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[dessie]

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The KC recommended time for assessing one dog is 2 minutes. Of course stewards should keep an eye on the time but it is still bad planning on the part of the management and for an event like Crufts the Groups should be held up. If you are going to put more than one breed in the ring they should be (and are) aware of the average number of entries they are likely to get for each breed. This applies to Crufts and to general Open shows alike. There is no need for rings sitting empty at certain times of the day or shows running on into the evening. It is a matter of straight forward planning and time management and it doesn't matter whether it is a dog show, horse racing meeting, circus, Marketing Seminar, or whatever.

I am with Mark here and it is about time the Kennel Club's monopoly was challenged ........... we are the bloody idiot's paying them all this money for the privilege of being told what we can and can't do. Wo betide us if we make a mistake but it seems the KC can do what the hell they please

 

[aslan]

Yeah Dessie - You Go Girl !

It is wrong - I am just flabbergasted that it can happen - here they would just wait until all breeds were finished - even if the judge was slow (mind you, we don't have a show with as many dogs as Crufts).

And I am even more surprised that someone who was forced to miss out hasn't kicked up a stink before now.

 

[Millie]

I think we may find a few comments in the Dog press next week............but does any one from the Kennel club read them or take any notice, I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry:

 

[Terry Smith]

 
I am with Mark here and it is about time the Kennel Club's monopoly was challenged ...........

Problem is you'll just get another set of rules & people making the rules to suit themselves or those in favour. You may also find yourself in bad company!! One of the worst puppy farm's in the country set up it's own registration body which is still going. It did this to claim it was selling "registered pups". It was but only in it's own Micky Mouse register. A few years ago there was plenty of griping about the W.C.R.A in racing. Even to the extent of setting up a Micky Mouse outfit giving out "Championships" which had no credibility whatsoever. What eventually changed thing's to suit the racers was pressure on the W.C.R.A by racers who joined the Whippet Club in large numbers.

I think the Kennel Club would soon come to heel if exhibitors boycotted their events for 6 month's or so. Also what about not producing any litters for a couple of years that really would hurt them more than it hurt us.

After all who breeds for money?

 

[shane]

The Kennel club has a web site, need I say more.....lets get those fingers working on the key boards, and tell the kennel club what the real dog world thinks :angry: .

 

[Lydia]

Hi Aslan, yes, they did the groups before all the breed judging had been finished. It does happen here at any show, not just Crufts. Personally, I am going to write to the K.C., to express my disgust. I know the Malamute B.O.B. came from Italy, what a way to come, to not be judged by the group judge after you've won your breed judging. I don't suppose writing will do much good, but I shall write anyway.

Lydia and Darkstars

 

[Karen]

Three BOBs missed their groups, The Malamute and the Pap are foreigners and word has it that they may be seeking compensation. (they are both very well of so have the means to persue a case)

One of the judges before one of these breeds was schedualed to finish at 12 o/c and did not finish til 3 o/c Mrs Cross Stern was also very late as she has been unwell

 

[Mark Roberts]

I don't personaly think the judges are to blaim as how would owners feel if their dogs was rushed over for an early finish?.

the problem lyes with the KC and their organisation I know it's a big show and must take a lot of time and effort just to get it on at all but they must look at the problem and try to make changes and not bury their heads in the sand.

 

[dessie]

Again, I agree with Mark here. I was not suggesting that an opposition to the Kennel Club is set up, only that we should take them to task more often than we do. I think we are all to blame on this front because we all take the attitude that "It is going to do no good and is just hassle". As I said before, if I was one of those who had missed the Group through no fault of my own I would certainly have a pop at the KC. There is no excuse for any dog to miss a Group at any show because of timing and the Kennel Club should be leading by example.

 

[Lydia]

Again, I agree with Mark here.  I was not suggesting that an opposition to the Kennel Club is set up, only that we should take them to task more often than we do.  I think we are all to blame on this front because we all take the attitude that "It is going to do no good and is just hassle".  As I said before, if I was one of those who had missed the Group through no fault of my own I would certainly have a pop at the KC.  There is no excuse for any dog to miss a Group at any show because of timing and the Kennel Club should be leading by example.

Agree with both Dessie and Mark here, I think it needs all exhibitors to express their dismay at this shambles. Not just the few, who missed their chance in the groups.

If the K.C. are allowing this to happen, because of the B.B.C.,then if this is confirmed for us, by a K.C. spokesperson. We should also address the B.B.C. over this issue, they allow other sports, to over-run, so why not Crufts.

A lot of people, watch Crufts, not just fellow exhibitors, judges etc. and I'm sure, they expect Crufts to be fair. Which this year's, for some, definitely was not.

Why are we paying the K.C., so much money, to be treated like an inconvenience, not me personally you understand - the poor sod's who missed their groups :angry: .

Lydia and Darkstars

 

[Lydia]

Hi all, o.k., I've put my views to the kennel club re: not all breeds making their respective groups. Has anybody else, the more who tell the K.C. we are not happy with this, the more likely they are too attempt to stop it happening again.

Lydia and Darkstars

 

[Mark Roberts]

yep i've wrote even though it wont effect me as I don't show it annoyes me that people are being ripped off by the kennel club, and at the end of the day those effected should procecute the KC for obtaining money by deception as the people concerned were not allowed to compeat for BIS as had been agreed under the terms of entry to the show. :angry:

now that would realy put the cat amungst the pidgeons

 

[Lydia]

Hi Mark, thanks for that.

Lydia and Darkstars

 

[aslan]

I will put in my two cents' worth too if someone can tell me where to email to.... ???

 

[Mark Roberts]

The Kennel Club

Hi Aslan the link above will take you to the Kennel Club then just click on the contact link.