Crufts Qualification

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As for non breed judges . as long as we get an honest opinion that's fine with me

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With non-breed judges if they at least read the breed standard before entering the ring it would be good I am talking about open shows here mainly. :- "

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Totally agree Jo :thumbsup: ......seeing dogs go BOB that are blatantly not within the standard makes the Judge, exhibitor & exhibit a laughing stock!!!!!!!!!

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Have to agree with this :thumbsup: Im hardly doing any general open shows this year as last year was fed up of seeing some (what i honestly thought) terrible things place highly. One judge even said that they only thought Greyhounds could come in Frankie's colour - not Whippets. (w00t) Makes you despair!

 

[Zephyr]

Remember though that sometimes critiques get sent to the press and not published - South West Whippet Open Feb 2006 where Zephyr got RBIS comes to mind, and the judge emailed AND posted her critique, but I've never seen it! :- "

 

[quintessence]

Remember though that sometimes critiques get sent to the press and not published  - South West Whippet Open Feb 2006 where Zephyr got RBIS comes to mind, and the judge emailed AND posted her critique, but I've never seen it! :- "

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I do appreciate that Beth and know that there are other reasons that critiques do not appear but I have only had one critique appear for Dylan and he is now 12 months old. If it is the case that a judge's submitted report does not appear I wonder how many of them contact the paper concerned and send another copy. The number of times I've stood there whilst the judge writes his notes, or even dictates into a recorder, yet I've never seen any of it in the written form. Maybe I'm expecting too much and should be content with what I've got but it disappoints me.

I appreciate I might have come over a bit tetchy in my previous post, and I promise not to hold a sitdown protest outside the KC Members' Lounge at Crufts.

There was an excellent letter in the Our Dogs Letters Page, on this very subject, this week with an obviously simple solution. It will be interesting to see the response.

Jenny

 

[zilloot]

I am totally fed up with the lack of crits.

Last year Scotland's biggest Open show, a Premier show actually, (where Zoomie just happened to win BIS) didn't appear in the Dog World despite their own photographer being there too!!!! The only crit I saw from that show was the boxers.

So I changed from Dog World to Our Dogs and wrote DW a stinky letter about a waste of their own photographers journey but naturally didn't hear a squeak. Turns out OD isn't much better.

Out of 13 open shows last year I found the crit for one. :angry:

 

[Sarsanet]

As for non breed judges . as long as we get an honest opinion that's fine with me

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With non-breed judges if they at least read the breed standard before entering the ring it would be good I am talking about open shows here mainly. :- "

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Totally agree Jo :thumbsup: ......seeing dogs go BOB that are blatantly not within the standard makes the Judge, exhibitor & exhibit a laughing stock!!!!!!!!!

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You should come to Australia folks - it's par for the course here!

 

[oakmoorehill]

Because William doesn't get breed classes at open shows we usually have to do nsc hound.We rarely get critiques for this class .At one show William got best nsc hound she did a report all the other classes she judged got a report but not nsc hound. She judged most of the hound classes not whippets though plus all the AV classes and best in show all these got reports but me NO :rant: we didn't even get the results put in

 

[05whippet]

In the good old days when the world was black and white and I was a child they used to have a litter class.  Can you imagine carting a litter of puppies off to Crufts? 
Jenny

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Errmmm..... NO! :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[kris]

Call me cynical but I think it's about time the judges had to qualify for Crufts
It's the amount of 'fixed', 'facey' and downright pathetic judging I've seen on the green carpet that just makes me sad!  (And I'm not talking about just whippets.)

I think all judges should have to swear on the bible that they will honestly judge the dog... and then take a lie detector test afterwards to answer questions about why they chose their winners... then we'd get some entertainment.. put that on telly as a new 'reality show'!!!

These people know who they are and should be aware that most find their behaviour disgusting and pathetic...

Right , off my soapbox now

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if that was pay for view id pay to see it! (w00t) ive seen some truly terrible judging over the years and its allright saying dont go under them but if youve never seen them judge before how do you know if theyre any good or not? :blink: answer is you dont so you have to give them a fair crack of the whip.then if you think theyre incompetant/facey or just downright unknowledgeable then dont go under them again.

fool me once shame on you,fool me twice shame on me. :thumbsup:

 

[kris]

I'll show under anybody providing they write a report.!!!!!
Jenny

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Today i won 2 classes with 2 different dogs and the judge today Steve Hall (Shenedene ) told me not to bother standing my dog for him as hhe dosnt do reports for Open shows (w00t) :rant: . I told him I think its part of his judging contract that he does , but didnt get any responce /. I also mentioned it to the chairman and he thought he should too . I think maybe its only Champ shows they have to , but I still think its very bad form :rant:

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i know steve hall (shenedene)he didnt write reports for open shows years ago,he obviously thinks hes far too elevated now to bother with it! o

 

[Angela Bayley]

Firstly, excuse if I'm wrong, but I thought live coursing had actually been made illegal, so how dogs can still be winning courses to qualify for Crufts is a bit beyond me.

Are you entirely happy with this state of affairs? In which case I have to ask: why do you choose to have hounds?

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I don't quite understand your question but I am happy to try and answer.

I am very happy living with hounds, (thank you very much) my dogs are free exercised every day twice a day and hunt naturally and I take them lure coursing. Never had an opportunity to live course them but probably would have, had I made the effort. We used to keep gundogs as well, show-bred Cockers & Springers which also were taken out beating and I used to go hunting in my younger days when I had horses so I have no objection to hunting, shooting fishing ............... if that is what you are getting at.

BUT hunting with dogs has been made illegal (whether you agree with that legislation or not) so my question is, how can shows offer classes where one of the qualifications is that they have won at recognised (live) coursing clubs. Societies must start looking at their schedules and re-word the definition of classes.

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Sorry to take so long to reply. My point (FWIW as always) was that man has manipulated the hound breed (as many others) over thousands of years to chase and kill prey and we cannot just turn our backs on this just to conform with what many MPs, who apparantly are unable to tell the difference between a rabbit and a hare (as if that matters) have decided to impose on us. I certainly don't want to rehearse all the tired arguments on both sides. But to expect your whippets to instantly to obey the law is IMO ridicolous (sp???).

No hard feelings

 

[JAX]

Remember though that sometimes critiques get sent to the press and not published  - South West Whippet Open Feb 2006 where Zephyr got RBIS comes to mind, and the judge emailed AND posted her critique, but I've never seen it! :- "

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I do appreciate that Beth and know that there are other reasons that critiques do not appear but I have only had one critique appear for Dylan and he is now 12 months old. If it is the case that a judge's submitted report does not appear I wonder how many of them contact the paper concerned and send another copy. The number of times I've stood there whilst the judge writes his notes, or even dictates into a recorder, yet I've never seen any of it in the written form. Maybe I'm expecting too much and should be content with what I've got but it disappoints me.

I appreciate I might have come over a bit tetchy in my previous post, and I promise not to hold a sitdown protest outside the KC Members' Lounge at Crufts.

There was an excellent letter in the Our Dogs Letters Page, on this very subject, this week with an obviously simple solution. It will be interesting to see the response.

Jenny

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Guess who wrote that Jenny :- "

 

[shenace]

Very interesting post.... hmmmm.....

I am proud to have bred top show winning whippets & have also bred top winning racing & agility stars.

My superstars on the racetrack are certainly differently constructed to my glamour pusses in the show ring - I don't have an issue that both should be the same, but... the fact of the matter IMO - the straight fronted, lean, mean, racing machines that will knock the beauty queens down in the fields of survival, don't get as much of a look in at the all breeds shows. This I claim is only from my own experience.

My Lulu who was a superstar in the show ring - a honey to live with & the mother of the top winning racing queens in NZ, was a ditz on the race track. She freaked out in the box, refused to be hand-slipped & would refuse to chase a silly thing attached to a rope, however, she had an odd rebelious wild streak & on occassion would feed the kennels on mutton

Some of her daughters are obsessed & efficient racers, they have had the occassional great win at dog shows, but generally are overlooked, like I have mentioned above, they are a bit straigher in front, have been kept fairly lean & and are athletic racing machines.

So I have a very divided opinion & I do strive to breed the complete all-rounder, however, if I have the priveledge to still be alive when this dream becomes reality, I will say that my job of entrusting breed betterment has been successful. We are still quite spilt at this time in my part of the world between the 2 disciplines of the breed.

Politics will always rear it's ugly head - however - if you have a great animal, no matter how many idiots we come across, there are still enough honest people who will find your baby & sucess will be forthcoming :wub: