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I made the following observation in reply to some one else's threat and thought I would post this as a separate topic. There appears to be a feeling that a change in government will result in the ban being overturned, and I wonder if this is likely or just wishful thinking? I have not followed what if anything has been said about it by the Tories. It may be high on 'our' agenda but it aint gonna register too high on a new administration's, grappling with a crippled economy, thousands of useless bits of legislation etc which is the legacy of this moronic government. The point is we should not make assumptions and should not wait until they are in power to lobby the Tories....

"Noted your depressing commentary on NL's continued opposition to anything 'country'

I have not followed any discussion about repealing 'the law' from the Tories - perhaps there has been none. What is for certain is that once they are in power political expediency will take over and there will be plenty of other priorities on their agenda. I do not think we should wait to see a change in government before we start to lobby them - it should be done now, before they gain power in order to secure some commitment in return for votes. Perhaps this is underway already in terms of a specific lobby aimed at a new rather than the existing government - in which case if anyone can let us know Ill sign up for it."

 

[davethehorse]

I made the following observation in reply to some one else's threat and thought I would post this as a separate topic.  There appears to be a feeling that a change in government will result in the ban being overturned, and I wonder if this is likely or just wishful thinking? I have not followed what if anything has been said about it by the Tories.  It may be high on 'our' agenda but it aint gonna register too high on a new administration's, grappling with a crippled economy, thousands of useless bits of legislation etc which is the legacy of this moronic government.  The point is we should not make assumptions and should not wait until they are in power to lobby the Tories.... 


"Noted your depressing commentary on NL's continued opposition to anything 'country'

I have not followed any discussion about repealing 'the law' from the Tories - perhaps there has been none. What is for certain is that once they are in power political expediency will take over and there will be plenty of other priorities on their agenda. I do not think we should wait to see a change in government before we start to lobby them - it should be done now, before they gain power in order to secure some commitment in return for votes. Perhaps this is underway already in terms of a specific lobby aimed at a new rather than the existing government - in which case if anyone can let us know Ill sign up for it."

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Is it "high on our agenda" - its certainly not on ours. It should stay banned IMO - not all on here are pro hunting with dogs just because we own Whippets..

 

[jinx and rubys mum]

Lets just say that there is hope that the Tories may be more in tune with the countryside and all associated sport and activities

And are centering a lot of the discussion around them rather than the Labour Idiots that have brought the country to its knees in all aspects over the past years in power.

Time for change and we only have 2 options so go for the others again :nuke:

 

[masta]

I made the following observation in reply to some one else's threat and thought I would post this as a separate topic.  There appears to be a feeling that a change in government will result in the ban being overturned, and I wonder if this is likely or just wishful thinking? I have not followed what if anything has been said about it by the Tories.  It may be high on 'our' agenda but it aint gonna register too high on a new administration's, grappling with a crippled economy, thousands of useless bits of legislation etc which is the legacy of this moronic government.  The point is we should not make assumptions and should not wait until they are in power to lobby the Tories.... 


"Noted your depressing commentary on NL's continued opposition to anything 'country'

I have not followed any discussion about repealing 'the law' from the Tories - perhaps there has been none. What is for certain is that once they are in power political expediency will take over and there will be plenty of other priorities on their agenda. I do not think we should wait to see a change in government before we start to lobby them - it should be done now, before they gain power in order to secure some commitment in return for votes. Perhaps this is underway already in terms of a specific lobby aimed at a new rather than the existing government - in which case if anyone can let us know Ill sign up for it."

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Is it "high on our agenda" - its certainly not on ours. It should stay banned IMO - not all on here are pro hunting with dogs just because we own Whippets..

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everyone is entitled to their opinion :thumbsup: i wonder if horse racing will be on the agenda :- "

 

[davethehorse]

everyone is entitled to their opinion :thumbsup: i wonder if horse racing will be on the agenda :- "

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Doubt it, too much of an industry - maybe whips will be banned one day but wont be government legislation, will be within the sport. Cant be classified in the same camp as hunting with dogs anyway IMO - no ripping to shreads of a live exhausted animal for fun for one :thumbsup:

Yes everyone entitled to an opinion as always - my point was not all on here are pro hunt as the first post seemed to imply - it seemed to suggest all hound owners are pro hunting and looking for the ban to be overturned, when quite probably, many are not.

