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[aslan]

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You don't have to register your pups with your kennel name if you don't want to.So you could register one pup as 'nuts in may' but the rest of the litter with your kennel name and their name.

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I find that really weird. One's kennel name is one's identity and an easy identifier for students of the breed generations down the track.

For a long time I believed that Nutshell was bred by Nevedith, until someone told me she wasn't. The internet has helped in this kind of research and that information is easier to find now - but for a long time I just didn't question it -because of the dog's name I just assumed. The real breeder I think lost a lot of the credit due to them because of this.

You cannot do this in Australia. If you breed the litter all of the pups must be registered with your prefix attached.

 

[liza]

if you own the stud dog you can request the breeder of the litter not to put their affix on the pup you are having as a stud fee

 

[dessie]

if you own the stud dog you can request the breeder of the litter not to put their affix on the pup you are having as a stud fee

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As someone has already said, you do not have to use your affix if you don't want to ......... nothing to do with the stud dog owner having a puppy instead of a fee. I am with Lana on this one though, why wouldn't you want your affix on puppies that you have bred, even if (or especially if) other people are owning/showing them, surely the breeder should get some credit???

 

[aslan]

I LOVE the idea of being allowed to add your kennel name to the dog's name (I SO wanted Cash to be Gilnockie Ace of Spades at Aslan - but someone in England already had Aslan as their kennel name so I couldn't do it) and I really wish that was available to us in Oz, but I don't like the option of the breeder's kennel name not being on the dog in the first place.

 

[JAX]

Agree with you Lana ,

Its like as if they dont want you to know where it`came from` . :wacko:

 

[dragonfly]

If you get a puppy from a breeder and the parents of the puppy were both bred by you, then you can add your kennel name as a PREFIX.

so I have

Bluestreak Welstar Steel Magnolia

I think I am correct in saying that the Newton Family save the "N" names for puppies they own but which were not bred by them, it works well and gives attractive sounding names.

Cathie

 

[dessie]

I think I am correct in saying that the Newton Family save the "N" names for puppies they own but which were not bred by them, it works well and gives attractive sounding names.
Cathie

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Mmm...... and no 'instant' credit to the breeders.

 

[aslan]

I should hasten to add I'm not "pointing the finger" at Nevedith for any specific reason it's just that Nutshell was a high profile dog that came to mind instantly.

I think I am correct in saying that the Newton Family save the "N" names for puppies they own but which were not bred by them, it works well and gives attractive sounding names

That makes sense once someone points it out to you - and it's easy to see the pattern once it's been explained - but without that luxury it's not immediately evident. And I think there would be a lot of people like me who did not/do not realise that that naming option is available in England and would be assuming that Nutshell and dogs like her are bred by the person whose kennel name is attached.

 

[Avalonia]

I should hasten to add I'm not "pointing the finger" at Nevedith for any specific reason it's just that Nutshell was a high profile dog that came to mind instantly.

I think I am correct in saying that the Newton Family save the "N" names for puppies they own but which were not bred by them, it works well and gives attractive sounding names

That makes sense once someone points it out to you - and it's easy to see the pattern once it's been explained - but without that luxury it's not immediately evident. And I think there would be a lot of people like me who did not/do not realise that that naming option is available in England and would be assuming that Nutshell and dogs like her are bred by the person whose kennel name is attached.

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Cathie is quite correct in noting the naming pattern used by Nevedith for dogs brought in in lieu of stud fee. The fact the dogs do not have the 'breeders' affix is something that the breeder has accepted as part of the stud service agreement. We need to remember that in the broadest sense the breeder in any litter should be considered both the owner of the female bearing the litter and the owner of the stud dog providing the service, because without that agreement between them no litter would be bred.

Even well-established long time breeders sometimes used different ways of naming their dogs. Think for instance of Susan Baird, who had no affix but used instead a well known style of naming all her dogs with names that used her initials - SB -- hence there was Storm Bird, and Shoe Buckle etc.

Aslan, here in Canada there is no requirement to have an affix to breed a litter of dogs either, though I doubt there are many serious breeders who do not have an affix. I see a lot of dogs in England however that come without an affix -- including many bred in recent years by relative newcomers.

I am frankly more uncertain about the increasingly prevalent habit in England of purchasers it seems almost automatically adding an affix to the name of a dog they have bought that they have not had any actual hand in the breeding of. Neither sire nor dam is theirs -- the dog is simply a purchase. This is not typical here in Canada where more typically dual affixes are only part of a co-ownership registration or concerted shared breeding program.

We do share co-ownership of a black and white whippet with an American friend whose breeding program mirrors our own reliance on Nevedith lines and she did negotiate a naming of the pup we purchased from the American breeder so the dog actually has all three kennel names on it -- Ammardan (his breeders), DuMond (our friend Jalynn) Avalonia (ourselves). . But my friend and I have not chosen to put our affix on dogs she has acquired from us, or dogs we have acquired from her which are typically the comingly of our two bloodlines.

The only recent exception in our kennel has been a wonderful young male acquired by a young woman who has undertaken a program founded on our Avalonia (Nevedith) bloodlined dogs, who this year acquired her Canadian affix. So we registered that dog as Avalonia Bondi at Touchstone (her affix) to acknowledge the first important stud dog incorporated directly into her program.

Lanny

 

[T Hoare]

I should hasten to add I'm not "pointing the finger" at Nevedith for any specific reason it's just that Nutshell was a high profile dog that came to mind instantly.

I think I am correct in saying that the Newton Family save the "N" names for puppies they own but which were not bred by them, it works well and gives attractive sounding names

That makes sense once someone points it out to you - and it's easy to see the pattern once it's been explained - but without that luxury it's not immediately evident. And I think there would be a lot of people like me who did not/do not realise that that naming option is available in England and would be assuming that Nutshell and dogs like her are bred by the person whose kennel name is attached.

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Cathie is quite correct in noting the naming pattern used by Nevedith for dogs brought in in lieu of stud fee. The fact the dogs do not have the 'breeders' affix is something that the breeder has accepted as part of the stud service agreement. We need to remember that in the broadest sense the breeder in any litter should be considered both the owner of the female bearing the litter and the owner of the stud dog providing the service, because without that agreement between them no litter would be bred.

Even well-established long time breeders sometimes used different ways of naming their dogs. Think for instance of Susan Baird, who had no affix but used instead a well known style of naming all her dogs with names that used her initials - SB -- hence there was Storm Bird, and Shoe Buckle etc.

Aslan, here in Canada there is no requirement to have an affix to breed a litter of dogs either, though I doubt there are many serious breeders who do not have an affix. I see a lot of dogs in England however that come without an affix -- including many bred in recent years by relative newcomers.

I am frankly more uncertain about the increasingly prevalent habit in England of purchasers it seems almost automatically adding an affix to the name of a dog they have bought that they have not had any actual hand in the breeding of. Neither sire nor dam is theirs -- the dog is simply a purchase. This is not typical here in Canada where more typically dual affixes are only part of a co-ownership registration or concerted shared breeding program.

We do share co-ownership of a black and white whippet with an American friend whose breeding program mirrors our own reliance on Nevedith lines and she did negotiate a naming of the pup we purchased from the American breeder so the dog actually has all three kennel names on it -- Ammardan (his breeders), DuMond (our friend Jalynn) Avalonia (ourselves). . But my friend and I have not chosen to put our affix on dogs she has acquired from us, or dogs we have acquired from her which are typically the comingly of our two bloodlines.

The only recent exception in our kennel has been a wonderful young male acquired by a young woman who has undertaken a program founded on our Avalonia (Nevedith) bloodlined dogs, who this year acquired her Canadian affix. So we registered that dog as Avalonia Bondi at Touchstone (her affix) to acknowledge the first important stud dog incorporated directly into her program.

Lanny

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In UK, you don't have to have a Kennel Name(Affix) to breed dogs either.

In UK, you are allowed to add an affix on your purchase, wether you you have anything to do with the parents or not. The exception is if they have gained their stud book number then the name can't be changed by adding or subtracting.

 

[aslan]

Just bumping this up so that Gail and Lida can read the discussion about naming in the UK .... you'll have to go back a page or so ladies to find where I highjacked Dolly's thread about Leo (Sorry Helen!) and started asking about naming.

Cheers,

Lana

 

[dolly]

Aw Lana, thought you were gonna say something nice about Leo the Lion :wub: (w00t) (w00t)

 

[aslan]

I thought I had said something nice in the beginning Helen ... but I looked back and I hadn't Just got caught up in the naming thing and forgot to say ...

you can tell he's his Daddy's son :thumbsup: :huggles:

 

[windsongwhippets]

Hi all

Leo is verrrrrry handsome. Continued grat luck with him.

This thread on naming of dogs is very intesting to me. The American Kennel Club has recently begun to allow new owners to change the name of their new purchase. Only IF the dog has never won any award at an AKC event. this has caused some annoyance from breeders and I can well understand why.

Personally I feel that by registering a dog ( especially one you plan to show and breed from) with your breeders prefix or affix is honoring the person who actually bred that dog. If you are not proud of the association with the breeder of your dog, why would you purchase a dog from that breeder? Why would you not want that person to get the credit for being the breeder of your dog?

In the case of a stud fee puppy, then adding your kennel name as part of the dogs name should be allowed.

Mr Moran-Healy stated in his book that he regretted not adding his kennel name to all of the dogs he sold that were shown or bred from. In the end, it seems he was remiss in that; as many of the dogs he was due alot of credit for were not acknowledged to be of his breeding.

I definitely believe in the old adage, "credit where credit is due"

Carol

 

[dolly]

I only wish i could add Scarletfair to Leo's but im not allowed

 

[JAX]

Hi all
Leo is verrrrrry handsome.  Continued grat luck with him.

This thread on naming of dogs is very intesting to me.  The American Kennel Club has recently begun to allow new owners to change the name of their new purchase.  Only IF the dog has never won any award at an AKC event.  this has caused some annoyance from breeders and I can well understand why.

Personally I feel that by registering a dog ( especially one you plan to show and breed from) with your breeders prefix or affix is honoring the person who actually bred that dog.  If you are not proud of the association with the breeder of your dog, why would you purchase a dog from that breeder?  Why would you not want that person to get the credit for being the breeder of your dog?

In the case of a stud fee puppy, then adding your kennel name as part of the dogs name should be allowed.

Mr Moran-Healy stated in his book that he regretted not adding his kennel name to all of the dogs he sold that were shown or bred from. In the end, it seems he was remiss in that; as many of the dogs he was due alot of credit for were not acknowledged to be of his breeding.

I definitely believe in the old adage, "credit where credit is due"

Carol

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Quite agree with you Carol

I wouldnt be well pleased if some one bought one of my pups and then took my `kennel name` off (w00t)

 

[dolly]

You cant do that here though Jax.

You can only remove additional kennel names, this can only be done by the breeder too.

I couldnt have removed the 'Beetelian', not that i wanted too.

 

[aslan]

When you work so hard and for so long to get established in your breed and to have your kennel name recognised by others - it would be awful to have someone remove it from a dog you'd sold to them.

The point made about Phil Moran-Healy is what I was getting at earlier. Before I had the internet and websites, pedigrees and people at my fingertips, when all you had was a dog's name on a pedigree that someone had given you a copy of, or that you'd found in a book - I was much in the dark about a lot of dogs in the UK - assuming that they were bred by one kennel because that was the kennel name attached or not knowing that they were bred by a particular kennel because there was no kennel name attached.

 

[dolly]

You ant actually remove it Lana.

I will use Harry as an example.

He is registered Scarletfair One Knight, If (LOL) i have agreed with the stud dog owner that they were to have him. He would have been registered Scarletfair One Knight, The new owners cannot take away the Scarletfair.

The only way would have been is for me to register him as One Knight of ~~~

Leo's Additional kennel name could be removed by the breeder (Mr I Beetles).

 

[aslan]

Yep! Got it!

( I was actually referring to what Carol said was happening in the US)

"The American Kennel Club has recently begun to allow new owners to change the name of their new purchase. Only IF the dog has never won any award at an AKC event. this has caused some annoyance from breeders and I can well understand why."