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I've just had my saluki whippet mated with a poodle and would like to hear about anyone who owns or has known these crosses. I've selected for temperament, agility and intelligence and am hoping they will make great agility and assistance dogs (as well as being able to work as a lurcher). Would love a few quotes from people on how great this cross is (so far I've heard only enormous praise and love) or to be prepared for any possible down sides.

Apologies if you saw this in the non-pedigree whippet breeders section. Was advised to move it here.
 
Keeley said:
I've just had my saluki whippet mated with a poodle and would like to hear about anyone who owns or has known these crosses. I've selected for temperament, agility and intelligence and am hoping they will make great agility and assistance dogs (as well as being able to work as a lurcher). Would love a few quotes from people on how great this cross is (so far I've heard only enormous praise and love) or to be prepared for any possible down sides. Apologies if you saw this in the non-pedigree whippet breeders section. Was advised to move it here.
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Sounds interesting! I presume when you say "saluki whippet" that you mean a first cross between the two? I love whippets and poodles. Not too sure about the Saluki side of things though as I have heard they can be very wilful?

Which size poodle did you use?
 
Why????? Both breeds are so different. Why do this particular cross? I just find it distressing all these weird crosses.
 
Keeley said:
I've just had my saluki whippet mated with a poodle and would like to hear about anyone who owns or has known these crosses. I've selected for temperament, agility and intelligence and am hoping they will make great agility and assistance dogs (as well as being able to work as a lurcher). Would love a few quotes from people on how great this cross is (so far I've heard only enormous praise and love) or to be prepared for any possible down sides. Apologies if you saw this in the non-pedigree whippet breeders section. Was advised to move it here.
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No offence intended but isn't it normal to do the research first etc before actually breeding,as it's now too late if there's lots of down sides to this cross.
 
I hope you don't mind me quoting my questions and your reply from the other thread :thumbsup:

FeeFee said:
Not a cross I've ever heard of really and I've have thought the outcome would be very unpredictable in terms of whether they take after the dam or the sire or anything in between.
Genuine question, but what did you hope to gain from this cross? Poodles are already excellent agility dogs and very intelligent and trainable, I doubt adding a lurcher to the mix would improve on that, and I can't imagine this cross would have the same working abilities as a whippet/saluki.

Was it a standard poodle (just curious) :))
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Keeley said:
It was miniature poodle, a little smaller than my bitch (I didn't want a difficult birth if the pups were too large). I had a few objectives: some might have low- shedding fur for allergy sufferers, I've heard of this mix making excellent assistance dogs for the deaf, I want them to be family pets rather than bought for coursing and I wanted to help promote the lurcher as the wonderful family member they can be, by association with a more well-known 'pet only' breed. I also have visions of them making excellent ratters and even truffle hunters, but that's an afterthought! The poodle sire matches Nell in intelligence, but also by his grace and delicacy hiding a real tough, fit cookie, always up for action but so calm around the house.
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I'm afraid I'm still not convinced this cross serves any useful purpose over and above a purebred poodle.

Yes they might have low shedding fur, they might not. Poodles will definitely be low shedders.

Poodles can make good assistance dogs. Lurchers generally would be pretty rubbish assistance dogs, who knows what the mix will be like?

Neither breed are really ideal for ratters, lurchers are coursing dogs, poodles are retrievers (though might have a go at some ratting given the chance).

Don't think there's a huge demand for truffle dogs. Again I believe poodles have been used for this in the past, but lurchers aren't really scent hounds, so won't improve on what the poodle can offer.

I can't honestly see how lurchers are going to be promoted as family pets by crossing them with something completely different?
 
FeeFee said:
I hope you don't mind me quoting my questions and your reply from the other thread :thumbsup:
FeeFee said:
Not a cross I've ever heard of really and I've have thought the outcome would be very unpredictable in terms of whether they take after the dam or the sire or anything in between.
Genuine question, but what did you hope to gain from this cross? Poodles are already excellent agility dogs and very intelligent and trainable, I doubt adding a lurcher to the mix would improve on that, and I can't imagine this cross would have the same working abilities as a whippet/saluki.

Was it a standard poodle (just curious) :))
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Keeley said:
It was miniature poodle, a little smaller than my bitch (I didn't want a difficult birth if the pups were too large). I had a few objectives: some might have low- shedding fur for allergy sufferers, I've heard of this mix making excellent assistance dogs for the deaf, I want them to be family pets rather than bought for coursing and I wanted to help promote the lurcher as the wonderful family member they can be, by association with a more well-known 'pet only' breed. I also have visions of them making excellent ratters and even truffle hunters, but that's an afterthought! The poodle sire matches Nell in intelligence, but also by his grace and delicacy hiding a real tough, fit cookie, always up for action but so calm around the house.
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I'm afraid I'm still not convinced this cross serves any useful purpose over and above a purebred poodle.

Yes they might have low shedding fur, they might not. Poodles will definitely be low shedders.

Poodles can make good assistance dogs. Lurchers generally would be pretty rubbish assistance dogs, who knows what the mix will be like?

Neither breed are really ideal for ratters, lurchers are coursing dogs, poodles are retrievers (though might have a go at some ratting given the chance).

Don't think there's a huge demand for truffle dogs. Again I believe poodles have been used for this in the past, but lurchers aren't really scent hounds, so won't improve on what the poodle can offer.

I can't honestly see how lurchers are going to be promoted as family pets by crossing them with something completely different?
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Keely you've confused me ... easily done I admit. At the point where you cross a lurcher with a poodle surely you've got a mongrel not a lurcher so I'm unclear how this cross promotes the lurcher as a family pet. And you also say (I think) that the poodle blood is designed to prevent the pups appealing to people looking to course their dogs, i.e. people looking for lurchers. Does the cross make an excellent assistance dog? I'm surprised there are enough saluki/whippet x poodles out there for anyone to know. I could be wrong but I suspect your bitch will produce a very varied litter, some closer to the poodle, some the whippet, some the saluki ... I will be interested to see photo's of the pups when they arrive :)
 
Good luck with your pups. It will be interesting to see how they turn out. They sound like they could be speedy agility prospects. What size/build is your bitch? Have you any photos?
 
Sorry, yes, I left a lot of details unclear. I have done research already, this isn't my first port of call. I wouldn't rely on an internet forum for serious research (it's like quoting Wikipedia in your dissertation!), obviously, although all your points are very valid. She is mostly whippet and I am mostly concerned with producing an intelligent (my girl is super-clever and I am not being biased!) and quick companion. Truffle hound was a little tongue-in-cheek.Well, a lot.

There's been a lot of potential interest in the potential pups (but you know how things can go, I don't want to take anyone at their word or tempt fate just yet).

First crosses are variable, but there is an argument for and an argument against every method, from interbred pedigrees to out-crossing to improve on hereditary faults. I am trying to build on something very positive, not correct something lacking in one or the other. It took me eight months to find the right stud and my pups will be reared and homed with all the care, pride and responsibility offered by the best of breeders, including a lifelong commitment to their welfare and an ever-open door.

And he was a miniature apricot poodle (Mum is a light brindle and a very slight 23"), as a standard may have resulted in pups that were too large to deliver easily.

Thank you for your opinions (I did ask!). Thanks, TTT.

I'll post pics up when they arrive! :)
 
Keeley said:
Sorry, yes, I left a lot of details unclear. I have done research already, this isn't my first port of call. I wouldn't rely on an internet forum for serious research (it's like quoting Wikipedia in your dissertation!), obviously, although all your points are very valid. She is mostly whippet and I am mostly concerned with producing an intelligent (my girl is super-clever and I am not being biased!) and quick companion. Truffle hound was a little tongue-in-cheek.Well, a lot.There's been a lot of potential interest in the potential pups (but you know how things can go, I don't want to take anyone at their word or tempt fate just yet).

First crosses are variable, but there is an argument for and an argument against every method, from interbred pedigrees to out-crossing to improve on hereditary faults. I am trying to build on something very positive, not correct something lacking in one or the other. It took me eight months to find the right stud and my pups will be reared and homed with all the care, pride and responsibility offered by the best of breeders, including a lifelong commitment to their welfare and an ever-open door.

And he was a miniature apricot poodle (Mum is a light brindle and a very slight 23"), as a standard may have resulted in pups that were too large to deliver easily.

Thank you for your opinions (I did ask!). Thanks, TTT.

I'll post pics up when they arrive! :)
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everything you say is flawed, you have a sal x whip and you say your concerned with producing an intelligent and quick companion well its already been done their called whippets, what your doing is spinning a genetic roulette wheel you have a x'd dog with goodness knows what in it's back pedigree and your now wanting to throw a poodle into the mix there is no need for this or is it the poodle cross syndrome£££££££ maybe an advert in 3 months for "adorable woodle's" ;)
 
As I said before, good luck with your pups. I have seen some very good agility poodles and lurchers. I have also seen a collie lurcher work as an assistance dog (hearing dog). Keep us updated with how they get on.
 
devo12 said:
... maybe an advert in 3 months for "adorable woodle's" ;)
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Please, don't (w00t) This is an open forum ... don't put ideas into the heads of some of the idiots out there :eek: :blink: ;)
 
What ever they are called Im sure there are loads lik`um in rescue centers already.

Not that this litter is destined for a rescue centre .

I just wonder `why` ?

JMO
 
My daughter came up with name paluki whoodles!! :wacko:

They'll be whippet x poodles and that's it!

Thank you to Whirlybird on the other thread:

"we have a non ped whippet and bred her with a standard poodle ,she's fawn and white and the poodle apricot , but she had 5 black puppies ,, no probs with the size of pups at all.

the one we kept , blake 15 mths , is making a fine hunting dog , we're just starting him on coursing this year, not be fast enough for the whippet / greyhounds on straight racing

hope things go well for you

by the way they cast"

I disagree, Devo12, and my argument isn't as flawed as your punctuation ;) but you are clearly devoted to your breed and that's fine too.

I'm not comparing, of course, but for the sake of argument, may I recall Heinrich Essig's creation of Leonbergers as the obvious example of crossing to create something new? Man is responsible for the diversity of breeds out there and will continue to diversify and explore this area. It's in our nature.
 
Were any health checks necessary before breeding, ie BVA/KC/ISDS Eye Scheme (PRA) health checks, as so many breeds require these days? I'm thinking more specifically of the poodle here rather than the whippet cross.

It is just so important to carry out these checks before breeding, and use dogs with clear certificates (Eye scheme) or a low hip score, isn't it.

*Edited - re health checks
 
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I guess coming from a rescue point of view and with the terrible numbers of unwanted dogs being destroyed every day you won't be surprised I feel that the only valid reason to breed is to bring something exceptional to the next generation. I don't see how a cross between two very different breeds, with a very unpredictable and variable outcome, is going to achieve that.

Sorry if this sounds harsh, but in the end you are breeding a mongrel with a fancy name and (I imagine) a fancy price-tag. Nothing wrong with mongrels of course, I have five of them and love them to bits, but mine were all rescues and there are plenty more where they came from. I can't think of a good reason - in dog welfare terms - to deliberately breed more.

Anyway, as it's already too late and the deed is done I'll duck back down behind the parapet. I hope all goes well for your girl and her pups :luck:
 
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