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Was talking with a Nurse at work who bred his first litter of Dalmation pups.He had 11 pups! (w00t)

Each pup was priced at £600 with papers.Simon did research into his dog lines for over a year to make sure the bitch was suitable for breeding.

He made nothing! In fact he lost money.a labour of love.

He paid for chipping,tatooing,jabs,vet bills etc and had to have one pup put to sleep as she was deaf ,which in dallys isnt a good thing.The pup was one of his favs however dallys are known to get frustrated when deaf and can turn nasty as hell.

Simon loves his dogs world without end and the decision left him a broken man.

During selection and home vetting the amount of abuse he and his partner encountered was un believable! Some homes he visited turned nasty when questions of working hours/dogs being left alone all day were asked.Some only wanted a dally cause they had spots ,look cute and were in a film! :blink:

One day Simon was seen in Waitrose buying large quantities of mince and goats milk and explained that he had a litter of 11 dallys .BIG MISTAKE! The next day 16 workers,who he know well,knocked his door,to see the pups! Simon said" I live in a house which is two up and two down and had to organise sittings!

Some people were in the garden whilst first lot were looking and cooing over the pups,getting intoxicated by puppy breath :lol: (w00t) Then we changed the groups over and i had to feed the masses too! Then there were the squabbles between the waitrose 16 about which pup they wanted to hold! " Can you imagine :sweating:

All pups are going to fantastic homes all checked and verified! First one leaves Friday this week.

Defo gave me food for thought.

So.... anyone out there who thinks the whole process of dog breeding is easy peasy think again! Get all your facts from the right sources who knows the breed inside out before you even dream about breeding. I admire him for all his work,and it was loads he had to do. I learnt so much today. I think ill leave it to the experts :teehee:

PS- Will get some puppy pics and post them so we can all coo. I know many of us in to whippets, but a puppy is a puppy to me, sweet and innocent,loving and trusting.And the scent of puppy breath is to die for!

Jax

 

[Julie D]

ahh ! can't agree with you more

can't wait to see pics :cheers:

 

[urchin]

Hmmmm Dalmatians .... my mates next door neighbour has a dalmatian pup - when she saw a full grown one and pointed it out to the neighbour the response was - 'I had no idea they grew that big'

When my friend asked what advice had come with the pup, the answer was 'none, but we did get a free video'

Don't get your hopes up that it might be a puppy care video either :rant:

Last week friend saw pup nip one of the kids quite hard and nothing was done about it - we're not giving it long before the poor thing ends up in rescue

Sorry, I have a big thing about Dalmatians - they are a lovely dog for sure, but one of the least suitable for most people who get them. They're carriage dogs for pities sake, bred to run 20 miles a day - how many people have the time to give them the excercise they need (vs how many people have gone Awwwww over the Disney film)

Sorry Jax, I seem to have gone off on one!

I'm sure none of this applies to your friend - I just really do have a reflex reaction to the breed! lol :lol:

 

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Charlie u are right.The person who has any breed must know how to look after it.Simon knows a thing or two about Dallys,his mum has bred and shown for over 30 years.This breed like most must go only to peeps who know the breed inside out.

The puppy pack he did is amazing includes a book written by Simon and his mum about everything you need to know about the pups and their breeding etc,plus history of Dalmations. His questioning for new prospective owners were very tough,he took no prisoners,hence the abuse (w00t)

When I was a little girl there was a Dally who was a night mare! He bit children,my friend proberly still has the scar! Turns out he was deaf!

Still his antics were not enough to put me off dogs :lol: A true diehard dog lover,me!

Wait till you see the pics.

 

[posh totty]

what an excellent post jax! :thumbsup:

i have a friend whom has 2 dallys , 1 of whom is deaf in one ear and also now epileptic too, the energy these dogs have is endless, she has horses so much of their daily exercise is going out beside her and the mile walk to the stables and back , but boy can they do damage when left alone!!! her house as been destroyed where they are if they havent been for a very long walk !!!

 

[imperative]

Thanks Tan!

Was Chris's fault.Was telling him about what Simon had been through and he said make a post and share the experience.

I have learnt so much from doggy peeps from friends,peeps I met on k9(inc yourself!) etc .Before anyone gets a dog of any kind homework is much needed.

 

[JAX]

Dallys I would imagine are one of the breeds who require the most exercise . Not someting to take onlightly ,

My friend has a cross dally and shes bad enough , trys to keep up with her whip , with no luck , but has stamina for all :b

 

[imperative]

The puppies are here!

As promised look at these little lovelies! :huggles: :wub:

 

[nicky12]

:wub: omg they are soooo cute ,must stop looking now im getting broody ,AGAIN . :- "

 

[FeeFee]

I know this won't be a popular view, but I have to be frank and say that in a country with far more dogs than homes I find it very hard to get excited about yet more pups being born

I also think it's a shame the deaf pup was destroyed. I know several people with deaf dallies and they have done very well. One is working at high level agility, and with the right training I don't see why they can't lead quite normal lives. If people are going to breed dallies knowing such a high proportion of them are born deaf I think they should be prepared to take responsibility for the deaf as well as the hearing pups.

 

[imperative]

I know this won't be a popular view, but I have to be frank and say that in a country with far more dogs than homes I find it very hard to get excited about yet more pups being born
I also think it's a shame the deaf pup was destroyed.  I know several people with deaf dallies and they have done very well.  One is working at high level agility, and with the right training I don't see why they can't lead quite normal lives. If people are going to breed dallies knowing such a high proportion of them are born deaf I think they should be prepared to take responsibility for the deaf as well as the hearing pups.

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I hear what you say,and we all welcome to own opinion.

Simon followed advice from his vet who he has known and trusted for many years.

He is so torn up about the situation,he was crying as he spoke to me about it.So i wont for one be giving him a hard time about it.

The same could be said for children.I was told,WHILE I WAS PREGNANT WITH MY LAST DAUGHTER, that there were enough children being born without me adding to population :blink: The words I "thought to reply to the person are not suitable to repeat here............. or anywhere.

 

[Hilary & Hounds]

Can we have some bigger photos please? My eyesight is bad enough as it is but I can still see that they're cute! :thumbsup: Not that I'd want one but I can still oooh and aaaah. :- " :lol:

 

[Janimal]

I know this won't be a popular view, but I have to be frank and say that in a country with far more dogs than homes I find it very hard to get excited about yet more pups being born
I also think it's a shame the deaf pup was destroyed.  I know several people with deaf dallies and they have done very well.  One is working at high level agility, and with the right training I don't see why they can't lead quite normal lives. If people are going to breed dallies knowing such a high proportion of them are born deaf I think they should be prepared to take responsibility for the deaf as well as the hearing pups.

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I hear what you say,and we all welcome to own opinion.

Simon followed advice from his vet who he has known and trusted for many years.

He is so torn up about the situation,he was crying as he spoke to me about it.So i wont for one be giving him a hard time about it.

The same could be said for children.I was told,WHILE I WAS PREGNANT WITH MY LAST DAUGHTER, that there were enough children being born without me adding to population :blink: The words I "thought to reply to the person are not suitable to repeat here............. or anywhere.

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Lovely puppies btw :wub: :wub:

but can I just add when I took Kobi and Oscar to be microchipped...a Dogs Trust session.

a couple were waiting with two dalmation pups from the same litter , we got talking ....and one of the puppies was deaf....they said they were prepared to work extra hard with her and give her a chance because the breeders were thinking about having her put down...

.....to be honest I couldnt tell the difference....they both behaved exactly the same...but I suppose the training would be very different with the pair of them.

 

[kris]

I know this won't be a popular view, but I have to be frank and say that in a country with far more dogs than homes I find it very hard to get excited about yet more pups being born
I also think it's a shame the deaf pup was destroyed.  I know several people with deaf dallies and they have done very well.  One is working at high level agility, and with the right training I don't see why they can't lead quite normal lives. If people are going to breed dallies knowing such a high proportion of them are born deaf I think they should be prepared to take responsibility for the deaf as well as the hearing pups.

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well sometimes the unpopular view still has to be said. :thumbsup: tbh i too think its so sad that in this country which is supposed to be a nation of animal lovers we kill thousands of dogs every year.healthy dogs as well cos theres just not enough homes for them all.i despair of an end to the killing as noone seems to be prepared to end all the breeding.without the ending of one there wont be an ending of the other either.so sad.

 

[Vianne]

I know this won't be a popular view, but I have to be frank and say that in a country with far more dogs than homes I find it very hard to get excited about yet more pups being born
I also think it's a shame the deaf pup was destroyed.  I know several people with deaf dallies and they have done very well.  One is working at high level agility, and with the right training I don't see why they can't lead quite normal lives. If people are going to breed dallies knowing such a high proportion of them are born deaf I think they should be prepared to take responsibility for the deaf as well as the hearing pups.

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well sometimes the unpopular view still has to be said. :thumbsup: tbh i too think its so sad that in this country which is supposed to be a nation of animal lovers we kill thousands of dogs every year.healthy dogs as well cos theres just not enough homes for them all.i despair of an end to the killing as noone seems to be prepared to end all the breeding.without the ending of one there wont be an ending of the other either.so sad.

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Unfortunately, unless the backyard breeders stop breeding this won't happen

And as they see it as an easy way to make money it will go on! :angry:

(This is most definitely not aimed at your friend Imperative :huggles: )

 

[kris]

i lay the blame fairly at the feet of local government.the kennel club also deserve a share of the blame as pups arent worth as much without pedigree papers so if they refused to accept more than one litter a year from a bitch and no more than say 4 litters over the bitches lifetime,then the numbers would be reduced.also if the kennel club reported breeders who registered more than one or two litters a year as being breeders and in need of a breeders licence then the local authority could investigate as they have solid evidence of someone running a breeding establishment.if they took complaints seriously and did their job properly the puppy farmers would be stopped as the cost of the installation of all the proper facilities would be too much bother for most of them so theyd probably give up and go back to fleecing little old ladies of their life savings or whatever it was they did before they latched onto the idea of breeding pups. :thumbsup:

 

[Vianne]

i lay the blame fairly at the feet of local government.the kennel club also deserve a share of the blame as pups arent worth as much without pedigree papers so if they refused to accept more than one litter a year from a bitch and no more than say 4 litters over the bitches lifetime,then the numbers would be reduced.also if the kennel club reported breeders who registered more than one or two litters a year as being breeders and in need of a breeders licence then the local authority could investigate as they have solid evidence of someone running a breeding establishment.if they took complaints seriously and did their job properly the puppy farmers would be stopped as the cost of the installation of all the  proper facilities would be too much bother for most of them so theyd probably give up and go back to fleecing little old ladies of their life savings or whatever it was they did before they latched onto the idea of breeding pups. :thumbsup:

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You're so right! :thumbsup:

Unfortunately the kennel club seem to be more interested in the amount of money they can make from registrations & of course the Accredited Breeders scheme, which isn't worth the paper it's printed on! :angry:

 

[kris]

exactly! i think its time the kennel club woke up and decided to set an example and actually make a stand and do something.but of course they wont.they dont want to rock the boat,they know when theyre onto a good thing.meanwhile pups and bitches suffer so.

 

[J.T.]

We had a dally years ago & in hindsight~ aint that a wonderful thing?~ we should never have had a dog at all, let alone a dally. We were at work all day & got no advice from the breeder :rant: to tell us what a bad idea it would be. We had Ludo from 6 weeks old & he lived to be 13 & a half. Even tho we hadn't a clue he was such a great dog & was still running round like a pup at 12 years old. I will never regret having him but wish for his sake that we'd done things differently. He didn't have the company he should have had in the day but despite this I know he was a happy dog. How he never broke his tail is a miracle, it was always wagging.

When he died we said we just couldn't have another dally as we'd always compare it to Ludo. So began my love affair with lurchers :- "

Those pups are so cute btw, how different are the spots on them all, some are very heavily spotted & some very white. Lovely :wub:

 

[nina]

i lay the blame fairly at the feet of local government.the kennel club also deserve a share of the blame as pups arent worth as much without pedigree papers so if they refused to accept more than one litter a year from a bitch and no more than say 4 litters over the bitches lifetime,then the numbers would be reduced.also if the kennel club reported breeders who registered more than one or two litters a year as being breeders and in need of a breeders licence then the local authority could investigate as they have solid evidence of someone running a breeding establishment.if they took complaints seriously and did their job properly the puppy farmers would be stopped as the cost of the installation of all the  proper facilities would be too much bother for most of them so theyd probably give up and go back to fleecing little old ladies of their life savings or whatever it was they did before they latched onto the idea of breeding pups. :thumbsup:

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You're so right! :thumbsup:

Unfortunately the kennel club seem to be more interested in the amount of money they can make from registrations & of course the Accredited Breeders scheme, which isn't worth the paper it's printed on! :angry:

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You are so dead right, Accredited Breeders Scheme, whats Accredited about it :blink:

Seems they accept just about anyone on it, most reputable Breeders i know wouldn't want to be included in such a total sham