Chatsworth 2008

[milly]

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Billy if the top "lurcher men dont go there" where do they go as ive chased them all round the country.  so  if  Big Phil & Lou   and Stuart & Becki ..Simon & Jill (storm) and Darren & Keith (ollie)  arent the top people in the lurcher scene  id love to know who are.  :wacko:
ive raced the length and breadth of the country and havent seen better.  me thinks many people from my country need to forget about 30 years ago and do what i do....

      GO LOOKING FOR COMPETETION IN THE PRESENT  :thumbsup:

mayb next year ill bring a few new faces and maybe a few old ones with me on my conquests  :thumbsup:

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See some of us have other responsibilities,like running a home,and reaing our kids.Seems that takes up quite a bit of money and time.Don't seem to be any change left over at the end of every week or so,to go sailng round the half of Britain.When i did go over to Chatsworth,there were the likes of Mr Fleatcher,All the Palmers,and the Evans's,+ all the Mathews,and loads ,n loads more of the elite in lurcher racing.Don't think you would even count against some of the old school.It took me months to save for Chatsworth each year,and it was the highlight of the racing season for me.Now i wouldn't even class it as decent venue,worth visiting.I guess Mr Fletcher could add a few more names to my list,that aren't around anymore.Don't know if Vicky Growcock even attends it now.The Cornish Champuionships is the one id be after now.

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I do still attend Billy and will be there this year but not to compete in the racing its not what it used to be I shall just go for the showing as I have one qualified for the final Vicki

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Ahh,Vicki.Didn't even know you were on here girl.How r u keeping.I remember the year you're Gemini won.What a bitch.She threw some good pups too.That must have been one of the best litters ever bred at the time,as it contained Cornish Bob,Stag Party,and the jack dog who i bought from P J Evans.Then the repeat, threw it all over again,in Grahams Dream litter.You,re Gemini would be an aunt of my Tara bitch.As you say Vicki,Chatsworth is not what it used to be.Should be interesting this year though,if a certain few people turn up on the racing line.Don't think they still have it though,as they're like me now.Too old,ha ha ha.Go on.Prove me wrong Geoff lol. :luck: in the final Vicki,and let us know how you get on.

...Billy...

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I will do my very best Billy with these 60 year old hands, especially when they are holding that hog roast :lol:

 

[Fleesh]

Thats got to be A&Ts mini bus Geoff can see Major Luck,Maizee Mu and Rapscallion in it :- "  :lol:

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Nooo, its Maltby's club dogs :lol: that's Hellbound :lol:

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They'll never get there, that's Connor's Dream driving. Be arriving Monday morning (w00t) .

 

[J.T.]

Good luck to everyone who's running. If any of you have a moment to spare on Saturday pop down the hill to the agility ring & say hello :thumbsup:

I'll be the one with the skinny red lurcher & the noisy grey & white one. Unless she gets wind of the coursing at the top of the hill (w00t) & then she'll come to see you all up there.

:cheers:

Julie.

 

[helsbels16]

Billy if the top "lurcher men dont go there" where do they go as ive chased them all round the country.  so  if  Big Phil & Lou   and Stuart & Becki ..Simon & Jill (storm) and Darren & Keith (ollie)  arent the top people in the lurcher scene  id love to know who are.  :wacko:
ive raced the length and breadth of the country and havent seen better.  me thinks many people from my country need to forget about 30 years ago and do what i do....

      GO LOOKING FOR COMPETETION IN THE PRESENT  :thumbsup:

mayb next year ill bring a few new faces and maybe a few old ones with me on my conquests  :thumbsup:

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See some of us have other responsibilities,like running a home,and reaing our kids.Seems that takes up quite a bit of money and time.Don't seem to be any change left over at the end of every week or so,to go sailng round the half of Britain.When i did go over to Chatsworth,there were the likes of Mr Fleatcher,All the Palmers,and the Evans's,+ all the Mathews,and loads ,n loads more of the elite in lurcher racing.Don't think you would even count against some of the old school.It took me months to save for Chatsworth each year,and it was the highlight of the racing season for me.Now i wouldn't even class it as decent venue,worth visiting.I guess Mr Fletcher could add a few more names to my list,that aren't around anymore.Don't know if Vicky Growcock even attends it now.The Cornish Champuionships is the one id be after now.

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I THINK THE BEST DOGS ARE IN CORNWALL,THERES A FEW LADS AND LASSES OF COARSE,WHO HAVE SOME OF THE BEST DOGS BY FAR

 

[milly]

Billy if the top "lurcher men dont go there" where do they go as ive chased them all round the country.  so  if  Big Phil & Lou   and Stuart & Becki ..Simon & Jill (storm) and Darren & Keith (ollie)  arent the top people in the lurcher scene  id love to know who are.  :wacko:
ive raced the length and breadth of the country and havent seen better.  me thinks many people from my country need to forget about 30 years ago and do what i do....

      GO LOOKING FOR COMPETETION IN THE PRESENT  :thumbsup:

mayb next year ill bring a few new faces and maybe a few old ones with me on my conquests  :thumbsup:

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See some of us have other responsibilities,like running a home,and reaing our kids.Seems that takes up quite a bit of money and time.Don't seem to be any change left over at the end of every week or so,to go sailng round the half of Britain.When i did go over to Chatsworth,there were the likes of Mr Fleatcher,All the Palmers,and the Evans's,+ all the Mathews,and loads ,n loads more of the elite in lurcher racing.Don't think you would even count against some of the old school.It took me months to save for Chatsworth each year,and it was the highlight of the racing season for me.Now i wouldn't even class it as decent venue,worth visiting.I guess Mr Fletcher could add a few more names to my list,that aren't around anymore.Don't know if Vicky Growcock even attends it now.The Cornish Champuionships is the one id be after now.

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I THINK THE BEST DOGS ARE IN CORNWALL,THERES A FEW LADS AND LASSES OF COARSE,WHO HAVE SOME OF THE BEST DOGS BY FAR

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:luck: at Chatsworth this year then

 

[dazgail]

Just to clear a few things up, it was myself who was on the phone to Billy and it was me who said that i didn't agree with his comments, and both Billy and myself are good friends. John and Roses exploits both in Northern Ireland, Ireland, England and in John's case further afield need no introduction as it is common knowledge on k9 of their huge success's. Without argument their lurchers have been the most successful this side of the water.

Opinions, as someone once said, are like noses....everybody has one....usually with two holes in it.

For a number of years if someone wanted to be successful at racing lurchers all you had to do was get the right breeding and you would have had success to some degree.

I'm sure that the likes of Flecther, Palmer, Farmer, Grocock, Taylor and others in England who were very successful in the lurchers found it much more difficult when it came to non-peds and it wasn't just a case of turning up as the quality of dogs is much better.

I also reckon that the top non-peds if they turned up at lurcher events would be very difficult to beat....but hey that's just my opinion.

I have never known as many racing bred lurchers to be in Northern Ireland as there is now.....things should be interesting over the next couple of years....all you need now is the shows to race each other at.

 

[gabbitas31]

Billy if the top "lurcher men dont go there" where do they go as ive chased them all round the country.  so  if  Big Phil & Lou   and Stuart & Becki ..Simon & Jill (storm) and Darren & Keith (ollie)  arent the top people in the lurcher scene  id love to know who are.  :wacko:
ive raced the length and breadth of the country and havent seen better.  me thinks many people from my country need to forget about 30 years ago and do what i do....

      GO LOOKING FOR COMPETETION IN THE PRESENT  :thumbsup:

mayb next year ill bring a few new faces and maybe a few old ones with me on my conquests  :thumbsup:

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See some of us have other responsibilities,like running a home,and reaing our kids.Seems that takes up quite a bit of money and time.Don't seem to be any change left over at the end of every week or so,to go sailng round the half of Britain.When i did go over to Chatsworth,there were the likes of Mr Fleatcher,All the Palmers,and the Evans's,+ all the Mathews,and loads ,n loads more of the elite in lurcher racing.Don't think you would even count against some of the old school.It took me months to save for Chatsworth each year,and it was the highlight of the racing season for me.Now i wouldn't even class it as decent venue,worth visiting.I guess Mr Fletcher could add a few more names to my list,that aren't around anymore.Don't know if Vicky Growcock even attends it now.The Cornish Champuionships is the one id be after now.

