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zilloot said:
:( Hmmm I've only just caught up with this and it seems the same points are being made and missed by some... and the Ig world is enduring another bashing.
Igs are not easy to keep and few people would have the time and patience to care for one properly - they are extremely demanding.  The responsible breeders know this so are very choosy about who gets a pup.

The silly money issue is just perpetuating the leg-break/weak quality problem because it's easier to get hold of poor quality pups.  Their breeders are more interested in the money than the dogs' quality of life and are therefore less choosy about new homes... that's a fact.

That's the bit that makes me sad - that for so many people money comes first.  Then egos, then fashion.. and at the bottom of the pile comes the dogs' needs. So many of these money-grabbers are so ignorant and small-minded and ignorance doesn't excuse people from moral responsibility.

The people who breed for money have, by definition, serious mental and moral defficiency and are really part of life's 'reject pile'.

so u telling me from £500-£1000 is not over the top for any dog and u saying there is not money made from breeding.wot planet u off.
 
unwanted said:
zilloot said:
:( Hmmm I've only just caught up with this and it seems the same points are being made and missed by some... and the Ig world is enduring another bashing.
Igs are not easy to keep and few people would have the time and patience to care for one properly - they are extremely demanding.  The responsible breeders know this so are very choosy about who gets a pup.

The silly money issue is just perpetuating the leg-break/weak quality problem because it's easier to get hold of poor quality pups.  Their breeders are more interested in the money than the dogs' quality of life and are therefore less choosy about new homes... that's a fact.

That's the bit that makes me sad - that for so many people money comes first.  Then egos, then fashion.. and at the bottom of the pile comes the dogs' needs. So many of these money-grabbers are so ignorant and small-minded and ignorance doesn't excuse people from moral responsibility.

The people who breed for money have, by definition, serious mental and moral defficiency and are really part of life's 'reject pile'.

so u telling me from £500-£1000 is not over the top for any dog and u saying there is not money made from breeding.wot planet u off.


Reputable breeders charge between £400 to £500 for a healthy IG from good stock!

Your post should have been aimed at the backyard puppy farmers!

They are the ones that charge the astronomical sums that you refer to!
 
Mabelline said:
You said it all, Russell. I never take deposits for the same reason. I would rather a person changed their mind at the very last minute than took a puppy they didn't really want just because they could lose their money.
[SIZE=21pt]I think some people fail to realize that Italian Greyhounds are actually in the the Toy Group and not hunting hounds[/SIZE]. There is a very good reason for this in spite of many people not seeing the difference. They are in fact a specialist breed, although I personally don't think any breed should be used as money spinning commodities.

Pat

Rilloby Italian Greyhounds


That maybe so in the Uk with the Kennel club , but I think I am right in saying that in many countries they are in the hound group . :cheers:

but they are very much a specialist breed :cheers:
 
That maybe so in the Uk with the Kennel club , but I think I am right in saying that in many countries they are in the hound group .  :cheers:
but they are very much a specialist breed  :cheers:


Thats quite right ..............BUT you will also find that in these said countries, quite often, (not always) a larger, far more houndy type IG is bred than what would be acceptable over here in say the showring. :- "

On the whole over here we do NOT race or course our IG's (there is always the exception to the rule BEFORE anyone wants to start jumping up & down) where as on the continent for example it is common place.
 
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM HERE WITH EPUPZ ???????????? WHERE IS THE HURDLE THAT EVERYBODY ON HERE JUST CANT GET OVER ???????????????

CAN I ASK ALL YOU WHIPPET BREEDERS ETC ETC WHO SEEM TO HAVE PUPS GOING FOR SALE ALL THE TIME....JUST HOW DO YOU SELL YOURS THEN ? :wacko:

ARE YOU ONLY ALLOWED TO SELL DOGS IN.........

"WERE STUCK UP OUR OWN ARSES MONTHLY" ?

SURELY IF THE POTENTIAL BUYERS ARE VETTED THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS METHOD ? JEEZ IM REALLY LOST HERE WITH THIS ONE :wacko: :wacko:

JHN
 
On the whole over here we do NOT race or course our IG's
I saw Jans lure course a few years back and was very impressed by the little demons (which changed my mind about them but still wouldnt own one too fiddly) so why dont more IG owners race/lure course them surely that would be a way forward and would show everyone they are not sickly little pottential leg breakers?
 
i have been following this thread for some time now and i too was confused until i re-read the link....i thought the original upset was due to a cross of breed and thier health worries...... :wacko:

but have realised that it is the site that the pups are being sold on that is the problem :eek: very strange

my husband and i will be lining our dogs at the back end of this year and all going well we will be looking for good homes and knowledgable owners ourselves and in an ideal world we would like to know the new owners already but family - friends and 'friends of friends' can only have so many dogs :teehee: and at the end of the day dogs of any breeding are not exclusive to 'people in the know' :thumbsup:

for this to be a requirment would be like saying only the upper class can send thier children to private school :eek: and i am sure that there is no one on k9 that thinks they are better than anyone else (just because of where they choose to advertise thier puppies for sale) now is thier :angry:
 
Mabelline said:
[SIZE=21pt]I think some people fail to realize that Italian Greyhounds are actually in the the Toy Group and not hunting hounds[/SIZE].
That makes breeding sickly dogs ok then does it?
 
Mark Roberts said:
On the whole over here we do NOT race or course our IG's
I saw Jans lure course a few years back and was very impressed by the little demons (which changed my mind about them but still wouldnt own one too fiddly) so why dont more IG owners race/lure course them surely that would be a way forward and would show everyone they are not sickly little pottential leg breakers?

As i have said Mark "on the whole" we do not race or course ours over here BUT there is always an exception to the rule & as i have stated it is normally the larger more houndy type IG that can take part safely in these activities. I myself have a larger boy that has taken part at the afghan races & loved it BUT he is far too big for the ring.

They are a Toy breed in this country no matter what anyones views are on this & i for one would not want to see tiny poms, paps or chi's racing or lure coursing all who can suffer with potential broken legs just like IG's.

In reply to your question why dont more IG owners race/lure course them as surely this would be the way forward i think because a lot of breeders/owners want to keep an IG looking like the breed they fell in love with NOT a small whippet.

That is not to say that we cant move forward & try to breed a healthier stronger boned animal & especially by trying to eliminate breeding programmes which include known animals with weak bones & this is what many breeders are striving for BUT Rome wasn't built in a day & with a VERY limited gene pool it isnt always an easy task.

There are some reputable breeders who are doing their best to try & eliminate a number of health issues in the breed & i'm sure in time things can only improve.

This is just of course my opinion & i appreciate we all have different views on things.
 
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nina said:
Mark Roberts said:
On the whole over here we do NOT race or course our IG's
I saw Jans lure course a few years back and was very impressed by the little demons (which changed my mind about them but still wouldnt own one too fiddly) so why dont more IG owners race/lure course them surely that would be a way forward and would show everyone they are not sickly little pottential leg breakers?

As i have said Mark "on the whole" we do not race or course ours over here BUT there is always an exception to the rule & as i have stated it is normally the larger more houndy type IG that can take part safely in these activities. I myself have a larger boy that has taken part at the afghan races & loved it BUT he is far too big for the ring.

They are a Toy breed in this country no matter what anyones views are on this & i for one would not want to see tiny poms, paps or chi's racing or lure coursing all who can suffer with potential broken legs just like IG's.

In reply to your question why dont more IG owners race/lure course them as surely this would be the way forward i think because a lot of breeders/owners want to keep an IG looking like the breed they fell in love with NOT a small whippet.

That is not to say that we cant move forward & try to breed a healthier stronger boned animal & especially by trying to eliminate breeding programmes which include known animals with weak bones & this is what many breeders are striving for BUT Rome wasn't built in a day & with a VERY limited gene pool it isnt always an easy task.

There are some reputable breeders who are doing their best to try & eliminate a number of health issues in the breed & i'm sure in time things can only improve.

This is just of course my opinion & i appreciate we all have different views on things.

an interesting topic, as you state reputable breeders are striving to breed a healthier stronger boned animal from a small gene pool which i presume as decreased in size due to show breeders breeding to win classes , smaller boned etc it maybe time to bring in some strengh from abroad?
 
an interesting topic, as you state reputable breeders are striving to breed a healthier stronger boned animal from a small gene pool which i presume as decreased in size due to show breeders breeding to win classes , smaller boned etc it maybe time to bring in some strengh from abroad?

Fresh blood to widen the gene pool is obviously always an added bonus providing of course it does not bring with it its own health problems.

It is not necessarily the "size" of the bone which is an issue, it is the density of the bone. Large bone size does not ensure good density as small size bone does not always prove to be be poor density.
 
fewterer said:
Mabelline said:
[SIZE=21pt]I think some people fail to realize that Italian Greyhounds are actually in the the Toy Group and not hunting hounds[/SIZE].

That makes breeding sickly dogs ok then does it?


:angry: In answer to your remark aimed at Maybelline

Pat (Maybelline) only breeds fit, healthy IG's with good bone density!

She bred my Georgia, Zilloot's Lottie & both Jan & Alfie's IG's come from Pat's lines!

All of which run free & lead normal doggy lives!

I have stated before that there are only 4 breeders that I would ever wish to buy a puppy from & Pat is at the top of my list!!
 
Mark Roberts said:
On the whole over here we do NOT race or course our IG's
I saw Jans lure course a few years back and was very impressed by the little demons (which changed my mind about them but still wouldnt own one too fiddly) so why dont more IG owners race/lure course them surely that would be a way forward and would show everyone they are not sickly little pottential leg breakers?


I have never raced or lure coursed my Whippets because it doesn't interest me!

So I really see no reason to start racing/lure coursing Georgia simply to prove to a minority that she is a fit, strong little dog!
 
bardmand said:
kris said:

Am I missing something? This link seems to me to be to an ad for purebred whippet puppies?

the link now is one that is different to the one i posted a few weeks ago.i can only think the link stays the same but the ad is different as it goes up the list as pups are sold and ads taken off.when i posted the link it was definitely whippet/iggys crosses :thumbsup:
 

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