Breeding With Greyhounds

[Fleesh]

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Greyhounds have been bred into the Non-Ped lines for years now. We've seen all sizes of pup produced and we've seen those that make the grade and those that don't quite reach open class.

Being a newbie to this breeding lark I pose a question to those that breed from Greyhounds either as Dam or Sire.

What is it you look for in a Greyhound for breeding ?

Do the dam/sire lines really matter to you or are you not bothered so long as the greyhound goes to a top class racing whippet ?

Do the greyhound lines matter to you more than the whippet lines or vice versa ?

Are you looking for a particular feature than can only be achieved by breeding from a greyhound ?

Is a greyhounds track performance NGRC or otherwise, more of a deciding factor in it's quality for your use than it's bloodlines are ?

Does the quality of greyhound littermates enter the equation ?

Finally: When it comes to breeding a cross Grey x Whippet to another Grey x Whippet do you concentrate only on the stud/dam lines on the whippet side of things or do you look to see if they greyhound bloodlines "gel" also ? Which do you tend to look at more when breeding Grey x Whippet to Grey x Whippet ?

There's something to keep you all busy for now :teehee: .

 

[JOHNG]

personally i think the majority of greyhounds are well bred,i remember years ago there was a greyhound called brown sugar could'nt catch a cold but when it was lined with a whippet i.e. mr benn,bonnie tinker,nott free. she produced some very good dogs. )

one thing i don't agree with is breeding with a whippet x greyhound to a full greyhound but that's my personal opinion :- "

i know that will be a sore point with some racers but it's what i think :- "

 

[GRAHAM PEM]

personally i think the majority of greyhounds are well bred,i remember years ago there was a greyhound called brown sugar could'nt catch a cold but when it was lined with a whippet i.e. mr benn,bonnie tinker,nott free. she produced some very good dogs. )
one thing i don't agree with is breeding with a whippet x greyhound to a full greyhound but that's my personal opinion :- " 

i know that will be a sore point with some racers but it's what i think :- "

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YOUR ALLOWED YOUR OPINION JOHN

 

[Fleesh]

Don't you have one to add Graham :thumbsup:

 

[GRAHAM PEM]

I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP MY OPINIONS TO MYSELF BUT MANDY SAYS THE BIGGER THE BETTER THATS WHY SHES PUT IN FOR A DIVORCE.

 

[Fleesh]

Nice one Mandy :thumbsup:

 

[unwanted]

personally i think the majority of greyhounds are well bred,i remember years ago there was a greyhound called brown sugar could'nt catch a cold but when it was lined with a whippet i.e. mr benn,bonnie tinker,nott free. she produced some very good dogs.

one thing i don't agree with is breeding with a whippet x greyhound to a full greyhound but that's my personal opinion

i know that will be a sore point with some racers but it's what i think. TOTALLY AGREE JOHN (NOW THERE'S A 1ST 4 ME LOL)

 

[Fleesh]

Right we have 2 that think that the breeding of the greyhound doesn't really come into it. Thanks guys - anyone else ??

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[Paws123]

I know quite a few greyhound breeders that keep a bitch pup souly for breeding when they have breed good litters, most of these bitchs kept never see a track just used for brood

 

[milly]

The only thing I will say is a first cross whippet greyhound can weigh as much as a 3/4 greyhound 1/4 whippet.

 

[Paws123]

I remember a litter been born about 14 years ago mother and father both under 22lb...bitch from the litter was 20lb the dog same litter (Thorn Boy ) was 52lb owner was a young lad from Shildon ...bet Mr Gill can remember him

We also breed Baileys Comet 26lber to Free Wheeler 32lber and got a litter of 5 ...3 bitch's 17lb,19lb,22lb 2 dogs 40lb and 56 lb

Baileys Comet was breed ( Gypsy Rose 1/2 whippet greyhound + Dream Vision)

Freewheeler was breed ( Brown Sugar ghd + Nott Free )

Just proves you don't need to breed large dogs to get scr dogs

 

[Lolcoe]

This must be the most complicated of breeding there is.

Its a fact that nearly all greyhounds are 'well bred' but they all serve a different purpose. Firstly in greyhound breeding you will have sires who are 'stayers' or 'sprinters', very rarely will you get a good all rounder. Secondly, good breeders know what dogs are suited to which track after rearing and schooling.

I saw on one mating though someone used a long distance greyhound - what's the point in that? unless you want stamina put into the line of the whippet?

Knockeevan Star, Daves Mentor and Slaneyside Hare lines would be worthwhile if crossbreeding for good early pace.

With some good bitches and equally excellent dogs in non ped racing, as far as i've witnessed, why over complicate things? Just enjoy the racing!

 

[jeffb]

agree john the thing i cant understand since i got back into racing is if people want a bit of size about there dogs, why on earth dont breeders use some of the cracking heavyweight dogs about like north to south,hell bound son of a bitch, storm bird etc etc etc.

in the 70s and the 80s if you had a small lightweight bitch and you wanted a bit of size about your pups you go to a heavy weight dog like irish wish or mo evil and visa versa if you wanted smaller pups,not now the waste of these dogs to the breeding of whippets is a disgrace i think there is something to be said about bringing a stud register and make sure we know what things are bred out of

 

[mutley]

most whippets have greyhound blood cant see a problem myself wouldn't mind a pup out of say son of a bitch to a decent greyhound :thumbsup:

 

[gary farmer]

i can not think of any other breed where you would keep the smallest back for breeding every time. in most cases and i say most cases the smallest is the runt of the litter this does not make it the weekest but with the yard allowance system you can be fooled in to thinking you have a stronger dog than you thiink

.if you have a litter of say five pups 18 20 30 40 and lets say 50 lb people think lets keep the 18 and 20 lb there proper whippets.the fact is the other pups have as much chance of breedig small because they have the same genes and are in my opinion the better breeding stock o :b

i also think if we are going to use greyhounds for breeding then we should not be seen to be capping dogs as surgested by some people why would anybodywant to keep a pup for the first year of its life and find its great runner then get rid because it as gone over the weight or size and as no where to run thank god this as not happend YET. :thumbsup:

 

[gary farmer]

forgot to tell you

i have just put my 35lb dog stag possessed to a greyhound and was looked upon as a naughty school boy this would have been ok if i had used one of his litter mates of 18 or 20lb the pups are now 14 weeks old and there is not one that looks

like making a no limit infact the one ive kept is 11lb at 14 weeks dog pup. :b

good luck gary :cheers: : :luck:

 

[billyboy45]

Knockeven not only throws early ,he also throws guts or in other words,Heart.If they havent got heart then what use is early pace.Ive had a lot of bitches over the last 6or7 years and i find that the auzy blood just hasnt goy heart or gameness or whatever you want to call it.just phone any of the schoolin tracks over here and they'll tell you the same.In the last few years ive had 3 or 4 pure Irish bitches and they were head cases you couldnt get a rabbit of them quick enough before it wasnt worth gettin,were'as the auzy bitches i have had ,will carry a rabbit around for long enough ,and when they are finished with them ive seen some run away,to be caught again 4 or 5 times.Ive just sent a Knockeven bitch across ,and we nicknamed her the mad thing,as she feared nothing on 4 legs.She had severe early but could stay for ever .Unfortunately she was badly injured as a 12 month old sapplin.She was out of KNOCKEVEN X RELOAD.Reload is a litter sister to Glencloy swift ,one of the best bitches ever bred in the north of ireland and contested for bitch of the year twice.(Check out this line,eg Level Bet line)one of the best lines in Ireland.Reason i didnt breed Greyhounds from her .Couldnt be bothered anymore cause of drugs n stuff n cheatin.+ am going back into the WhippetxGreyhounds for a bit of crack,(cause thats exactly what it should be) And also because i had made a man a promise 8 years ago that i would get him the right one some day,i recon this one is the right one.As far as breeding from staying bitches, why not.Ive hunted all my bitches,won over 100 racing championships at lurcher shows,and before anyone says anything,thats all we had over here,and i schooled them on the tracks n beat quite a lot of good Greyhounds.17,01 DERRY old track,when 17,40 was a decent run for 300.and 18,06 325, old track Lifford.So i recon i could have held my own. If a bitch has early and can stay then i would breed from her ,but only if she's 100%IRISH.We used to have to run 4,, 500 yrd races in one afternoon and they were 500 yds.So you had to be able to stay.

 

[billyboy45]

personally i think the majority of greyhounds are well bred,i remember years ago there was a greyhound called brown sugar could'nt catch a cold but when it was lined with a whippet i.e. mr benn,bonnie tinker,nott free. she produced some very good dogs. 
one thing i don't agree with is breeding with a whippet x greyhound to a full greyhound but that's my personal opinion 

i know that will be a sore point with some racers but it's what i think.                    TOTALLY AGREE JOHN (NOW THERE'S A 1ST 4 ME LOL)

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YOU CANT GET TO 5/8,3/8 OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND WITHOUT GOING GREYHOUND A FEW TIMES.EVEN TO BREED TWO 3/4 BREDS TOGETHER YOU HAVE TO HAVE USED FOUR GREYHOUNDS,PREFERABLY ALL BITCHES,AS I BELIEVE THIS WAY THROWS THE FASTER LINE.I HAVE BEEN BREEDING WHIPPETXGREYHOUNDS FOR OVER 20 ODD YEARS AND FIND 5/8 G 3/8 W TO BE THE BEST ALL ROUND CROSS,MY BEST 3/4 BREDS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN 3/4 TO 3/4 BRED.THESE WERE MY BEST RACE DOGS TOO . BUT EVERYONE HAS THERE PREFERENCE . MINE WORKED FIRST THEN RACED.BUT NOW THAT IM A BIT OLDER AND WISER ,I DONT THINK THEY'LL WORK AS MUCH ANYMORE,CAUSE MANY A GOOD RACING DOG CAN BE FINNISHED BEFORE HE GETS STARTED.MY SECOND YEAR TO GO TO CHATSWORTH I FORGOT THE DOGS GRUB AND WENT LAMPING ON THE WAY DOWN FROM STRANREAR TO CARLISLE WITH MY RACING BITCHES. KILLED 18 BUNNIES AND MADE MY WAY TO CHATSWORTH TO RACE IN THE MORNING.A HEADCASE I KNOW ,BUT SURE LOOK WHERE I COME FROM.IF YOU ASK PAT MATHEWS HE'LL BACK THIS STORY UP.I HAVE A LITTER AT THE MINUTE 6 WEEKS OLD ,OUT OF A BROTHER OF MINSTER ROCKET TO A SPIRAL NIKITA BITCH,AND THE SIZE DIFFERENCE IS UNBELIEVABLE . ONE OF THE DOGS IS ALMOST TWICE THAT OF ANOTHER,IM TRYING AT THE MINUTE TO WORK OUT EXACTLY THE %AGE AS I INTEND PUTTING THE SMALLEST ONE OVER MY 23 INCH BITCH OUT OF SILVER, WHO IS OUT OF JACK(CORNISH BOBS BROTHER)TO MY TARN BITCH,4 YEARS ALL IRELAND CHAMPION,BOTH 3/4 BREDS.JACK WON THE ALL IRELAND OVERS TOO SO THEY SHOULD BE DECENT PUPS.SILVER WAS BEAT IN THE FINAL AT CHATSWORTH DUE TO A CAREAR ENDING INJURY.ANYWAY IVE SAID FAR TO MUCH HERE AND I CAN HARDLY SEE THE LETTERS ON THIS KEYBOARD SO GOODNIGHT AND SAFE RACIN