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I THINK THE BEST DOGS ARE IN CORNWALL,THERES A FEW LADS AND LASSES OF COARSE,WHO HAVE SOME OF THE BEST DOGS BY FAR

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I personally don't think we have the best lurchers in Cornwall when it comes to racing, because I've seen some of the non peds race and they are bloody fast, but it's always nice to here if a dog from down this way does well.

In my opinion Mike Palmer has the fastest dogs here at the moment but even Mike knows there are faster dogs then his out there, i think even Russel with Ash would agree with me on this one because Mike doesn't give a dog away unless he has a faster one or two in his kennel.

I don't mean to upset any one with this comment, (it's only my opinion)

Good racing folks.

:thumbsup: Diane.

 

[ladyp]

AND DONT FORGET,JAKE FROM SOMERSET, IS A VERY FAST DOG. :thumbsup:

GOOD LUCK TO ALL THE RACING DOGS AT CHATSWORTH THIS YEAR.

 

[helsbels16]

I personally don't think we have the best lurchers in Cornwall when it comes to racing, because I've seen some of the non peds race and they are bloody fast, but it's always nice to here if a dog from down this way does well.

In my opinion Mike Palmer has the fastest dogs here at the moment but even Mike knows there are faster dogs then his out there, i think even Russel with Ash would agree with me on this one because Mike doesn't give a dog away unless he has a faster one or two in his kennel.

I don't mean to upset any one with this comment, (it's only my opinion)

Good racing folks.

Diane.

hi a lurcher and a non ped are 2 differant dogs and should be on 2 differant tracks,iam sorry i was talking about lurchers not non peds,i really do beleave we have some if not the best lurchers,theres a couple of people down here who breed there own and there dogs are fantastic at show events and working look at my dog brindle and its achievments this yr and its bred to work look at a certain person who we dont mention :sweating: :sweating: and his dogs unbeleavable what they achieve,and no argueing there lurchers as well, :thumbsup:

 

[daznsar]

I personally don't think we have the best lurchers in Cornwall when it comes to racing, because I've seen some of the non peds race and they are bloody fast, but it's always nice to here if a dog from down this way does well.  In my opinion Mike Palmer has the fastest dogs here at the moment but even Mike knows there are faster dogs then his out there, i think even Russel with Ash would agree with me on this one because Mike doesn't give a dog away unless he has a faster one or two in his kennel.

I don't mean to upset any one with this comment, (it's only my opinion) 

Good racing folks.

Diane.

hi a lurcher and a non ped are 2 differant dogs and should be on 2 differant tracks,iam sorry i was talking about lurchers not non peds,i really do beleave we have some if not the best lurchers,theres a couple of people down here who breed there own and there dogs are fantastic at show events and working look at my dog brindle and its achievments this yr and its bred to work look at a certain person who we dont mention :sweating:   :sweating: and his dogs unbeleavable what they achieve,and no argueing there lurchers as well, :thumbsup:

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hi what would u call a litter of whippit x greyhounds half the litter go and do non ped racing the other half go and do lurcher racing? [not meaning anything funny by saying this] :thumbsup:

 

[helsbels16]

hi daznsar,i think the following will explain what a lurcher is.................................Lurcher

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This Lurcher "Rocky" is a mix of Greyhound, Deerhound, and Collie.The Lurcher is not a dog breed, but rather a type of dog. It is a hardy crossbred sighthound that is generally a cross between a sighthound and a working breed, usually a pastoral dog or Terrier. Collie crosses have always been very popular. Lurchers can be crossed several times. There is no set type, so they can be as small as a Whippet or as large as a Deerhound; but most are chosen for a size similar to that of a Greyhound, and a distinct sighthound form is preferred.

The Lurcher was bred in Ireland and Great Britain by the Irish Gypsies and travellers in the 17th century. They were used for poaching rabbits, hares and other small creatures. The name Lurcher is a derived name from the Romani language word lur, which means thief. The travellers considered the short-haired Lurcher the most prized. The Lurcher is rarely seen outside of Ireland or Great Britain, and is still common in its native land. The Collie crosses were often not large enough to do the work the Lurcher was intended for.

Irish Romany or Roma people were instrumental in developing the breed, and traditionally sneered at any Lurcher that was not predominantly genetically Greyhound, since these "lesser" Lurchers were not as good at hunting and could not stand a full day's work of the hunt. The stringent training methods of the Gypsies are looked down upon in some Lurcher circles, since the pups began working at six months old. Only the top-producing pups were kept; the rest were sold at traditional bargain rates. Today some breeding is carried out in a more systematic manner, with Lurchers bred to Lurchers to perpetuate the "breed's" prowess at rabbit and hare coursing.

Generally, the aim of the cross is to produce a sighthound with more intelligence, a canny animal suitable for the original purpose of the lurcher, poaching. Developed in the Middle Ages in Great Britain and Ireland, the lurcher was created because only nobility were allowed to have purebred sighthounds[citation needed] like Irish Wolfhounds, Scottish Deerhounds, and Greyhounds, whereas crosses, or curs, had no such perceived value. Similarly, nobility owned most land and commoners were not allowed to hunt game on crown land or other noble estates.

This lurcher, "Bubbles", is a cross between greyhound and terrierIt was important that the lurcher did not resemble too closely a sighthound, as the penalties for owning a sighthound were high,[citation needed] particularly given that if you owned one then by default you were considered a poacher. The original lurchers therefore were generally heavier-coated dogs who could herd sheep as well as bring home a rabbit or hare for the pot.

The lurcher has as many varied uses as types can be crossbred, but generally they are used as hunting dogs that can chase and kill their prey. Most lurchers today are used for general pest control, typically rabbits, hares, and foxes. They have also been successfully used on deer. Lurcher can be used for hare coursing, although most hare coursing dogs are Greyhounds. Lurchers move most effectively over open ground, although different crosses suit different terrains. Lure coursing and dog racing are also popular in areas with little available hunting, or for people who dislike hunting. The modern Lurcher is growing from its old image of disrepute to heights of popularity as an exceptional family dog, and many groups have been founded to rehome lurchers as family pets.

Lurchers are appearing in Alaska. Sled dog breeders are breeding sight hounds with their sled dogs to produce a faster dog. Often in the first generation, pups that do not have the coat or temperment to create a good sled dog candidate are adopted out to new non-mushing homes.

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Longdog

 

[milly]

hi daznsar,i think the following will explain what a lurcher is.................................LurcherFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jump to: navigation, search

This Lurcher "Rocky" is a mix of Greyhound, Deerhound, and Collie.The Lurcher is not a dog breed, but rather a type of dog. It is a hardy crossbred sighthound that is generally a cross between a sighthound and a working breed, usually a pastoral dog or Terrier. Collie crosses have always been very popular. Lurchers can be crossed several times. There is no set type, so they can be as small as a Whippet or as large as a Deerhound; but most are chosen for a size similar to that of a Greyhound, and a distinct sighthound form is preferred.

The Lurcher was bred in Ireland and Great Britain by the Irish Gypsies and travellers in the 17th century. They were used for poaching rabbits, hares and other small creatures. The name Lurcher is a derived name from the Romani language word lur, which means thief. The travellers considered the short-haired Lurcher the most prized. The Lurcher is rarely seen outside of Ireland or Great Britain, and is still common in its native land. The Collie crosses were often not large enough to do the work the Lurcher was intended for.

Irish Romany or Roma people were instrumental in developing the breed, and traditionally sneered at any Lurcher that was not predominantly genetically Greyhound, since these "lesser" Lurchers were not as good at hunting and could not stand a full day's work of the hunt. The stringent training methods of the Gypsies are looked down upon in some Lurcher circles, since the pups began working at six months old. Only the top-producing pups were kept; the rest were sold at traditional bargain rates. Today some breeding is carried out in a more systematic manner, with Lurchers bred to Lurchers to perpetuate the "breed's" prowess at rabbit and hare coursing.

Generally, the aim of the cross is to produce a sighthound with more intelligence, a canny animal suitable for the original purpose of the lurcher, poaching. Developed in the Middle Ages in Great Britain and Ireland, the lurcher was created because only nobility were allowed to have purebred sighthounds[citation needed] like Irish Wolfhounds, Scottish Deerhounds, and Greyhounds, whereas crosses, or curs, had no such perceived value. Similarly, nobility owned most land and commoners were not allowed to hunt game on crown land or other noble estates.

