Breeding

[Scott Frodsham]

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OK ta! :thumbsup:

 

[Judy]

I have seen many "open class" dogs who have plenty of speed, but not the balls...to use it

Assuming you are counting :lol:

 

[John E Greenwood]

OOOooohhh...I don't know , Judy......they asked me :b ....I'm only trying to be helpfull....

It's very difficult to know how much is breeding and how much training....but I would also avoid any dog which has been disqualified for turning...I've seen some who make the exact same movements to fight or impede, as I have seen their parents make...so I think that there must be a genetic element...I also think that fighting/impeding is a symptom of the inability or unwillingness to "dig deep" when under pressure....very undesirable in a racing dog.. :wub:

 

[Scott Frodsham]

I also think that fighting/impeding is a symptom of the inability or unwillingness to "dig deep" when under pressure....very undesirable in a racing dog.. :wub:

The glass is half empty/half full! :b

This could also be seen/perceived as an unwillingness to lose ? :thumbsup:

IMHO! )

 

[sue greenwood]

I also think that fighting/impeding is a symptom of the inability or unwillingness to "dig deep" when under pressure....very undesirable in a racing dog.. :wub:

The glass is half empty/half full! :b

This could also be seen/perceived as an unwillingness to lose ? :thumbsup:

IMHO! )

Forest runs true is a determined little devil and will do anything you ask him to...He races and courses and if Jo wanted to she could show him....He doesn't need to fight to get what he wants he knows he can do it and handsome too..This year should be a good year all round for that litter of pups .. Temperament is important no matter what animal you are breeding.

 

[Strike Whippets]

.and I've NEVER seen one from his line jib.....I discounted some other well known sires, which have bred good racing and/or coursing dogs, because I have seen some dogs of their breeding jib.

I'm not meaning to be rude John but I know you'll find that there are dogs in this line that "jib" as you call it, and there is definatly the same testical problems in this line as is in so many other racing lines ..........I do feel that when breeding as you said, there should be depth in that litter.......Look at say Kerrecs Magic Dream ........She's really a show bred who has a bitch in there who became a racing champion (but I heard that lots of people said she was a fluke)..........Anyway heres a bitch of "different" breeding who produced decent open class dogs in her first litter (who can also work :thumbsup: ), that were in the harder weight classes and proved themselves ........Then shes mated again to a different line to produce a good strong litter with one of the best bitches to grace the open scene this year ........Now thats what I call strength and depth

 

[John E Greenwood]

There are lots of good dogs out there Hanna.....and what suits one person doesn't always apeal to everyone, it wouldn't do for us all to be alike......I was asked for my opinion specifically, so I gave it..

Congratulations to Kerrecs Magic Dream and her connections, I wish them all the best for the future.

 

[sparky]

hi john, you certainly thought about this breeding and have put the time into them, and are now reaping the rewards of your time and thought. regards sparky.

 

[Terry & Sheila Smith]

..He is a powerfull, well buit dog, which I like, his ears are good and he has 2 balls, not an extreme "racing type"....

Thought you took her to a 20lb monorchid up in Scotland first but got nowt.

My mistake.

Terry Smith

 

[Scott Frodsham]

 

[Terry & Sheila Smith]

Not that much of an luv. The last line was just self effacing humour.

Terry Smith

 

[Judy]

Just as a dog used at stud should have merit (which you can presume they do in the eyes of a breeder who uses them) so should the bitch. Of course anyone who breeds from their bitch can always see the merit in them

At least we still we have the freedom to decide for ourselves in this country.

 

[John E Greenwood]

..He is a powerfull, well buit dog, which I like, his ears are good and he has 2 balls, not an extreme "racing type"....

Thought you took her to a 20lb monorchid up in Scotland first but got nowt.

My mistake.

Terry Smith

[SIZE=14pt] Merry Xmas Terry[/SIZE]

I hope that I learn by my mistakes....MOST of us do......maybe I've learned something from those pleasant talks we had on summer evenings over a pint, after racing at Gin Pit??

I'm not sure what exactly has changed since then, except that maybe I've enjoyed a bit of success with my dogs.......We all need some luck, and I admit, I've had my share....but I've also put in the time and effort.

It is a shame if jealousy is allowed to spoil a friendship based upon a mutual love of dogs and sport...I won't ask you to explain the thought processes involved in you producing your last litter..cos I'm not like that.

All the best to you and Sheila, and the kids....and I apologies for whatever it is which I've done to upset you (but it would be nice to know what it is :blink: )..I have fond memories of those Gin Pit evenings.

 

[Terry & Sheila Smith]

I won't ask you to explain the thought processes involved in you producing your last litter..cos I'm not like that.

Thought you knew John I've told everybody else. Joe nailed Rosie, his half sister. We did have Dove booked to what we considered a nice looking dog from a successful line. So we were in breeding mode anyway. As you know I've never been keen on close breeding so my first reaction was to book Rosie in for a shot. However that would have meant another season following directly on from her existing season plus both were in our opinion nice looking dogs, both had picked cards up in the ring, both could move a bit on occasion. I also sought the opinions of the owner we had Dove booked to, a well respected lady with about 50 yrs experience & other breeders who had years of experience (i.e more than 6 or 7). I have no reservations about seeking the advice of those I respect & as you can see from this mail none about admitting I seek the advice of others. On our gut feelings plus their advice we let the mating stand. Two of these were considered good enough to export without us touting them & running an advertising campaign on this or any other site. Incidentally both of these have produced show winning progeny on the continent. In fact one of their progeny is a kennel mate to one of your illustrious breeding. We kept Daisy out of that litter mainly because my daughter took to her & because we didn't consider her that saleable. Knowing full well she would probably not do anything for our egos. not that our egos are that well developed. In the absence of the said egos I don't know if the inference of jealousy has any weight. True we don't have the joys of open racing. Standing around in the rain after a 2 hour journey listening to people tell us what a great!! dog this or that light boned mono is, is one of lifes delectations I must admit.

Anyway lets get down to hoi lads hoi. Am I lying or did you first use a 20-22 lb mono over Piper? Did you in fact intend to take her back for a return mating after she didn't take first time?

Is the fact we breed what you consider to be crap the reason you sent one of your buddies over with that little bedi after your dog turned it's nose up at it? Something we obliged YOU with as a personal favour.

Happy new year John.

Terry Smith

 

[John E Greenwood]

Oh dear.....no Terry....some of that is not true.....anyway...I respect you ....both as a person,and as a breeder of dogs, which I know you love and care for....

All I can say is, I regret this exchange.....I hope that you do too....see you around.

 

[sue greenwood]

There is one thing i would like to say.John has spent more than 6-7 years breeding animals infact it's over 30 years.In each case regardless of whether it was for racing ,hunting or for other abilities,he has given considerable thought to what he is doing.He has spoken to many people about what he is doing and sort their advice including Terry Smith. I have listened to many people on the race circuit and if we are striving to produce some future animals to be the next champions John's opinion is definately worth listening to.As piper originates from a mating that has Joe as a grandparent surely it would make sense for Terry to be interested and encouraging towards John to move forward as he is doing. Barney is a beautiful dog with a wonderful temperament he is also a courageous beast. I will continue to help John take Barney and Twister his sister racing.Barney may not have mated with that bedlington and John was right to send him in your direction not for a favour but because it was obvious on this instance a more mature and more experienced dog was required.Looking at Piper Pups Johanna in germany has chosen another dog that originates from joe aswell as having Gime from Piper she obviously likes this line as I think she wishes to mate them together. Terry if I was you, get interested and try to help others improve not try to hold them back.

 

[Judy]

Terry - just for you luv.

2 balls = entire

1 ball = monorchid

0 balls = anorchid

1 ball down and one up = CRYPTORCHID not monorchid

both balls up = bilateral cryptorchid.

 

[Scott Frodsham]

Terry (Luv),

I cannot decide if you are merely spicing up the debate or having a dig at John's breeding history? :b If it is the former, fair enough debate is healthy and this is what the site is all about. If it is the latter, I'd ask if John's breeding is so questionable, why did you try to get the use of one of Piper's pups as stud to a friend of yours bitch ?

Regards,

Scott.

 

[Terry & Sheila Smith]

, I'd ask if John's breeding is so questionable, why did you try to get the use of one of Piper's pups as stud to a friend of yours bitch ?

What questions have I raised about his breeding? Nothing wrong with his breeding. I often considered using Sunshine myself & thought Johns lines would tie in nicely with the bitch you mentioned. Believe or not thats why I asked to use one of them.

Once again no questions over the breeding find me the quote where I do. At this festive time of year I find making every third one a lemonade helps me concentrate better. That & not dragging on every pass.

Terry Smith

 

[Terry & Sheila Smith]

Oh dear.....no Terry....some of that is not true

Which bits am I lying about John?

Terry Smith