 

[billyboy45]

personally i think the majority of greyhounds are well bred,i remember years ago there was a greyhound called brown sugar could'nt catch a cold but when it was lined with a whippet i.e. mr benn,bonnie tinker,nott free. she produced some very good dogs. 
one thing i don't agree with is breeding with a whippet x greyhound to a full greyhound but that's my personal opinion 

i know that will be a sore point with some racers but it's what i think.                    TOTALLY AGREE JOHN (NOW THERE'S A 1ST 4 ME LOL)

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YOU CANT GET TO 5/8,3/8 OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND WITHOUT GOING GREYHOUND A FEW TIMES.EVEN TO BREED TWO 3/4 BREDS TOGETHER YOU HAVE TO HAVE USED FOUR GREYHOUNDS,PREFERABLY ALL BITCHES,AS I BELIEVE THIS WAY THROWS THE FASTER LINE.I HAVE BEEN BREEDING WHIPPETXGREYHOUNDS FOR OVER 20 ODD YEARS AND FIND 5/8 G 3/8 W TO BE THE BEST ALL ROUND CROSS,MY BEST 3/4 BREDS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN 3/4 TO 3/4 BRED.THESE WERE MY BEST RACE DOGS TOO . BUT EVERYONE HAS THERE PREFERENCE . MINE WORKED FIRST THEN RACED.BUT NOW THAT IM A BIT OLDER AND WISER ,I DONT THINK THEY'LL WORK AS MUCH ANYMORE,CAUSE MANY A GOOD RACING DOG CAN BE FINNISHED BEFORE HE GETS STARTED.MY SECOND YEAR TO GO TO CHATSWORTH I FORGOT THE DOGS GRUB AND WENT LAMPING ON THE WAY DOWN FROM STRANREAR TO CARLISLE WITH MY RACING BITCHES. KILLED 18 BUNNIES AND MADE MY WAY TO CHATSWORTH TO RACE IN THE MORNING.A HEADCASE I KNOW ,BUT SURE LOOK WHERE I COME FROM.IF YOU ASK PAT MATHEWS HE'LL BACK THIS STORY UP.I HAVE A LITTER AT THE MINUTE 6 WEEKS OLD ,OUT OF A BROTHER OF MINSTER ROCKET TO A SPIRAL NIKITA BITCH,AND THE SIZE DIFFERENCE IS UNBELIEVABLE . ONE OF THE DOGS IS ALMOST TWICE THAT OF ANOTHER,IM TRYING AT THE MINUTE TO WORK OUT EXACTLY THE %AGE AS I INTEND PUTTING THE SMALLEST ONE OVER MY 23 INCH BITCH OUT OF SILVER, WHO IS OUT OF JACK(CORNISH BOBS BROTHER)TO MY TARN BITCH,4 YEARS ALL IRELAND CHAMPION,BOTH 3/4 BREDS.JACK WON THE ALL IRELAND OVERS TOO SO THEY SHOULD BE DECENT PUPS.SILVER WAS BEAT IN THE FINAL AT CHATSWORTH DUE TO A CAREAR ENDING INJURY.ANYWAY IVE SAID FAR TO MUCH HERE AND I CAN HARDLY SEE THE LETTERS ON THIS KEYBOARD SO GOODNIGHT AND SAFE RACIN

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i would just like to add to this and say that no matter what way you go.after the initial cross of 1/2 n 1/2 you will almost always get a mixture of everything from what looks pure Whippet to what looks like pure Greyhound with everything else thrown in for good measure.But we have a sayin over here at the tracks n its a good weein il almost always beat a good bigun.Ntheres no point goin to bed now ,when its time to get up. ( good morning.)

 

[wunwin]

Do i take it, in my ignorance of the non ped scene, that a non ped whippet is infact a lurcher? A whippit X greyhound? Why call it non ped then, why not lurcher racing?