This lurcher, "Bubbles", is a cross between greyhound and terrierIt was important that the lurcher did not resemble too closely a sighthound, as the penalties for owning a sighthound were high,[citation needed] particularly given that if you owned one then by default you were considered a poacher. The original lurchers therefore were generally heavier-coated dogs who could herd sheep as well as bring home a rabbit or hare for the pot.

The lurcher has as many varied uses as types can be crossbred, but generally they are used as hunting dogs that can chase and kill their prey. Most lurchers today are used for general pest control, typically rabbits, hares, and foxes. They have also been successfully used on deer. Lurcher can be used for hare coursing, although most hare coursing dogs are Greyhounds. Lurchers move most effectively over open ground, although different crosses suit different terrains. Lure coursing and dog racing are also popular in areas with little available hunting, or for people who dislike hunting. The modern Lurcher is growing from its old image of disrepute to heights of popularity as an exceptional family dog, and many groups have been founded to rehome lurchers as family pets.

Lurchers are appearing in Alaska. Sled dog breeders are breeding sight hounds with their sled dogs to produce a faster dog. Often in the first generation, pups that do not have the coat or temperment to create a good sled dog candidate are adopted out to new non-mushing homes.

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Longdog

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Hi there helsbels, I'm so pleased you posted the above quote :thumbsup:

What would you say if I told you that a non-ped is a lurcher?

Well let me educate you :- " you young whipper snapper :lol:

Many moons ago the Staffordshire Bull Terrier was introduced into the non-peds, so you are contradicting yourself by stating that they are not lurchers :b

How many of these so called not lurchers won the lurcher events at the Cornish Lurcher Championships this year where you won a trophy? :thumbsup:

Here's just afew just to remind you..... Joe's lovely dog Buddy endurance winner :- "

Over 23" racing winner Ash :thumbsup:

Under 23" racing winner Chase

All whippet greyhounds with a itsy bitsy bit of Staffy :lol:

NICE ONE BUBBLES :lol:

 

[milly]

Just to clear a few things up, it was myself who was on the phone to Billy and it was me who said that i didn't agree with his comments, and both Billy and myself are good friends. John and Roses exploits both in Northern Ireland, Ireland, England and in John's case further afield need no introduction as it is common knowledge on k9 of their huge success's. Without argument their lurchers have been the most successful this side of the water.Opinions, as someone once said, are like noses....everybody has one....usually with two holes in it.

For a number of years if someone wanted to be successful at racing lurchers all you had to do was get the right breeding and you would have had success to some degree.

I'm sure that the likes of Flecther, Palmer, Farmer, Grocock, Taylor and others in England who were very successful in the lurchers found it much more difficult when it came to non-peds and it wasn't just a case of turning up as the quality of dogs is much better.

I also reckon that the top non-peds if they turned up at lurcher events would be very difficult to beat....but hey that's just my opinion.

I have never known as many racing bred lurchers to be in Northern Ireland as there is now.....things should be interesting over the next couple of years....all you need now is the shows to race each other at.

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Eyup young'un, my names spelt Fletcher :thumbsup:

 

[gabbitas31]

AND DONT FORGET,JAKE FROM SOMERSET, IS A VERY FAST DOG. :thumbsup: GOOD LUCK TO ALL THE RACING DOGS AT CHATSWORTH THIS YEAR.

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:- " Sorry Pat, i know Jake is fast but i was trying to keep Devon out of this one, i think when i go over the Tamar I'm in another Country, let alone another County. :thumbsup: Diane.

 

[rodders]

Its a good job Mark isn't on,he'd have to explain how a whippet/greyhound won the endurance event :lol:

 

[helsbels16]

Hi there helsbels, I'm so pleased you posted the above quote

What would you say if I told you that a non-ped is a lurcher?

Well let me educate you you young whipper snapper

Many moons ago the Staffordshire Bull Terrier was introduced into the non-peds, so you are contradicting yourself by stating that they are not lurchers .............hello,i suppose your on about when lord orford introduced bull blood in the 1600s to greyhounds,cant see what that is to do with it,and someone also mentioned a whippet greyhound winning the endurance :thumbsup: :thumbsup: ive heard about byes

 

[milly]

Hi there helsbels, I'm so pleased you posted the above quote  What would you say if I told you that a non-ped is a lurcher?

