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My name is Ben and i am currently in a situation where i am unsure what exactly i can do with a much loved but worrying dog. I will try and explain asmuch as possible so i do apologies in advance if this ends up being a long read.

I own a cross breed staff/border collie mix. She is just over 1 year old and while very loving has recently become exceedingly aggressive and its become a serious concern due to having 2 children around the age of 10 in the house. She is a beautiful dog so when young alot of people would come and give her attention, initially socialising was very easy on her and she would excitedly be happy to meet strangers until one day she just suddenly became wary when one particular woman wanted to say hello (another dog owner). On the side of other dogs, from the earliest she's ever seen another she has always been rather aggressive, never letting any others close to her in parks and being very aggressive to those smaller than her, this initially we understand was anxiety but taking her attention away etc never helped. She would be focused, there was never any hard chain pulling etc, she'd stand her ground until they went away. At the time she was tiny being a early summer pup but she never changed in this regard. (I personally dont believe the whole "staffys dont like other dogs" quote i hear often, as have seen plenty socialise fine so try as we might, she still never would let one near her in dog parks etc).

She's always had a very strong alpha streak, constantly dominating her toys and being generally very staffy in some stubborn ways but constant and strict training meant that she was also very obedient, had a wide variety of "tricks" and learnt at an early age what was acceptable with her "mouthing" at others, especially around the children. One thing i personally felt is the person we bought her from, while their house was well kept and the mother was very calm (the pups were fathered by a family members dog outside the home who we never met) they lied about the pups age and we got her a good 2-3 weeks earlier than she should of been. The problem was the seller was having (or claimed to) issue with a parent in hospital so not only was difficult to get hold of anyway but it felt like once we got her, we were left to it.

Within the last 2-3 months she has changed drastically. She currently isnt in heat, she eats well and is very active but she has taken to become very aggressive at anything and everything outside the home. We initially thought this may be anxiety issues and have been doing more training (positive touching and re-enforcement) and calming techniques and using special calming collars etc to no effect.

There has been a large outside influence recently. We have new neighbours who while also loving their dogs are very similair and there have been many barking matches and snarling through gaps in our fences. This we accept as typical dog behaviour and have reduced it asmuch as we can, making sure the otherside isnt out before letting ours out etc, but recently when my eldest was leaving the house she managed to bull past and due to the neighbours door being open, actually entered their house and attacked their dog suffering injuries to herself.



She originally would stand to other dogs where as now its a tug of war to stop her trying to attack them. She has also become a concern when walking her during school runs as she will often aggressively growl and run towards small children (the same as if she see's a cat in the back yard) barking agrily if they get too close (although i never let her near enough to find out how far she'd go which has meant i've started to short leash her when she does see younger children...something i always thought wasnt a good re-enforcement). This has started reflecting at home where no matter how much we train via the pecking order (where we pass down treats or have my youngest train her specifically and directly) she has started to try similair dominating methods with him, whether its a nip (and now starting towards the face) or generally bulling as she runs past. This has now started with my older son who no matter what he says, she will ignore him usually resulting in us giving her a time out in another room or in her crate when excessive. Only myself and my partner get some kind of attention when we tell her basic commands and usually has to be said in a much sterner voice than before or multiple times. the last few occasions she has also started barking at adults (nightmare at a bus stop recently) which she never did on my walks and only if the children walked her (whether im there or not) in her calmer days months back (which we associated with her protecting the kids).

She has also started to become slightly aggressive in regards to foods. She gets plenty of treats (both training treats and general) and fed well but from an early age she was severely territorial about her food bowl as a puppy when the cat got close (who sadly passed away last year). But as of late when given certain treats she has started to growl and become aggressive if the children get close...although she is ok with my partner and myself taking it away or coming close, which if what we've come to understand, is a serious concern.

We've tried many techniques, a lot are starting to become contradictory and were at a wall of where we can go with our dog. We're very concerned with her around the children and were even more worried she may injure others outside the home. To add to the issues even if we were to muzzle her she has from day 1 been very "mouthy" whenever anyone touches her paws, we tried many techniques to clip her claws from a young age but have had little success, positive re-enforcement talking to her and look at me commands (with a finger between our eyes) while doing it to literally stuffing her with treats which she will ignore to bite at the nail clippers, taking her attention away, the second we held a paw, she'd stop and turn we tried this for months but each time we'd stop as not to create fear via anxiety (The people we bought her from had toddlers etc in the house which is why we initially thought she was coming from a good home with children although in hindsight they may of played with the pup in a way that made me not liking her paws being touched). Due to constant walks and hard floors her claw issues have been kept semi-controlled (not in a way we like) but due to her weight and her dew claws she has caused a few injuries inside the home (scratches down legs or the childrens hands) which means if she is to attack something outside the home, even with a muzzle she can cause some serious damage.

I do apologise if this has become an un-necessarily long read and i know we havent been the best in doing what we can for our dog (i have a real personal shame with her claws because we really did try) but my partner and myself are at a whits end and are unsure what we should do, we feel like the she is becoming a danger in the home, especially with children and any information anyone can provide would be most welcome.

(ps sorry for awful grammar and typo's).
 
Hi Ben. Welcome to the forum. It sounds like you have a lot of issues going on there and to be honest I think you may need support from a behaviourist because there are so.many issues its hard to pinpoint what might be the root cause(s). First, your girl may indeed have left mum too early. Also she may be in an adolescent period - a stroppy teenager but behaving in ways you need to control better. The woman you spoke about may have inadvertently spooked her if it occurred during one of her puppy fear development periods. The new neighbours dogs may have exacerbated some resource guarding - the resource being her garden or family. You say also she resource guards treats and won't let the children take them, but does allow you - please don't take things away as you are actually teaching her that she needs to guard them more!

There are a few other things you have said that I wanted to check out with you. What is the calming collar? The heirarchy model had been widely discredited; I think I get what you are saying about the children giving her treats but her reaction won't be domination, if she is concerned about something like the treat being taken away it's more likely to do with that.

For everyone's safety for now, please try to train her to accept a muzzle. It is NOT a solution but it is a safety net for now. Use a basket type that allows her to pant, drink etc. Smear the inside with something tasty like primula cheese. Build up very slowly to get accepting it.

I'm sure I have missed loads, Gypsysmum is a behahiour guru and will be along soon. But I seriously recommend a behaviourist (choose one that uses positive methods and is accredited by COAPE or APBC) as this is very complex. Insurance often covers the cost.
 
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thanks so much for your reply joanne. I know i wrote alot so the time taken to read is is beyond appreciated.

In regards to the treat it was some ham bone from a pet store, it was large and the children couldnt walk through the back room into the kitchen without her growling so it was taken away as a unacceptable behaviour, in hindsight a bad idea. Something we haven't done since but wont again.

With the kids giving them treats we were working as her seeing our youngest as someone who gives commands and she listens to the same as we did when she was younger to try and re-condition her he wasnt something for her to bully and be the boss of.

The collar was some...scented plastic thing i think. We found some info on the RSPCA website in regards to calming them down that said to try this first but i feel it was some lavender scented thing people use on fireworks night.
 
wow , im so sorry you have issues with your dog , and I'm grateful you have tried as hard as you have and have stuck with her , but honestly , its time to seek professional help for her now . Its not a failing on your part , but you really do need to get help now before a situation arrises that can't be undone . Its not too late , please get her the help she needs so she can start to enjoy family life and you will have the wonderful family pet you want x
 
Well done for seeking help and it is obvious you have been working very hard already. It is difficult, sometimes, to see the wood from the trees when you are in the middle of it.

The issues you describe are far too serious for an on line forum to tackle. You need to take some safety steps, like introducing a muzzle in a fun way (smear cream cheese/peanut butter around the inside) and keeping her away from children and other people. This can be done in a kind way with lots of rewards for complying.

I, like those above, advise a full behavioural consultation from a member of either the APBC or COAPE. They will both require a referral from your vet but this can, usually, be done over the phone. They will come to the house and take a very detailed history, assess your dog as an individual and take your family circumstances into consideration when diagnosing and treating her behavioural issues.

In the meantime, do make sure all her needs are being met. As a working breed cross she needs lots of exercise and mental stimulation but also lots of down time. Chewing is a good stress buster too. Try to help her relax away from the stresses and strains of family life but above all keep the family safe. Dogs do not have morals. They react instinctively to the situation as they see at the time they see it. Often this is due to anxiety or fear but can still be dangerous.

I do hope you are able to help her rebalance and settle into family life again.
 
I still agree with Raven, please get professional help, but in the meantime to help with the resource guarding, if she has a great treat anyone passing could drop an even better one (a few pieces of chicken maybe) to help her understand someone approaching is something good, not bad.

There is something in my mind about ham bones not being good anyway - is it because ham bones are cooked? Excuseme is great with feeding advice and hopefully will check in later.

I am relieved the collar wasn't a correction collar; you might find an Adaptil diffuser is more effective. These give out an artificial version of the calming hormone produced by the mother and can be very effective.
 
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I think you need to get professional help, this sounds like a situation which could turn to something quite tragic in a heartbeat, it's no help now but the cross of staffy and border collie is a volatile mixture, an often high power working dog with a strong willed terrier, I like and have had both breeds but they have their breed characteristics which need channeling. I would have to say that the danger to children whether yours or someone elses should never be underestimated and I think you know where my thoughts are going reading between the lines of your post, you seem to have done everything right so outside help is the the way to go. Good luck for you and your dog
 
Thanks everyone for their feedback, when i initially wrote this, my partner was worried of criticisms because we both feel like we failed our dog but its nice to read how others can see we have tried with her. Shes our baby, shes the nearest i might ever get to a daughter...i know it sounds cheesy but i love her so much. (My dad grew up with dogs all his life until he travelled away and my mum wouldnt let us have one so its been a life long want).

Joanne in regards to the ham bone, it was a very posh porchetta ham and costly thing from a pet shop franchise, haha. That may of been why she was so protective of it, It was a cured meat bone so no cooking involved except the curing via salt keeping the bone very hard and not likely to brittle and shard like a cooked bone.

We will try to look into professional help, issues obviously are rendered by the cost and the time. We do have pet insurance but i dont know how much it covers and due to the time there is a feeling of "how long" and "if she ever does" in regards to the children that makes us too worried she just might be past that point and long term the risk.

It feels horrible to muzzle a pet while in the home and then lock her away from the rest of the family, would this be a real short term solution to a long term problem? )simply because i'd like her back with her "pack").

In regards to theanchorage, yes i completely agree, you've read between the lines to my highest concerns. We did our research before getting her with "border staffies", some people say they have a staffy who's plays hard for 5 minutes and then sloths around, others saying theirs is more like a working dog...she is almost tireless. I walked her 3-4 times a day, always doing between 10-12k steps a day (according to my pedometer), usually to the point where she'd lay down in the street, constant ball fetch games aswell as training but the last few months all that feels for nothing as ive started to become wary of the walks which i absolutely hate. Your advice to taken deeply, Thank you.
 
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Just a little more to think about :) Your dog will be picking up on your anxieties around her behaviour. This, in turn, will affect her behaviour. You will see, therefore, that things will not improve until you have a definite diagnosis as to what is causing her behaviour. You will be amazed at how reassuring it will be when you know what is causing the behaviour and how to deal with it.

Please do not be tempted to use one of the old fashioned trainers who advocate that a badly behaved dog is being "dominant" and needs to be put in its place. This is now known to be complete bunkum and causes more problems in the long run.
 
While I agree that animals need a good amount of exercise ..lots of physical exercise will actually just turn her into an athlete :)
Try to combine her physical with mental. 20mins of mental activity equates to an hour of physical in the way it tires them out. Use the mental activity time for training and reinforcing the behaviour you want from her.
One thing I noticed in your last post was when you said you will try and get professional help , but obviously money and the cost will be an issue. I urge you to make this a priority I know it will be expensive in the short term but actually your dog has some serious issues going on that are beyond your capabilities. This is not a slight on you at all, it's obvious you love her and have tried very hard with her , but she /you need professional help. There is no shame in this . I have rescued dogs for over 20years and I was at my wits end with our youngest. She is the biggest challenge we have ever had and we had to get professional help. The thing is , if this escalates and it sounds like it has , she may well bite. That would end in disaster for you all as a family. The professional help could well mean the difference between life and death for your dog and possibly a human given that she is snapping and warning your own children and others on walks. I know it sounds melo- dramatic ..but I have seen situations like this time and time again. As much as you love your dog you are in over your head. Get her the help she deserves, please. X
 
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And if you have insurance, it may cover this.
 

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