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spot on neil pups are the biggest problem for a new starter years ago you could open the whippet news and take your pick there were pages of pups for sale this day and age there ordered before they are even born very hard for a new starter to get a pup plus the fact a lot of top kennels want them to go to good racing homes to get the best from them not wanting a novice to have one wrong but truenew people need pups i personally have sold pups to newstarters ie claptrap to sally and here dad brian and now the whole family attend our club plus sallys children attend so who knows they may take up this family sport ive done this a few times over the years its rewarding to me to see there enthusiasm :thumbsup: :thumbsup: