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[kim & Tilly]

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[SIZE=14pt]Just a thought, is there a list of breeders and scoring for them?[/SIZE]

 

I have noticed that there are a few breeders who havent given KC papers or people have had problems with :rant: ......on the other hand there are many wonderful breeders out there :thumbsup: .

 

So how do people not in the know tell them apart?? :unsure:

 

[Paula Roberts]

if you get in touch with the kennel club they have a list of all k.c. registered dogs so they should all have papers.

but the best advice is dont take a puppy without its papers.

 

[kim & Tilly]

But is there like a guide.....like

Breeder no 1 - ped pups, excelent after care, KC papers, would use again

Breeder no 2 - non ped pups, good after care, no KC papers, may use again

Breeder no 3 - Ped pups, bad after care, no KC papers, lots of problems

Something like that

 

[Paula Roberts]

as far as i know there isnt. but people always talk so word gets round if its a bad or a good breeder

 

[kim & Tilly]

True.....i guess people could come on here and ask if the breeder they are using is well known or not.......

 

[Mark Roberts]

No theres no list like that.

The best way to find a pup is through personal recomendation,(stay away from newpaper ads) anyone who breeds a litter can register that litter for sale with the KC club.

just because a litter is advertised through the kennel club dont automaticly think that a litter is good quality or that the breeder is reputable.

ring the breeder ask loads of questions go and see the litter on the understanding you are there to look not buy, any reputable breeder will not push you to make a purchase there and then but would be happy for you to think about it?.

check to see if the pups are happy a healthy little of pups should be all over you wanting to play.

As Paula has said never collect a pup and pay your money out if all the correct paper work isnt there as any responsible breeder would have everything organised before the pup was due for collection.

 

[Paula Roberts]

Exactly if your not sure ask any reputable breeder wont mind talking to you and answering any questions you may have.

 

[wild whippies]

Agree that reputation and word of mouth are good points to go by but after seeing the condition of the pups Becka rescued, I have to say that K.C. registration is no guarantee on a reputable breeder. What I do advise though is go on your instincts when visiting a breeder, is the place / kennels clean and tidy? Are the dogs in good condition? e.g. teeth clean, nails short etc Have the pups been examined by a vet for a health check? Do they have detailed diet sheets / aftercare? Also do they ask questions about you, your family home, your lifestyle, your property etc. If they care about their dogs / puppies then they would naturally ask these questions.

Don't get me wrong KC registration is a useful form of documentation and should be guidance of a reputable breeder but your buying a puppy not paperwork and it just ain't going to happen if you chose to buy a non-ped whippet, but this doesn't mean that they as breeders are of any less calibre.

 

[anslinmcg]

Don't get me wrong KC registration is a useful form of documentation and should be guidance of a reputable breeder but your buying a puppy not paperwork and it just ain't going to happen if you chose to buy a non-ped whippet, but this doesn't mean that they as breeders are of any less calibre.

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I agree as both Macey and Byron are non ped Jill was a fantastic breeder, and now a good friend (she even cried when Macey came home with us!!) Don't know if that is a sign of a good breeder (w00t)

 

[Vicky]

Don't get me wrong KC registration is a useful form of documentation and should be guidance of a reputable breeder but your buying a puppy not paperwork and it just ain't going to happen if you chose to buy a non-ped whippet, but this doesn't mean that they as breeders are of any less calibre.

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I agree as both Macey and Byron are non ped Jill was a fantastic breeder, and now a good friend (she even cried when Macey came home with us!!) Don't know if that is a sign of a good breeder (w00t)

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I would say definitely yes - it means they aren't blase about letting puppies go and have treated them as if they are one of the family.

 

[Vicky]

I wouldn't breed a litter and sell to anyone but friends anyway, that way you know that you will see them often and the new owner will have no qualms about talking to you if they have a problem.

 

[Paula Roberts]

if you are going to buy a pedigree then the paperwork is important otherwise you cant race it or show it in anything but non ped and a dog with no paperwork is a non ped

 

[Karen]

breeders should have plenty of time to register the dogs at the KC before new owners come and visit, I sometimes wonder if some people wait to get some puppy money in before they can afford to register, IMO, in which case they shouldnt really be breeding. Once the puppies have gone there seems no hurry to register, then they have probably spent the money on a DVD player :blink:

 

[chelynnah]

Yes they do have plenty of time, but it also depends on if they're having trouble deciding who they're keeping. When we got Teya the breeders and I were unsure who was getting who until about two days before I went to get her, and because we each had registered names we wanted our dogs to have (and they were kind enough to let me choose a registered name within their theme) the whole litter wasn't registered. So the papers were sent off by them within a day or two of me picking her up and followed as soon as they got them. So there ARE legitimate reasons for not having papers right away - but you have to go with your gut and with recommendations.

Wendy

 

[oakmoorehill]

My pups were sold without their papers as I had to wait for the kenel club to aprove my afix.

I asked at crufts and the kc stand told me if I registered the pups before I would have to get al the papers back to have the afix put onto their names when it was aproved

I showed everyone both parents papers and explained why the pups papers were not available and they al said that was ok I posted them of to the owners imediately I received them and then phoned or emailed them al to say they were in the post

 

[Mark Roberts]

Sometimes there are genuine cases like those mentioned above why KC papers are passed on after the pup has been collected, but it's those who advetise pups as Pedigree/KC registard that have no intentions of ever registering the litter that are the problem.

 

[Vicky]

Hmmm and back to the meaning of the word non ped:

Non ped = do not know the parentage of the dog, this is not the case with most whippets (ped or non ped). The fact that they are kc registered doesn't make them any more of a pedigree that one who isn't, just means they dont have a bit of paperwork.

I can trace the parentage of my dogs back further than any of the kc forms, so really non ped is the wrong word to use, should actually be non kc registered.

 

[Mark Roberts]

Well without that bit of paperwork!.

you cant show under KC rules.

you cant race under WCRA rules.

you couldnt course under NWCC rules.

so that little bit of paper as you call it is very important if you do want to take part in any of those dissaplines.

So I take it you'll be asking Nigel to change the names of the racing forums to KC REG & NON KC REG lol.

 

[Judy]

I think the point that everyone is making, one way or another, is that the fact of KC registration in itself has no bearing on whether or not the breeder is a good one. What counts is how the puppies have been raised and whether the parents were suitable in the first place. Also if the breeder says that they are, or are going to be, KC registered, that they aren't lying.

I dont think any of our dogs were already registered when we picked them up for the same reasons that Wendy gave but we have known the breeders quite well beforehand so it was never a worry.

If you don't already know the breeder then I think I would always try to check them out first by asking around. Any good breeder would try and check out a buyer that they didn't know too so it goes both ways. Its just as much as a worry for the breeder if they are any good. Its the ones who don't care who they sell to as long as they've got the money that should be avoided.

Of course, not everyone wants a KC registered puppy. In the case of the non-ped racers it would be a distinct disadvantage :lol:

 

[Mark Roberts]

I dont think any of our dogs were already registered when we picked them up for the same reasons that Wendy gave but we have known the breeders quite well beforehand so it was never a worry.

Thats the poiunt Judy, you knew the breeders so knew you would definatly get the paper work, the problem lies when someone buys from a newspaper ad and gets a promise of the paperwork being forwarded later? this could be genuine but the problem is for those who buy one and the papers never turn up their stuck! the KC dont seem interested in helping so theres noone they can turn to.