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Totally agree with everyone who says you can ruin a young dog by over exercise.

A puppy in SOME pet homes will run itself into a hard stringy looking adult as quick as anything.

Whippets love to run and need little encouragement to over exercise themselves, in a family situation where running makes owners shout and clap with glee when you are belting around a field.

Muscle on undeveloped bone and organs, ie stomach leads to poor feeders which leads to owners giving higher protien foods which just leads to more fast fuel then you are just going around and around in a downward spiral and the ruin of an otherwise good looking puppy.

My puppies run as much as they want, as soon as they slow down I know they have had enough, then they rest.

I sold a puppy once, 10 weeks, I rang the owners a few weeks later to see how he was getting on and they said he was great allthough a little tired after his week going across dartmoor on the family holiday. I have to admit I shed a tear for him that night, he must have been so worn out but felt that was what he was meant to be doing.

Sometimes I dispair at some pet peoples idea of what a puppy is (any breed). They want boxers to bounce around all day, they want staffies to play growlly tugging games and baby labs to be diving in ponds after sticks til they can hardly stand. You can do this with a human child, play adult games, but unfortunatly you can with an animal.

I worked with young Greyhounds and they were NEVER encouraged to run. They used to have a little burst of play running during the day but most of the time they were just allowed to grow and mooch about. I would urge people to study young Cheetahs, thier mother knows that they should not be running flat out for months, she makes them sit and wait, and even when she leaves them to fend for themselves they live on worms, beetles and mice for ages before they develope the power to catch larger prey.
 
Good Topic and I agree with Toni We raced greyhounds for some years and the bitches were broken into the track at 12 months and the dogs at 15 months with all pups being raised in long runs side by side to run as much as they wish. This is done to teach the dogs how to run, improve bone density and to develop strong tendons which leads to a solid base to start your breaking in.

Loaded muscles are in some lines of whippets and not others, we have a line which no matter how much you run them they have that well cut flat muscle with other whippets here having body builder type muscle. So much comes down to the type of dog you have and then manage as to how much running you give it. We let our pups free gallop as much as they want about 3 times a week as youngsters then when they hit 10 to 11 months a good run with a mate twice a week is enough to keep them in good trim. With a good diet, carbs for fuel and protien for body this will play a big role in how you puppy will grow. "Genetics Or Management" a bit of both.
 
Karen said:
Totally agree with everyone who says you can ruin a young dog by over exercise.

A puppy in SOME pet homes will run itself into a hard stringy looking adult as quick as anything.

Whippets love to run and need little encouragement to over exercise themselves, in a family situation where running makes owners shout and clap with glee when you are belting around a field.

Muscle on undeveloped bone and organs, ie stomach leads to poor feeders which leads to owners giving higher protien foods which just leads to more fast fuel then you are just going around and around in a downward spiral and the ruin of an otherwise good looking puppy.

My puppies run as much as they want, as soon as they slow down I know they have had enough, then they rest.

I sold a puppy once, 10 weeks, I rang the owners a few weeks later to see how he was getting on and they said he was great allthough a little tired after his week going across dartmoor on the family holiday.  I have to admit I shed a tear for him that night, he must have been so worn out but felt that was what he was meant to be doing.

Sometimes I dispair at some pet peoples idea of what a puppy is (any breed).  They want boxers to bounce around all day, they want staffies to play growlly tugging games and baby labs to be diving in ponds after sticks til they can hardly stand.  You can do this with a human child, play adult games, but unfortunatly you can with an animal.

I worked with young Greyhounds and they were NEVER encouraged to run.  They used to have a little burst of play running during the day but most of the time they were just allowed to grow and mooch about.  I would urge people to study young Cheetahs, thier mother knows that they should not be running flat out for months, she makes them sit and wait, and even when she leaves them to fend for themselves they live on worms, beetles and mice for ages before they develope the power to catch larger prey.

"I would urge people to study young Cheetahs"

you got many of them in Surrey? :blink:
 
masta said:
Karen said:
Totally agree with everyone who says you can ruin a young dog by over exercise.

A puppy in SOME pet homes will run itself into a hard stringy looking adult as quick as anything.

Whippets love to run and need little encouragement to over exercise themselves, in a family situation where running makes owners shout and clap with glee when you are belting around a field.

Muscle on undeveloped bone and organs, ie stomach leads to poor feeders which leads to owners giving higher protien foods which just leads to more fast fuel then you are just going around and around in a downward spiral and the ruin of an otherwise good looking puppy.

My puppies run as much as they want, as soon as they slow down I know they have had enough, then they rest.

I sold a puppy once, 10 weeks, I rang the owners a few weeks later to see how he was getting on and they said he was great allthough a little tired after his week going across dartmoor on the family holiday.  I have to admit I shed a tear for him that night, he must have been so worn out but felt that was what he was meant to be doing.

Sometimes I dispair at some pet peoples idea of what a puppy is (any breed).  They want boxers to bounce around all day, they want staffies to play growlly tugging games and baby labs to be diving in ponds after sticks til they can hardly stand.  You can do this with a human child, play adult games, but unfortunatly you can with an animal.

I worked with young Greyhounds and they were NEVER encouraged to run.  They used to have a little burst of play running during the day but most of the time they were just allowed to grow and mooch about.  I would urge people to study young Cheetahs, thier mother knows that they should not be running flat out for months, she makes them sit and wait, and even when she leaves them to fend for themselves they live on worms, beetles and mice for ages before they develope the power to catch larger prey.

"I would urge people to study young Cheetahs"

you got many of them in Surrey? :blink:

Too many (w00t) thats why Karen has just moved to Devon :- " ;)

My pups run with the pack , but only one at a time and just for a short while .

I love to see the change in their ability of cornering and coursing as they mature . Harvee has only just got the hang of cahsing the Canadian Geese , even if they are about 6-10 feet above him in the air :oops: bless him :wub: as with most things male , hes been rather slow to catch on :wacko:
 
Hi thanks for all very interesting replies we all seem to agree on moderation in all things. Apup does need to run, stretch himself and develop strength and bone but supervision to make sure he does not overdo itand damage soft, growing bones. :- :sweating: :sweating: jan
 
Parnew wrote:"Loaded muscles are in some lines of whippets and not others, we have a line which no matter how much you run them they have that well cut flat muscle with other whippets here having body builder type muscle."

which type of dog runs best? I know that there is more to being a good racer than conformation but I do think show whippets should be able to race well also.
 
dessie said:
jayp said:
damage soft, growing bones.  :- :sweating:   :sweating: jan
No such thing as soft bones!! You can have different density but bones are never soft!!

I dont think she meant `soft` as in floppy sort :eek: :oops: , but we do know that bones are easier to deform at a younger age and of course they mend from breaks so much quicker ,as do humans . Ive seen pics of Great danes that have had too much exerise at a young age, be very deformed :( their owners not having had correct info ( or didnt take notice ) from the breeders .

This what i can never understand about racehorses , I mean you wouldnt even dream of backing a young horse before 3- 4 years and here we see racehorses galloping at full stretch with working jockeys on board ,at 2 years old (w00t) no wonder they dont last long :rant: I realsie there are exceptions ( Red Rum for one )

When we go racing I always go to have alook at the babies , but I have a friend who works with them and she says they have no character at all , they are like robots , and usually not very friendly ones at that :(
 
JAX said:
dessie said:
jayp said:
damage soft, growing bones.  :- :sweating:   :sweating: jan
No such thing as soft bones!! You can have different density but bones are never soft!!

I dont think she meant `soft` as in floppy sort :eek: :oops: , but we do know that bones are easier to deform at a younger age and of course they mend from breaks so much quicker ,as do humans . Ive seen pics of Great danes that have had too much exerise at a young age, be very deformed :( their owners not having had correct info ( or didnt take notice ) from the breeders .

This what i can never understand about racehorses , I mean you wouldnt even dream of backing a young horse before 3- 4 years and here we see racehorses galloping at full stretch with working jockeys on board ,at 2 years old (w00t) no wonder they dont last long :rant: I realsie there are exceptions ( Red Rum for one )

When we go racing I always go to have alook at the babies , but I have a friend who works with them and she says they have no character at all , they are like robots , and usually not very friendly ones at that :(


Flat racing 2yr olds has such a short "racing life" for that very reason.I agree with you Jax about backing a youngster,we usually back at 3 or just over and then turn them away for a year and then bring them back into work and bring them on very slowly.Though in defence of the racing 2yr olds, for a good amount of the time the jockey's full weight is'nt on the horses delicate back area where the vertebrae has'nt fused until at least 3 and can be as late as 7 in some slow developing breeds such as Arabs,it is carried up on the forehand where the majority of the horse has developed and can cope fine.Another thing is with young flat racers the jockey weight is very stringent indeed and therefore causes as little damage as poss. Maybe not right,but then that is a whole different debate! :)
 
dessie said:
jayp said:
damage soft, growing bones.  :- :sweating:   :sweating: jan
No such thing as soft bones!! You can have different density but bones are never soft!!

Try giving your dog bones from a young lamb, you can almost bend them, thats why greenstick fractures are common in young people
 

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