. JoanneF

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    Sad, but typical. I do get the attraction of some crosses, and any non-brachycephallic breed crossed with a brachy breed is probably better for the dog in health terms. And of course some of the poodle crosses are undoubtedly very cute, and cute is imo a perfectly valid reason for being drawn towards certain dogs. But, its so very important to look at the whole picture (health, temperament, grooming requirements, exercise needs and ease of training). But puppy farmers are exploiting people who just don't realise, and as consumers we are accustomed to not having to wait for things. So it's easy to see why it happens.

    I know I am preaching to the choir here.
     
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  12. AlistairF

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    Thank you all for your comments and everyone is entiltaled to there own views and opinions. This isn't my first rodeo when it comes to dogs as i was brought up with Old English Sheepdogs , Lasa's and Polish Lowland sheepdogs that where bred and shown at Cruffs and local dog shows. All the breeders that i have seen and contacted have proven the KC registrations of both the mum and dad. To use the term of puppy farming is a little harsh for the people that are adveritsing these dogs on Pets4homes. However i am sure that are some on websites that are indeed puppy farmers and some prospective buyers perhaps dont understand the meaning of KC registered or the potential health issues faced having a cross breed.
    I guess that this forum can't help identify Schnoodle breeders so my search continues.
     
  13. Mad Murphy

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    As you say everyone is entitled to their opinion.

    Good luck with your search
     
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    First, I will admit I most probably am a ‘breed snob’ if they exist. If you are a breeder who is passionate about your breed and have a dog that is KC registered and has all the qualities to be bred from - meets breed standard, has passed health tests and has an excellent temperament - I don’t see why you would want to cross breed them. However, as you quite rightly said, we are all entitled to our own opinions and I wouldn’t wish to criticize someone for purchasing a cross breed. I also know several people who own health cross breeds with lovely temperaments.

    However, I do think that a dog having a KC registration is no guarantee of the reputability the of the breeder, regardless of whether they are selling cross bred or pedigree dogs. Maybe using the term ‘puppy farm’ is a bit harsh, but I would definitely question reputability of some of the breeders that advertise on these sites, in spite of how ‘professional’ they make their adverts appear. Curiosity got the better of me after reading comments on this thread and I did look at the Pets4Homes website last night. The very first dogs to pop up were some ‘extremely rare’ doodles. So rare that another litter of the same cross had been posted the day before (adverts suspiciously similar). They were going for £2000 each, or a mere £3000 if you wanted ‘Breeder Rights’ which allowed you to have all the paperwork – they must have been using some pretty expensive paper! Both dogs were reportedly KC registered and some health tests had been done. Maybe not puppy farmed, but charging that price, claiming they were ‘rare’ and being prepared to sell puppies to be bred from with no knowledge of whether they would be suitable tells you more about their motives than the KC registrations.
     
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  15. JoanneF

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    Good luck with your search OP - sorry we couldn't help but hopefully we have given you, and future readers, greater awareness of the potential pitfalls of buying a 'designer crossbreed'. Certainly not all will be puppy farmers but it's undeniable that there are puppy farmers who have jumped on this bandwagon. I would only add that KC registration is just a certificate of lineage, not an indicator of health - many highly pedigreed dogs have horrible health problems. As long as you, and any future readers of this, go into it with your eyes open to the potential problems; that's all we can do.
     
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