Well let me educate you  you young whipper snapper 

Many moons ago the Staffordshire Bull Terrier was introduced into the non-peds, so you are contradicting yourself by stating that they are not lurchers .............hello,i suppose your on about when lord orford introduced bull blood in the 1600s to greyhounds,cant see what that is to do with it,and someone also mentioned a whippet greyhound winning the endurance :thumbsup:   :thumbsup: ive heard about byes  

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Not at all, in 20th century :thumbsup: my old line of grews have some in them, Mini Ginny is a prime example. sorry for going off topic

 

[dazgail]

Just to clear a few things up, it was myself who was on the phone to Billy and it was me who said that i didn't agree with his comments, and both Billy and myself are good friends. John and Roses exploits both in Northern Ireland, Ireland, England and in John's case further afield need no introduction as it is common knowledge on k9 of their huge success's. Without argument their lurchers have been the most successful this side of the water.Opinions, as someone once said, are like noses....everybody has one....usually with two holes in it.

For a number of years if someone wanted to be successful at racing lurchers all you had to do was get the right breeding and you would have had success to some degree.

I'm sure that the likes of Flecther, Palmer, Farmer, Grocock, Taylor and others in England who were very successful in the lurchers found it much more difficult when it came to non-peds and it wasn't just a case of turning up as the quality of dogs is much better.

I also reckon that the top non-peds if they turned up at lurcher events would be very difficult to beat....but hey that's just my opinion.

I have never known as many racing bred lurchers to be in Northern Ireland as there is now.....things should be interesting over the next couple of years....all you need now is the shows to race each other at.

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Eyup young'un, my names spelt Fletcher :thumbsup:

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(w00t) i had a bet on that you wouldn't miss that.....guess who's a tenner better of (w00t)

looks as though Chatsworth is going to be a difficult one to win this year win with so many top doggy men/women attending. All the very best to everyone attending.

What makes a good doggy man. Does the dog make the man good or is it the man who makes the dog good?

 

[Trojan]

What makes a good doggy man. Does the dog make the man good or is it the man who makes the dog good?

had to laugh at this - as my dad always used to say even the best dog man can't make a slow dog 'fast' but on the other hand if a dog is 'fast' a bad man can be lucky. :thumbsup: sorry just brought back a memory lol

 

[milly]

Just to clear a few things up, it was myself who was on the phone to Billy and it was me who said that i didn't agree with his comments, and both Billy and myself are good friends. John and Roses exploits both in Northern Ireland, Ireland, England and in John's case further afield need no introduction as it is common knowledge on k9 of their huge success's. Without argument their lurchers have been the most successful this side of the water.Opinions, as someone once said, are like noses....everybody has one....usually with two holes in it.

For a number of years if someone wanted to be successful at racing lurchers all you had to do was get the right breeding and you would have had success to some degree.

I'm sure that the likes of Flecther, Palmer, Farmer, Grocock, Taylor and others in England who were very successful in the lurchers found it much more difficult when it came to non-peds and it wasn't just a case of turning up as the quality of dogs is much better.

I also reckon that the top non-peds if they turned up at lurcher events would be very difficult to beat....but hey that's just my opinion.

I have never known as many racing bred lurchers to be in Northern Ireland as there is now.....things should be interesting over the next couple of years....all you need now is the shows to race each other at.

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Eyup young'un, my names spelt Fletcher :thumbsup:

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(w00t) i had a bet on that you wouldn't miss that.....guess who's a tenner better of (w00t)

looks as though Chatsworth is going to be a difficult one to win this year win with so many top doggy men/women attending. All the very best to everyone attending.

What makes a good doggy man. Does the dog make the man good or is it the man who makes the dog good?

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Me too :thumbsup: but mine was for £20 :thumbsup: that you would reply before 3pm :thumbsup:

I love riddle's :thumbsup: it's the man/woman that makes the dog :thumbsup: but to be a very good dog-man/woman, you have to do it several times over and over again. One swallow doesn't make a summer :thumbsup: