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I thought Whippets were situated in one of the less busy areas, we could have done without those blowers however. I think you have to accept the way Crufts is now because I don't think the Kennel Club have any intention of changing what they perceive to be a winning formula. I heard someone from The Kennel Club liken watching breed judging to watching paint dry when I was listening to Crufts fm so they obviously feel the need to concentrate on the circus acts. :- " I wasn't really aware of too many people walking round the benches where we were, but I agree it is a worry, I can, however, offer my OH to sit in front of your bench with his copy of The Telegraph, no-one would get past.

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[Gill Andrew]

I have to admit that this year, as my bench was along the far side I had no trouble with MOPs wandering around the benches and being a pain but there is no way I would have taken a dog through the shopping areas or I would probably have been had up for verbal assault and banned from showing for life!

Quite a few years ago now I was benched by an RSPCA stand and the RSPCA had decided to put their most shocking and lurid posters on the side by the benches - the gangway was pretty narrow too. Lady Anderson (who benched next to me) and I were knocked over backwards into our benches several times by MOPs pushing and shoving. When I complained to the RSPCA personnel, I was just told that they were there to get their message across and if I didn't like it, tough and that if ours dogs couldn't take being fallen on, then we shouldn't have taken them. Never given them a penny since.

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[phill]

I totally agree with the MOPS(i'm one of them) being banned from the benching area's.It makes total sense!

You have got "discover" dogs if you want to get close to the breeds.

I too just don't know how the KC and indeed the NEC owners get away with the Fire risk with that amount of people and dogs in the building? You would never get out!!

I can't see why they can't sell advance tkts(like a pop/rock concert) and when the tickets are sold out thats it!? Just limit the tickets to a reasonable amount of numbers.

It is not a pleasent experience and is way over crowded and claustrophobic.

 

[Mark Roberts]

I can't see why they can't sell advance tkts(like a pop/rock concert) and when the tickets are sold out thats it!? Just limit the tickets to a reasonable amount of numbers.

Bacause like any other event the KC needs as many MOP in to make as much profit as they can.

if you limit tickets sales then the ticket price will shoot up (supply & demand) at the end of the day if they didnt allow the MOP in then there would be no dog show unless owners forked out rediculess entry fees to cover the cost of the venue

 

[masta]

I can't see why they can't sell advance tkts(like a pop/rock concert) and when the tickets are sold out thats it!? Just limit the tickets to a reasonable amount of numbers.

Bacause like any other event the KC needs as many MOP in to make as much profit as they can.

if you limit tickets sales then the ticket price will shoot up (supply & demand) at the end of the day if they didnt allow the MOP in then there would be no dog show unless owners forked out rediculess entry fees to cover the cost of the venue

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plus most of those MOP'S are dog owners and potential dog owners people that pay for the pups that lots of the showers are breeding, and also potential future showers maybe a bit more tolerance is needed because as Mark points out no mop's no show, also on the other side i was at the the NEC during crufts at a conference and was stopping in a local hotel packed with showers what a nightmare didnt get a wink of sleep, dogs barking, people getting p@s@sed and shouting and running up and down corridors

 

[beaker]

car park fee's have already gone up on last year and the car parks were ram packed full and turning people away, (including exhibitors :angry: )

surely there has to be max on the number of people allowed in each hall, in some of the halls there were so many people all squashing in that if some major incident happened 100's of people would be at serious crush risk.

i had to carry Owen through the crowds to stop him getting trampled and injured but that just led to the "ahh cute's" sticking their hands in for petting... it's deffinately an invasion of personal space when they stroke boob to :blink:

 

[maggie217]

I think it would be a good idea for the public not to be allowed round the benches because there is Discover Dogs and they can also watch around the rings, but I don't think the public should be excluded any further than that. A dog show is an EXHIBITION and the dogs are EXHIBITS. Surely the origin of dog shows was for breederes to show off their stock and the public viewing them were and still are potential owners. I don't think that in essence has changed.

 

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[dolly]

They do limit the amount of tickets, last year on the saturday, they did actually shut the gate !!.

At Westminster mops cannot get anywhere near the judging rings or the dogs, you watch from teared seating. I found this very dissapointing.

My big :rant: is when the MOPS come and set around the ring,then proceed to eat their :rant: packed lunch !!!! As you know most whippets are partial to abite to eat, i did ask one lot to remove themselves, they didnt so got the steward to ask them kindly not to eat snacks at the ringside

 

[JAX]

I can't see why they can't sell advance tkts(like a pop/rock concert) and when the tickets are sold out thats it!? Just limit the tickets to a reasonable amount of numbers.

Bacause like any other event the KC needs as many MOP in to make as much profit as they can.

if you limit tickets sales then the ticket price will shoot up (supply & demand) at the end of the day if they didnt allow the MOP in then there would be no dog show unless owners forked out ridiculess entry fees to cover the cost of the venue

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What ? :wacko:

Mark, Crufts is ( or was ) a DOG show , 30+ general champ shows manage to provide us with the same costs of entry as Crufts , and we dont have hords of MOPS ar those :- " .

As I have said before , we only need[SIZE=14pt] 5[/SIZE] halls to accomidate the MOPS and trade stands , with out those 3 halls would be sufficent.

The reason exhibitors have to stay till 4 pm is because it is a showpiece of dogs for MOPS to come and view the dogs on their benches . Unfortunatley the other parafanalia ( sp) that we now get at Crufts , has detracted from the showing and exhibiting of K9s :huggles:

and however much moaning we do nothing will change . ££££££ , thats what counts to the KC :rant:

 

[phill]

"I can't see why they can't sell advance tkts(like a pop/rock concert) and when the tickets are sold out thats it!? Just limit the tickets to a reasonable amount of numbers."

"Bacause like any other event the KC needs as many MOP in to make as much profit as they can.

if you limit tickets sales then the ticket price will shoot up (supply & demand) at the end of the day if they didnt allow the MOP in then there would be no dog show unless owners forked out ridiculess entry fees to cover the cost of the venue"

Mark,I'm not saying BAN members of the public all together just in the benching area's :thumbsup:

Of course at Crufts you need MOPS for revenue £££,BUT as people have already said it is a Fire/health and safety issue,Especially these days with all the risk assesments needed to do anything! It is'nt Safe end of story so how do they get away with it?

Make the ticket prices higher and have less MOPS and it would be a much more pleasent experience :wacko: :thumbsup:

 

Becka has a valid point about having to carry your dogs around for fear of injury....And invasion of personnal space... never had my boobs felt though :lol:

 

[fivedogs]

This year was my first visit to Crufts and I found the venue amazing well sign posted and finding halls and rings easy. Hall 4 was quieter than some of the others and I found no problems with the MOP. I did have a bit of a giggle when one young girl aged around 10 said to her Mum "Look Mum there,s a dog ". My friends and I walked round all the halls with my dog and did not have any problems and Rag seemed to enjoy all the attention and I enjoyed being able to have my dog with me while shopping and socialising. My own feelings are that OK the show is very commercialised and busy but there would be no Crufts at the World wide scale it has become without the MOPs ,dogs, stands and us as exhibitors. If I get back next year I intend to enjoy it as much as I did this year. Nora

 

[Mark Roberts]

it's deffinately an invasion of personal space when they stroke boob to  :blink:

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Bet your back next year though for more petting LOL :b

i'm sure the organisers of Crufts and the owners of the NEC are more than aware of their responsibilities regarding health & safety.

i'm sure they will have done all the relavent checks/assesments ect ect ect thats needed for any event organised these days.

if it's JUST A DOG SHOW then by all means ban the public from going but then dont winge when your expected to pay 10x what you pay now to cover the cost of hiring such a massive venue for the week.

no public means no trade stands paying X amount to be there so you loose the trade stands the fees go up even more.

as you all know I dont show so my view is more from a MOP side than that of the shower fed up with being pushed about and pestered but at the end of the day by entering the show many crave the attention of how nice their dog looks so they must accept it even when it doesnt suit.

 

[fourpaws]

if it's JUST A DOG SHOW then by all means ban the public from going but then dont winge when your expected to pay 10x what you pay now to cover the cost of hiring such a massive venue for the week.

no public means no trade stands paying X amount to be there so you loose the trade stands the fees go up even more.

as you all know I dont show so my view is more from a MOP side than that of the shower fed up with being pushed about and pestered but at the end of the day by entering the show many crave the attention of how nice their dog looks so they must accept it even when it doesnt suit.

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I am sure we are all aware of the financial side of this debate, of course the public bring in money as do the stalls. Personally we do not go because we crave the attention of how nice our dogs are, in fact we managed to sit in front of them to keep them away from the prying eyes and the prodding sticky fingers. Everyone on here knows they have the best dog and that is all that matters. No offence Mark but maybe you put so many pictures on here because you crave the attention you speak of.

I believe what we want is a little more consideration. No dogs then no dog show and no public or stalls then higher fees but that does not mean we have to be pushed about . With a little consideration we could all enjoy Crufts ,exhibitors and public alike..

 

[Vianne]

if it's JUST A DOG SHOW then by all means ban the public from going but then dont winge when your expected to pay 10x what you pay now to cover the cost of hiring such a massive venue for the week.
no public means no trade stands paying X amount to be there so you loose the trade stands the fees go up even more.

as you all know I dont show so my view is more from a MOP side than that of the shower fed up with being pushed about and pestered but at the end of the day by entering the show many crave the attention of how nice their dog looks so they must accept it even when it doesnt suit.

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I am sure we are all aware of the financial side of this debate, of course the public bring in money as do the stalls. Personally we do not go because we crave the attention of how nice our dogs are, in fact we managed to sit in front of them to keep them away from the prying eyes and the prodding sticky fingers. Everyone on here knows they have the best dog and that is all that matters. No offence Mark but maybe you put so many pictures on here because you crave the attention you speak of.

I believe what we want is a little more consideration. No dogs then no dog show and no public or stalls then higher fees but that does not mean we have to be pushed about . With a little consideration we could all enjoy Crufts ,exhibitors and public alike..

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Well said!!! :thumbsup:

 

[~JO~]

if it's JUST A DOG SHOW then by all means ban the public from going but then dont winge when your expected to pay 10x what you pay now to cover the cost of hiring such a massive venue for the week.
no public means no trade stands paying X amount to be there so you loose the trade stands the fees go up even more.

as you all know I dont show so my view is more from a MOP side than that of the shower fed up with being pushed about and pestered but at the end of the day by entering the show many crave the attention of how nice their dog looks so they must accept it even when it doesnt suit.

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I am sure we are all aware of the financial side of this debate, of course the public bring in money as do the stalls. Personally we do not go because we crave the attention of how nice our dogs are, in fact we managed to sit in front of them to keep them away from the prying eyes and the prodding sticky fingers. Everyone on here knows they have the best dog and that is all that matters. No offence Mark but maybe you put so many pictures on here because you crave the attention you speak of.I believe what we want is a little more consideration. No dogs then no dog show and no public or stalls then higher fees but that does not mean we have to be pushed about . With a little consideration we could all enjoy Crufts ,exhibitors and public alike..

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Well said!!! :thumbsup:

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Can i just make that point that quite a few of the tradestands there attend EVERY championship show and more, and all help to keep the entry fees down! Quite a few of the stands do not however and are not dog related.

I also exhibit my dogs and find the crowds very hard work and also I had to stop one small child from poking her figures in an unattended cage.

Perhaps more could be done, I think perhaps as a friends said to me that if Discover Dogs was put down into the arena or pavillion this make it easier as this attracts large crowds. the KC do however put on the seperate 'Discover Dogs' exhibition so that should theoretically should ease some of the pressure on Crufts.

I walked of mine around the halls but only before abou 10.30am before it goes crazy, the show on a Thursday/Friday is a joy compared to the weekends :thumbsup:

 

[clardia]

if it's JUST A DOG SHOW then by all means ban the public from going but then dont winge when your expected to pay 10x what you pay now to cover the cost of hiring such a massive venue for the week.
no public means no trade stands paying X amount to be there so you loose the trade stands the fees go up even more.

as you all know I dont show so my view is more from a MOP side than that of the shower fed up with being pushed about and pestered but at the end of the day by entering the show many crave the attention of how nice their dog looks so they must accept it even when it doesnt suit.

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I am sure we are all aware of the financial side of this debate, of course the public bring in money as do the stalls. Personally we do not go because we crave the attention of how nice our dogs are, in fact we managed to sit in front of them to keep them away from the prying eyes and the prodding sticky fingers. Everyone on here knows they have the best dog and that is all that matters. No offence Mark but maybe you put so many pictures on here because you crave the attention you speak of.I believe what we want is a little more consideration. No dogs then no dog show and no public or stalls then higher fees but that does not mean we have to be pushed about . With a little consideration we could all enjoy Crufts ,exhibitors and public alike..

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Well said!!! :thumbsup:

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Can i just make that point that quite a few of the tradestands there attend EVERY championship show and more, and all help to keep the entry fees down! Quite a few of the stands do not however and are not dog related.

I also exhibit my dogs and find the crowds very hard work and also I had to stop one small child from poking her figures in an unattended cage.

Perhaps more could be done, I think perhaps as a friends said to me that if Discover Dogs was put down into the arena or pavillion this make it easier as this attracts large crowds. the KC do however put on the seperate 'Discover Dogs' exhibition so that should theoretically should ease some of the pressure on Crufts.

I walked of mine around the halls but only before abou 10.30am before it goes crazy, the show on a Thursday/Friday is a joy compared to the weekends :thumbsup:

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I believe the last day is the worse for exhibitors, because it is the best day for Joe public.

I am not sure that the Kennel Club have it right, as for all those more closely involved with dogs, it is felt an invasion of space.

Lets hopefully look forward to a few years of thurs/fri when joe public is not around.

Lets face it, for all we moan we all love to be there (those that attend that is)

Roll on 2009 and good luck to all who make it there

:luck: :cheers:

 

[Mark Roberts]

  No offence Mark but maybe you put so many pictures on here because you crave the attention you speak of.

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no offence taken but in saying that we dont complain when we get the attention do we :thumbsup:

the pictures are put on K9 as the owners attending like to see the pictures of their dogs running from the comments people write others also like seeing the pictures.

your all sat here moaning to each other why not try and come up with a constructive way forward instead and put it to the Kennel Club/Crufts Committee.

i'll get you started.

how about a hall just for benches all the dogs are held in this 1 area the only mans oif access passed security would be a valid pass, this way the MOP wouldnt be allowed near the benches and so wouldnt be messing about with the dogs or potentialing walking away with anything.

now this then posses another problem youd then have to get from the exclusive owners hall to the allocated hall for your class?.

come on look for a way forward rather than just moaning

 

[JAX]

Mark , tell me this , how would you like it if thousands came to one of your race meetings and you couldnt get through the crowds , couldnt walk your dogs more than a few feet and had to be careful MOP didnt give them a nice little treat , eg biscuit, or stood by the racetrack munching on crisps and sandwiches (w00t) , not to mention MOP standing on their toes (w00t) :cheers:

I completely agree with Fourpaws too , well said :cheers:

 

[JAX]

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i'll get you started.

how about a hall just for benches all the dogs are held in this 1 area the only mans oif access passed security would be a valid pass, this way the MOP wouldnt be allowed near the benches and so wouldnt be messing about with the dogs or potentialing walking away with anything.

now this then posses another problem youd then have to get from the exclusive owners hall to the allocated hall for your class?.

come on look for a way forward rather than just moaning

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As ive said before , CRUFTS is the KC exhibition show , and the reason we have to stay till 4.pm is so the MOP can see the exhibits on their benches ( that's why the KC say only 10mins off benches in an hour , plus no covered cages ( not that we take any notice o )

So no Mark , im afraid its no use even suggesting what youve put to the KC , not that they listen to their exhibitors anyhow , weve just best to put up with it . No harm in having a moan though eh its what we ladies do best

 

[Mark Roberts]

Mark , tell me this , how would you like it if thousands came to one of your race meetings and you couldnt get through the crowds , couldnt walk your dogs more than a few feet and had to be careful MOP didnt give them a nice little treat , eg biscuit, or stood by the racetrack munching on crisps and sandwiches  (w00t) , not to mention MOP standing on their toes  (w00t)   :cheers:
I completely agree with Fourpaws too , well said  :cheers:

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10000's of people at a whippet race meeting? well it wouldnt be a bad day for the raffle woulds it :thumbsup:

new faces mean perspective new owners to the sport :thumbsup: