Binx

[»Tina«]

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I've calmed down a lot now thanks to ILKC and Dawn, :huggles: :huggles:

I don't blame the breeder, like you Jezza I blame myself, after all I've read and been told that an entire male pup can after it has been sold retain his testicals, and then drop them again as old as 2, so here's hopeing!

I love Binx to bits and would never get rid of him, he's part of the family now balls or no balls!!

 

[»Tina«]

Just this minute got back from the vet's with Binx, he doesn't travel well at all and was sick all over me! just to add insult to me he then poo'd on me too :x :x

well this is what the vet has wrote down for me:

'Binx' blue/fawn whippet boy 7 months old

I hereby certify that I have examined the above discribed boy, I find him to have BOTH testicals retained in the urquinal (don't know if I have spelt that right) region. He is now old enough for them to have desended naturally and as this has not occured he is not fit for showing or breeding purpores.

poor Binx

I asked the vet if he could massage them down, he said no they won't move, he's advised me to have them removed at a later date, at first with Binx standing up he couldn't feel nothing at all like my cousin, then he layed Binx on his back and found them, I'm still praying that they will drop!!

the vet says thats highly unlikely

 

[Seraphina]

Well, if the puppy did not have testicles descended the breeder should have told you. You certainly have a reason to be angry.

Whippets and other sighthounds seem to have lot of problems in this department. I always explain this to new owners, show them their new boy has them, tell them it is possible they will go back in, then I show them what to do if that happens. Finally, I ask them to call me if a testicle is missing and they cannot massage it down.

However, 18 months ago I had a litter with 3 boys who all had their testes down within days of birth, I checked them regularly until they went to their new homes at 9 weeks, and as they all had fair size testes, had them in scrotum all this time, I did not bother to give my testicle lesson to the new owners. Year later I was told that one of them did not have his testicles at 6 months :b and that they waited until he was almost year, and as the testes did not come down, they had him castrated.

These people also were not angry, they bought the pup as a pet, and pet dogs are routinely castrated here anyway, but I still feel very embarrassed about it.

In any case you should contact the breeder. If you bought pup with papers as a show prospect you certainly have reason to complain.

:luck: Lida

NEVER again go to the vet who confuses accessory sex glands and testicles. I wonder where was he/she qualified??????

 

[urchin]

Thankyou ILKC - doesn't seem like this plan would work then. I wondered because my friends bitch had a tumour which was only found because of raised levels of something-or-other found in a blood test. It was a nasty and lethal abdominal tumour, which no one could feel (even when they knew from the bloods that there must be something somewhere) but luckily it seems to have been found in time (Gromit would be a huge loss to the canine world!)

here's another question (and sorry to hijack your thread Binx - but it is related, honest!)

as it's only 1 testical that's retracted - is there any reason why he shouldn't just have that one removed? leaving him with 1 and his hormones intact?

the vet said it made more sense to have both off - but, he might have been thinking of the expense to me, should he later have to have the other one removed..........and i really couldn't care less about what Dij costs me!

someone else mentioned that up to theage of 2, the testical could descend, so - if he is to have an op when is the best time to do it - am thinking about leaving it long enough for the hidden one to reappear, but catching it before the age that cancer becomes a big risk? when might this be?

Gosh, i've never talked so much *cough* TESTICALS in all my life!

 

[urchin]

Seraphina..............any way you could talk me through the massage technique/provide diagrams - or is this a hands-on teaching experience only? :- "

 

[»Tina«]

Well, if the puppy did not have testicles descended the breeder should have told you.  You certainly have a reason to be angry.Whippets and other sighthounds seem to have lot of problems in this department.  I always explain this to new owners, show them their new boy has them, tell them it is possible they will go back in, then I show them what to do if that happens.  Finally, I ask them to call me if a testicle is missing and they cannot massage it down.

However, 18 months ago I had a litter with 3 boys who all had their testes down within days of birth, I checked them regularly until they went to their new homes at 9 weeks, and as they all had fair size testes, had them in scrotum all this time, I did not bother to give my testicle lesson to the new owners.  Year later I was told that one of them did not have his testicles at 6 months  :b   and that they waited until he was almost year, and as the testes did not come down, they had him castrated.

These people also were not angry, they bought the pup as a pet, and pet dogs are routinely castrated here anyway, but I still feel very embarrassed about it.

In any case you should contact the breeder.  If you bought pup with papers as a show prospect you certainly have reason to complain.

:luck: Lida

NEVER again go to the vet who confuses accessory sex glands and testicles.  I wonder where was he/she qualified??????

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I've got no idea where she's from or been trained, but this is the nearest vets to me and so I thought that I'd pop him there as he's not a very good traveler, the vet's I went to this morning is the vets I take all my dogs usually, but it is a bit further to travel, but from now weather Binx poo's or is sick on me he will be going to this vet,

I'm not angry or upset at all now, these things happen and I still have the hope that Binx's testes will drop in time, I was planning to take Binx to a few compainion/fun dog shows, would I still be able to do this?

and like urchin if Binx's testes do not drop what will be the right time to have them removed in case of cancer?

 

[Seraphina]

I do not think cancer is an imminent threat; so do not worry too much.

If you can feel them, you should be able to try to massage them down. Get him really relaxed, lying on his back. Just feel gently along the shaft of his penis. It is not easy to describe. But if you find them they should move quite easily backwards to the scrotum. I have only done this on little pups, less than 8 weeks of age. When they get older and the testes bigger they may not be so easy to move. The thing is removing them surgically from inside the abdomen is not as simple as castration when they have properly descended.

Lida

 

[Seraphina]

With little puppies, who's testicles are moving freely up and down - you know one moment they are there next one is gone- I find the easiest way is to sit the puppy next to me on my left (I am right handed). Put my left arm around him, take his front legs (under his elbows) into my left hand and lift them up, so he sits up, and I press his body towards me by my left arm and elbow. Then I run fingers of my right hand over his abdomen gently massaging the testicle down. I am not sure if that would work on older dogs whos abdominal muscles are lot stronger than in little pups.

Lida

 

[ILoveKettleChips]

as it's only 1 testical that's retracted - is there any reason why he shouldn't just have that one removed? leaving him with 1 and his hormones intact?the vet said it made more sense to have both off

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I'd recommend both are removed for the simple reason that I would want to ensure that this dog could never pass on its genes. But that's getting back to the neutering issue which I don't think anyone wants to do right now .

someone else mentioned that up to theage of 2, the testical could descend, so - if he is to have an op when is the best time to do it - am thinking about leaving it long enough for the hidden one to reappear, but catching it before the age that cancer becomes a big risk? when might this be?

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Likelihood of any testicles descending after 12 weeks is pretty small, after 6 months is virtually non-existent and at 2 years it's just not going to happen. There will be those who say they have known it, but these cases are usually dogs with open inguinal rings which are at risk of herniation and whose testes can move up and down quite freely. My opinion is that it is morally wrong to breed from a dog with late-descending testes because of the risk of breeding a litter with undescended testes.

The risk of cancer can't really be assessed for an individual dog to the extent that one could suggest an age where it would be best - but I'd suggest that you take into account that younger dogs are less likely to have any problems with surgery and anaesthesia and opt to do it while the animal is fit and well.

 

[lizzyb]

sorry it was bad news today Tina ,At the end of the day it will be your decision when , if ,you have him done . But give him time to grow :huggles: :thumbsup:

 

[»Tina«]

Thanks everyone!

I will give Binx all the time in the world, but I do not want to put his health at risk at all, balls or no balls I still love him and always will, he's my baby :wub: