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INVITATION FROM THE LEAGUE AGAINST THE LEAGUE AGAINST CRUEL SPORTS

Please help us demonstrate the (even) more absurd side of the Hunting Act. WE am going to formally tear up the Hunting Act and then break it at the League Against Cruel Sports' Barlynch Woods wildlife Sanctury at Baronsdown near Dulverton on:

SATURDAY 24 June 8:00 am

map is enclosed the meet will be in the layby just by where it says "Louisa Gate":

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=29...mapp=newmap.srf

The rules of the day are:

1 No trespass, please stick to the right of way

2 Dogs to be kept on a lead or under close control

3 No chasing or killing wildlife or livestock

4 Please keep noise to a reasonable level

5 No persecution of animals for sport

6 No litter

7 No dancing or excessive merriment (oh al right, just a bit)

8 No breaking of the law, apart from the Hunting Act

This is about individual rights, please attend as an individual not representing any hunt organisations.

You do not have to break the law if you do not want to. You can turn up with or without a dog. Observing a Hunt is legal according to the CPS. We also require people to act as monitors in case the League do not provide them.

Press coverage:

http://www.westpress.co.uk/displayNode.jsp...e=sidebarsearch

http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/displayNode.j...e=sidebarsearch

The League are extremely unhappy about this. I went hunting there with my dog last sunday and got a stiff lecture about 'respect for the law' from Paul.Tillsley@League.uk.com There have to be limits to such respect, this law goes way beyond them.

Lastly a word from Douglas.Batchelor@League.uk.com :

"We will not be offering what you call traditional hospitality to you or anyone else".

So bring your own refreshements.

Giles Bradshaw

 

[kris]

just been reading all of your posts.you seem rather obsessed with this ban.dont you ever post about anything else on here other than this? -_-

 

[Thought criminal]

just been reading all of your posts.you seem rather obsessed with this ban.dont you ever post about anything else on here other than this? -_-

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I have only read one of your 3049 posts kris and I can't say I found it particularily interesting.

I'm not sure that I want to sift through them all but could you maybe post a link to one of your posts that you feel is interesting so I can see what you're talking about.

 

[Seraphina]

just been reading all of your posts.you seem rather obsessed with this ban.dont you ever post about anything else on here other than this? -_-

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I have only read one of your 3049 posts kris and I can't say I found it particularily interesting.

I'm not sure that I want to sift through them all but could you maybe post a link to one of your posts that you feel is interesting so I can see what you're talking about.

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Well, maybe there are not many people here who find your crusade particularly interesting either.

If people like you keep on pushing the issue it will very likely result in toughening the anti dog/ anti hunting laws. Not many people think that dogs should have the right to chase wildlife, and as the politicians generally do what gets them the most votes, I would expect that more likely than not you will find yourself with restrictions on keeping dogs and banning dogs from many places where there are wild animals.

 

[Thought criminal]

just been reading all of your posts.you seem rather obsessed with this ban.dont you ever post about anything else on here other than this? -_-

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I have only read one of your 3049 posts kris and I can't say I found it particularily interesting.

I'm not sure that I want to sift through them all but could you maybe post a link to one of your posts that you feel is interesting so I can see what you're talking about.

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Well, maybe there are not many people here who find your crusade particularly interesting either.

If people like you keep on pushing the issue it will very likely result in toughening the anti dog/ anti hunting laws. Not many people think that dogs should have the right to chase wildlife, and as the politicians generally do what gets them the most votes, I would expect that more likely than not you will find yourself with restrictions on keeping dogs and banning dogs from many places where there are wild animals.

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I don't chase wildlife with dogs, what on earth has it got to do withy that. That's not how I break the law.

I think people should have the right to search for wildlife with dogs in order to observe it.

I'm a dog walker, haven't you even got that far?

I also LOVE the way you take the time to reply to a post that you say you don't find interesting. That is SO transparent it is laughable.

My aim is to stimulate debate.

 

[Seraphina]

just been reading all of your posts.you seem rather obsessed with this ban.dont you ever post about anything else on here other than this? -_-

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I have only read one of your 3049 posts kris and I can't say I found it particularily interesting.

I'm not sure that I want to sift through them all but could you maybe post a link to one of your posts that you feel is interesting so I can see what you're talking about.

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Well, maybe there are not many people here who find your crusade particularly interesting either.

If people like you keep on pushing the issue it will very likely result in toughening the anti dog/ anti hunting laws. Not many people think that dogs should have the right to chase wildlife, and as the politicians generally do what gets them the most votes, I would expect that more likely than not you will find yourself with restrictions on keeping dogs and banning dogs from many places where there are wild animals.

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I don't chase wildlife with dogs, what on earth has it got to do withy that. That's not how I break the law.

I think people should have the right to search for wildlife with dogs in order to observe it.

I'm a dog walker, haven't you even got that far?

I also LOVE the way you take the time to reply to a post that you say you don't find interesting. That is SO transparent it is laughable.

My aim is to stimulate debate.

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I did read some of you previous posts, and no I did not get through it all. But you did go on about your dogs' right to chase wildlife. :wacko:

 

[Thought criminal]

just been reading all of your posts.you seem rather obsessed with this ban.dont you ever post about anything else on here other than this? -_-

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I have only read one of your 3049 posts kris and I can't say I found it particularily interesting.

I'm not sure that I want to sift through them all but could you maybe post a link to one of your posts that you feel is interesting so I can see what you're talking about.

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Well, maybe there are not many people here who find your crusade particularly interesting either.

If people like you keep on pushing the issue it will very likely result in toughening the anti dog/ anti hunting laws. Not many people think that dogs should have the right to chase wildlife, and as the politicians generally do what gets them the most votes, I would expect that more likely than not you will find yourself with restrictions on keeping dogs and banning dogs from many places where there are wild animals.

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I don't chase wildlife with dogs, what on earth has it got to do withy that. That's not how I break the law.

I think people should have the right to search for wildlife with dogs in order to observe it.

I'm a dog walker, haven't you even got that far?

I also LOVE the way you take the time to reply to a post that you say you don't find interesting. That is SO transparent it is laughable.

My aim is to stimulate debate.

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I did read some of you previous posts, and no I did not get through it all. But you did go on about your dogs' right to chase wildlife. :wacko:

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My dogs still have the right to chase wildlife. It's not against the law for a dog to hunt.

Is there anyone with a sense of humour on this forum?

 

[Thought criminal]

I got the link to the map wrong.

The meet will take place where it says "Louisa Gate"

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=29...mapp=newmap.srf

Saturday 8:00 am 24th June

 

[peony]

(w00t) Im just sorry I live so far away and have to work this weekend. I would have loved to attend, if only for the limited merriment and jollification :cheers: Keep up the good work and sidestepping of this ridiculous 'law' :thumbsup:

 

[Seraphina]

My dogs still have the right to chase wildlife.  It's not against the law for a dog to hunt.
Is there anyone with a sense of humour on this forum?

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You guys over there in UK have lot of rights. You really do not know how lucky you are. I have a friend who lives in Japan and she has to drive 150 miles each way to the only place where she can let her dogs off the leash. It is a fully fenced bit of grassed land and she has to book her time and pay to get in. Some people in the USA also have to pay to take their dogs into similar "Dog Parks". Here in OZ, most states have very restrictive dog laws, including limits on dogs per household, which is mainly 2, and permits for extra dogs are very difficult to get even in rural areas.

You seem to be obsessed with your campaign, and when Kris pointed out that all you do is talk about that and you do not join debates on other matters, you became insulting.

 

[bappit]

Good thread TC :cheers:

Sheena

(BUT!!!Oi kris posts many funny posts/threads BTW, go on, go on, ... :huggles: just no rubbing each other up the wrong way while your there (w00t) .

 

[kris]

just been reading all of your posts.you seem rather obsessed with this ban.dont you ever post about anything else on here other than this? -_-

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I have only read one of your 3049 posts kris and I can't say I found it particularily interesting.

I'm not sure that I want to sift through them all but could you maybe post a link to one of your posts that you feel is interesting so I can see what you're talking about.

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no,i doubt very much that you would find anything i have to say interesting ,or anyone else here for that matter.your sole purpose in life seems to be this ban,im sure youre a very interesting person in real life :- " and that its just on here that you only have one topic of conversation. im sure your posts are absolutely riveting.......................to yourself. -_- as you cant be bothered to reply to an enquiry without an insult them i cant be bothered replying to any answer you deign to post to this.bye,yawn..........

 

[Thought criminal]

My dogs still have the right to chase wildlife.  It's not against the law for a dog to hunt.

Is there anyone with a sense of humour on this forum?

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You guys over there in UK have lot of rights. You really do not know how lucky you are. I have a friend who lives in Japan and she has to drive 150 miles each way to the only place where she can let her dogs off the leash. It is a fully fenced bit of grassed land and she has to book her time and pay to get in. Some people in the USA also have to pay to take their dogs into similar "Dog Parks". Here in OZ, most states have very restrictive dog laws, including limits on dogs per household, which is mainly 2, and permits for extra dogs are very difficult to get even in rural areas.

You seem to be obsessed with your campaign, and when Kris pointed out that all you do is talk about that and you do not join debates on other matters, you became insulting.

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We have lots of rights because we fought for them and we defend them.

Sorry to Kris. I hardly ever drop by here maybe I will join a few debates.

Meanwhile I have a few amusing letters with Douglas Batchelor to share with you: .....

 

[Thought criminal]

Dear Douglas,

Regarding my plans to observe deer on your land in an illegal manner, could I possibly turn up with my dogs blindfolded. That way I couldn't be accused of hunting to observe the deer. Also I couldn't tell if my dogs were chasing and killing your deer so that would be accidental.

This might be the perfect compromise position.

Let me know what you think.

Regards,

Giles

Absurd Law Makes Absurd Crime

 

[Thought criminal]

Dear Giles,

the issue is your intent in the actions you propose.

How you treat your dogs is an issue for you, subject of course to the welfare of animals legislation. The only observation I would make, is that most dogs both scent and see, so I find it difficult to see how blindfolding your dogs is relevant in this context, except that it may cause them distress and or make them more difficult to control.

My major concerns are the welfare of the wild deer and the welfare, safety and security of League staff and supporters who may be present or who live and or work on the sanctuary. I have made it very clear in this regard, that your actions and proposed actions, will disturb the wild animals on the sanctuary, where they are welcomed by the League, and that they are therefore unwelcome. To the extent that such actions also upset and or disturb League staff and supporters they are also unwelcome.

You may feel that disturbing wild animals and those who seek to protect them from hunting, is a legitimate aspect of your campaign against the Hunting Act, I do not agree. I think that most reasonable people will simply see your actions as a deliberate attempt to disturb wild animals on a sanctuary at a time where their security is easily threatened. Why you see it as logical and legitimate to cause the deer to move off land where they are welcome, to neighbouring land, where they may be less welcome, and could be shot or hunted, escapes me. If your real concern is animal welfare, you would call your planned demonstration off, before it disturbs the deer you say you have no wish to harm.

Douglas

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[Thought criminal]

Dear Douglas,

I appear to have missed out a comma in my letter for which I apologise. I meant to write:

"could I possibly turn up with my dogs, blindfolded"

I meant that I would wear the blindfold rather than the dogs. What a difference a comma makes! I would never go hunting with my dogs blindfolded as that would be a very strange and bizzarre thing to do. I had merely suggested that I blindfold myself to prevent my illegal observation of your deer with my dogs.

I think if you read the rules of the demonstration you will note that I intend to keep my dogs under close control and also to keep noise to a minimum. As you know I am also going to keep to the public path and expect toehrs to keep there dogs, quad bikes, horses and themselves to the path. My intention is merely to break the Hunting Act by searching for dogs in order to observe them and also to flush out and drive away any deer should they be on or adjacent to the public path. Regarding the second two illegal activities if it were possible to walk my dogs on your land without having these effects then I might consider it, however it is not and I will not.

It is not my fault that these things are illegal and I cannot be held responsible for the idiocy of the people who passed the Hunting Act. As you know my aim is merely to assert my right to break the Hunting Act on your sanctury.

As far as driving deer off your land and on to neighbouring land where they might be hunted or shot, you might be interested to hear that there is a close season for deer at this time in the year. In any event it is unlikely that they would be driven that far.

You mention the risk of your staff and supporters being disturbed. I might remind you that when I went on to the public right of way on Monday morning I encountered a very unpleasant chap who I beleive was your Mr Paul Tillsley. He appeared to have a video camera glued to his face which was most strange. Mr Tillsley's wife had a large hunt dog which she was barely able to prevent from mauling me and which was flushing the deer which I had been observing. Judging from these people's behaviour I think that the chances of me disturbing them any more than they are already or of disturbing your deer any more than they do already with their barely controlled hunt dog are, to say the least, slim.

I'd very much like your staff and supporters to come to the demonstration but would ask them too to obey its rules and to remain calm. All I am going to do is break the Hunting Act I am not going to be cruel to animals.

In the light of your concerns about what effect my well behaved and controllable dogs have on your deer, have you ever considered what effect the Tillsleys are having on wildlife wandering around the Devon countryside with an animal akin to simething out of a Conan Doyle novel?

I am going to turn up at your Deer Sanctury on Saturday Morning and illegally hunt deer with dogs. I've told the police about what I do and they have made it clear that prosecuting me for breaking the hunting ban would not be in the public interest. I'm looking forward to it.

Yours sincerely,

Giles Bradshaw

Director of Crime

The League Against The League Against Cruel Sports

 

[Thought criminal]

just been reading all of your posts.you seem rather obsessed with this ban.dont you ever post about anything else on here other than this? -_-

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I have only read one of your 3049 posts kris and I can't say I found it particularily interesting.

I'm not sure that I want to sift through them all but could you maybe post a link to one of your posts that you feel is interesting so I can see what you're talking about.

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no,i doubt very much that you would find anything i have to say interesting ,or anyone else here for that matter.your sole purpose in life seems to be this ban,im sure youre a very interesting person in real life :- " and that its just on here that you only have one topic of conversation. im sure your posts are absolutely riveting.......................to yourself. -_- as you cant be bothered to reply to an enquiry without an insult them i cant be bothered replying to any answer you deign to post to this.bye,yawn..........

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It's only meant to be a laugh Kris.

 

[wilfred]

So anyway ... what did happen on 24 June?