 

[Holliepup]

The inclusive supposition of the phrase ''high on our agenda'' could mean it is high on mine and certain others' agenda or it could mean, as you have interpreted it, high on EVERYONE'S agenda. Had I supposed it be high on everyone's agenda then that is what I would have said. That is unlikely as it certainly is not high on NL's!

Having said that I entirely agree that everyone is entitled, and indeed should have, his or her own opinion. My opinion is there is value in the traditions and practices handed down as part of this country's culture, many of which have been summarily dismissed my a political elite who have lost all moral right to govern. And if they were not so busy stuffing up the economy they would be banning fishing, shooting, racing and all the rest.

But that’s just my opinion.

 

[davethehorse]

The inclusive supposition of the phrase ''high on our agenda'' could mean it is high on mine and certain others' agenda or it could mean, as you have interpreted it, high on EVERYONE'S agenda.  Had I supposed it be high on everyone's agenda then that is what I would have said.  That is unlikely as it certainly is not high on NL's!
Having said that I entirely agree that everyone is entitled, and indeed should have, his or her own opinion.  My opinion is there is value in the traditions and practices handed down as part of this country's culture, many of which have been summarily dismissed my a political elite who have lost all moral right to govern.  And if they were not so busy stuffing up the economy they would be banning fishing, shooting, racing and all the rest.

But that’s just my opinion.

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Yes your probably right and I agree - we need to ensure things don't just keep getting banned because some people don't agree with them. However now hunting with dogs is banned I think a change of heart just because the government changes would not be the right thing to do. I personally think the main people affected, i.e the fox hunting fraternity, can still enjoy their pursuits without hunting foxes but I am not an expert in this matter so that maybe not the case. Fox and deer hunting were my main concerns with hunting and they hav'nt changed and I am unconvinced that they have totally had their pleasures removed by only being able to drag hunt to stay within the law.

As everyone keeps saying everyone has their own take on this subject and its never going to be one that satisfies all. Hopefully the likes of fishing, racing and others remain unaffected - they probably will in the short term but longer term I am not so sure.

 

[Holliepup]

The inclusive supposition of the phrase ''high on our agenda'' could mean it is high on mine and certain others' agenda or it could mean, as you have interpreted it, high on EVERYONE'S agenda.  Had I supposed it be high on everyone's agenda then that is what I would have said.  That is unlikely as it certainly is not high on NL's!
Having said that I entirely agree that everyone is entitled, and indeed should have, his or her own opinion.  My opinion is there is value in the traditions and practices handed down as part of this country's culture, many of which have been summarily dismissed my a political elite who have lost all moral right to govern.  And if they were not so busy stuffing up the economy they would be banning fishing, shooting, racing and all the rest.

But that’s just my opinion.

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Yes your probably right and I agree - we need to ensure things don't just keep getting banned because some people don't agree with them. However now hunting with dogs is banned I think a change of heart just because the government changes would not be the right thing to do. I personally think the main people affected, i.e the fox hunting fraternity, can still enjoy their pursuits without hunting foxes but I am not an expert in this matter so that maybe not the case. Fox and deer hunting were my main concerns with hunting and they hav'nt changed and I am unconvinced that they have totally had their pleasures removed by only being able to drag hunt.

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Did you know, if you don't update your driving licence photo every 10 years you can be fined £1000? Nor did I - just found out.

If you dont tell the DVLA when you move house - £1000!

Did you know council officials have the right to enter your home?

Doesnt matter if its driving, tax forms, parking, dropping a cigarette or doing just about any other damn thing that one does in the course of a normal day, the responsibility, without any reasonable margin for good sense or error, has been transferred the individual who is criminalised with fines for the slightest transgression.

If you stop at a parking meter in London without change in your pocket, you can legitimately be given a ticket while you go to get some! What sort of a country are we now living in?

We have spent £5Bn wasted on a technically unworkable identity card scheme, the same on computerising health records that dont work, biometric passports that dont work, we have gone to war and christ knows else what. There are no police on the streets and when they are they persecute the victims not the criminals.

And so it goes on.

And then the bastards tell me I cant let my dog chase a rabbit! Fact is she never bloody catches any - but thats not the point. Its the tip of the ice burg!!

Nice horses by the way :thumbsup:

 

[Suzycbee]

The inclusive supposition of the phrase ''high on our agenda'' could mean it is high on mine and certain others' agenda or it could mean, as you have interpreted it, high on EVERYONE'S agenda.  Had I supposed it be high on everyone's agenda then that is what I would have said.  That is unlikely as it certainly is not high on NL's!
Having said that I entirely agree that everyone is entitled, and indeed should have, his or her own opinion.  My opinion is there is value in the traditions and practices handed down as part of this country's culture, many of which have been summarily dismissed my a political elite who have lost all moral right to govern.  And if they were not so busy stuffing up the economy they would be banning fishing, shooting, racing and all the rest.

But that’s just my opinion.

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Yes your probably right and I agree - we need to ensure things don't just keep getting banned because some people don't agree with them. However now hunting with dogs is banned I think a change of heart just because the government changes would not be the right thing to do. I personally think the main people affected, i.e the fox hunting fraternity, can still enjoy their pursuits without hunting foxes but I am not an expert in this matter so that maybe not the case. Fox and deer hunting were my main concerns with hunting and they hav'nt changed and I am unconvinced that they have totally had their pleasures removed by only being able to drag hunt.

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Did you know, if you don't update your driving licence photo every 10 years you can be fined £1000? Nor did I - just found out.

If you dont tell the DVLA when you move house - £1000!

Did you know council officials have the right to enter your home?

Doesnt matter if its driving, tax forms, parking, dropping a cigarette or doing just about any other damn thing that one does in the course of a normal day, the responsibility, without any reasonable margin for good sense or error, has been transferred the individual who is criminalised with fines for the slightest transgression.

If you stop at a parking meter in London without change in your pocket, you can legitimately be given a ticket while you go to get some! What sort of a country are we now living in?

We have spent £5Bn wasted on a technically unworkable identity card scheme, the same on computerising health records that dont work, biometric passports that dont work, we have gone to war and christ knows else what. There are no police on the streets and when they are they persecute the victims not the criminals.

And so it goes on.

And then the bastards tell me I cant let my dog chase a rabbit! Fact is she never bloody catches any - but thats not the point. Its the tip of the ice burg!!

Nice horses by the way :thumbsup:

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I dont agree with damned thing you have said. Dont know if you have been present at a "digging out" of a vixen with cubs for a delightful cub hunting session. Similarly, the hunting of deer is not to be mentioned in the same sentence as horse racing when it comes to cruelty.

As Daved says, horse racing does not, as its main intention, torture an animal, culminating in killing it in a grotesque manner. LONG LIVE THE BAN ON HUNTING

 

[Suzycbee]

The inclusive supposition of the phrase ''high on our agenda'' could mean it is high on mine and certain others' agenda or it could mean, as you have interpreted it, high on EVERYONE'S agenda.  Had I supposed it be high on everyone's agenda then that is what I would have said.  That is unlikely as it certainly is not high on NL's!
Having said that I entirely agree that everyone is entitled, and indeed should have, his or her own opinion.  My opinion is there is value in the traditions and practices handed down as part of this country's culture, many of which have been summarily dismissed my a political elite who have lost all moral right to govern.  And if they were not so busy stuffing up the economy they would be banning fishing, shooting, racing and all the rest.

But that’s just my opinion.

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If you have read the Burns Report of 1999 in which the Countryside Alliance were asked to state how many hounds were put down, and at what age, the answer was 3000 a year at the age of 6/7. This can be taken as a conservative estimate, anybody agree with healthy dogs at this age being put down as they are too old to keep up with the pack???

 

[masta]

everyone is entitled to their opinion :thumbsup: i wonder if horse racing will be on the agenda :- "

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Doubt it, too much of an industry - maybe whips will be banned one day but wont be government legislation, will be within the sport. Cant be classified in the same camp as hunting with dogs anyway IMO - no ripping to shreads of a live exhausted animal for fun for one :thumbsup:

Yes everyone entitled to an opinion as always - my point was not all on here are pro hunt as the first post seemed to imply - it seemed to suggest all hound owners are pro hunting and looking for the ban to be overturned, when quite probably, many are not.

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"no ripping to shreads of a live exhausted animal for fun for one" :thumbsup:

since 1997 25 horses have died in the Grand National have you ever witnessed a exhausted horse being whipped over fences it can hardly jump falling and snapping its leg or neck and having to writh in agony until the on course vet can get near to put a bullet in its head?? and all in the name of fun :thumbsup:

 

[Suzycbee]

everyone is entitled to their opinion :thumbsup: i wonder if horse racing will be on the agenda :- "

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Doubt it, too much of an industry - maybe whips will be banned one day but wont be government legislation, will be within the sport. Cant be classified in the same camp as hunting with dogs anyway IMO - no ripping to shreads of a live exhausted animal for fun for one :thumbsup:

Yes everyone entitled to an opinion as always - my point was not all on here are pro hunt as the first post seemed to imply - it seemed to suggest all hound owners are pro hunting and looking for the ban to be overturned, when quite probably, many are not.

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"no ripping to shreads of a live exhausted animal for fun for one" :thumbsup:

since 1997 25 horses have died in the Grand National have you ever witnessed a exhausted horse being whipped over fences it can hardly jump falling and snapping its leg or neck and having to writh in agony until the on course vet can get near to put a bullet in its head?? and all in the name of fun :thumbsup:

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Between 1860 and fox hunging being banned in 2004 how many animals were tortured to death? How many foxhounds were shot in the head at the age of 7 ???

By the way, all of the foxes in this country are from Scandinavia on account of all British foxes being hunted to extinction in the 19th century. Great countryside management!!

 

[Suzycbee]

everyone is entitled to their opinion :thumbsup: i wonder if horse racing will be on the agenda :- "

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Doubt it, too much of an industry - maybe whips will be banned one day but wont be government legislation, will be within the sport. Cant be classified in the same camp as hunting with dogs anyway IMO - no ripping to shreads of a live exhausted animal for fun for one :thumbsup:

Yes everyone entitled to an opinion as always - my point was not all on here are pro hunt as the first post seemed to imply - it seemed to suggest all hound owners are pro hunting and looking for the ban to be overturned, when quite probably, many are not.

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"no ripping to shreads of a live exhausted animal for fun for one" :thumbsup:

since 1997 25 horses h

ave died in the Grand National have you ever witnessed a exhausted horse being whipped over fences it can hardly jump falling and snapping its leg or neck and having to writh in agony until the on course vet can get near to put a bullet in its head?? and all in the name of fun :thumbsup:

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25 aint many anyway, not bad over that time span. Good for racing, in looking after their horses so well.

 

[Suzycbee]

everyone is entitled to their opinion :thumbsup: i wonder if horse racing will be on the agenda :- "

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Doubt it, too much of an industry - maybe whips will be banned one day but wont be government legislation, will be within the sport. Cant be classified in the same camp as hunting with dogs anyway IMO - no ripping to shreads of a live exhausted animal for fun for one :thumbsup:

Yes everyone entitled to an opinion as always - my point was not all on here are pro hunt as the first post seemed to imply - it seemed to suggest all hound owners are pro hunting and looking for the ban to be overturned, when quite probably, many are not.

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"no ripping to shreads of a live exhausted animal for fun for one" :thumbsup:

since 1997 25 horses have died in the Grand National have you ever witnessed a exhausted horse being whipped over fences it can hardly jump falling and snapping its leg or neck and having to writh in agony until the on course vet can get near to put a bullet in its head?? and all in the name of fun :thumbsup:

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Anyway, they dont writh in agony, the vet is always there dead quick so there (w00t)

 

[Holliepup]

The inclusive supposition of the phrase ''high on our agenda'' could mean it is high on mine and certain others' agenda or it could mean, as you have interpreted it, high on EVERYONE'S agenda.  Had I supposed it be high on everyone's agenda then that is what I would have said.  That is unlikely as it certainly is not high on NL's!
Having said that I entirely agree that everyone is entitled, and indeed should have, his or her own opinion.  My opinion is there is value in the traditions and practices handed down as part of this country's culture, many of which have been summarily dismissed my a political elite who have lost all moral right to govern.  And if they were not so busy stuffing up the economy they would be banning fishing, shooting, racing and all the rest.

But that’s just my opinion.

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Yes your probably right and I agree - we need to ensure things don't just keep getting banned because some people don't agree with them. However now hunting with dogs is banned I think a change of heart just because the government changes would not be the right thing to do. I personally think the main people affected, i.e the fox hunting fraternity, can still enjoy their pursuits without hunting foxes but I am not an expert in this matter so that maybe not the case. Fox and deer hunting were my main concerns with hunting and they hav'nt changed and I am unconvinced that they have totally had their pleasures removed by only being able to drag hunt.

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Did you know, if you don't update your driving licence photo every 10 years you can be fined £1000? Nor did I - just found out.

If you dont tell the DVLA when you move house - £1000!

Did you know council officials have the right to enter your home?

Doesnt matter if its driving, tax forms, parking, dropping a cigarette or doing just about any other damn thing that one does in the course of a normal day, the responsibility, without any reasonable margin for good sense or error, has been transferred the individual who is criminalised with fines for the slightest transgression.

If you stop at a parking meter in London without change in your pocket, you can legitimately be given a ticket while you go to get some! What sort of a country are we now living in?

We have spent £5Bn wasted on a technically unworkable identity card scheme, the same on computerising health records that dont work, biometric passports that dont work, we have gone to war and christ knows else what. There are no police on the streets and when they are they persecute the victims not the criminals.

And so it goes on.

And then the bastards tell me I cant let my dog chase a rabbit! Fact is she never bloody catches any - but thats not the point. Its the tip of the ice burg!!

Nice horses by the way :thumbsup:

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I dont agree with damned thing you have said. Dont know if you have been present at a "digging out" of a vixen with cubs for a delightful cub hunting session. Similarly, the hunting of deer is not to be mentioned in the same sentence as horse racing when it comes to cruelty.

As Daved says, horse racing does not, as its main intention, torture an animal, culminating in killing it in a grotesque manner. LONG LIVE THE BAN ON HUNTING

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Had you read ''a damn thing I said'' you might see that I make no claim as regards those matters that concern you. I have had no experience of them and nor do I wish to. Nor for that matter do I oppose horse racing - quite the opposite. My 'rant' is rather more philosophical - simply fed up with politicians and busy bodies interfering in other peoples lives. More and more new legislation solves nothing. There is legislation against carrying knives yet people still get stabbed. The very act of removing moral decisions from people allows them to abdicate responsibility - if you nanny people don't be surprised when they act as children.

For my part I would like to see my dog course hare. Thats a moral decision I would be comfortable with. I do not suggest the hare might enjoy a good run, but the dog certainly would. I do not expect you to agree and would not be so impertinent as to try to persuade you.

It seems to me that many of those who wish to wrap the countryside in cellophane forget or are ignorant of the fact that it is vested interest that has shaped the rural areas as they are. Without sporting persuit over the years, the country would just be one big, flat mechanised field. There has to be some quid pro quo.

 

[Holliepup]

The inclusive supposition of the phrase ''high on our agenda'' could mean it is high on mine and certain others' agenda or it could mean, as you have interpreted it, high on EVERYONE'S agenda.  Had I supposed it be high on everyone's agenda then that is what I would have said.  That is unlikely as it certainly is not high on NL's!
Having said that I entirely agree that everyone is entitled, and indeed should have, his or her own opinion.  My opinion is there is value in the traditions and practices handed down as part of this country's culture, many of which have been summarily dismissed my a political elite who have lost all moral right to govern.  And if they were not so busy stuffing up the economy they would be banning fishing, shooting, racing and all the rest.

But that’s just my opinion.

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If you have read the Burns Report of 1999 in which the Countryside Alliance were asked to state how many hounds were put down, and at what age, the answer was 3000 a year at the age of 6/7. This can be taken as a conservative estimate, anybody agree with healthy dogs at this age being put down as they are too old to keep up with the pack???

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I dont like that one little bit. But if that was your only criteria then what else? You would ban greyhound racing - yes? You would ban your precious horse racing - I presume one's moral high ground means that even one death is one too many? You would ban any sort of pet ownership in case a bad owner ditched a dog on the street. And what about stock farming - tell you what lets get rid of that and all become veggies. And so it goes on.

 

[Suzycbee]

The inclusive supposition of the phrase ''high on our agenda'' could mean it is high on mine and certain others' agenda or it could mean, as you have interpreted it, high on EVERYONE'S agenda.  Had I supposed it be high on everyone's agenda then that is what I would have said.  That is unlikely as it certainly is not high on NL's!
Having said that I entirely agree that everyone is entitled, and indeed should have, his or her own opinion.  My opinion is there is value in the traditions and practices handed down as part of this country's culture, many of which have been summarily dismissed my a political elite who have lost all moral right to govern.  And if they were not so busy stuffing up the economy they would be banning fishing, shooting, racing and all the rest.

But that’s just my opinion.

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Yes your probably right and I agree - we need to ensure things don't just keep getting banned because some people don't agree with them. However now hunting with dogs is banned I think a change of heart just because the government changes would not be the right thing to do. I personally think the main people affected, i.e the fox hunting fraternity, can still enjoy their pursuits without hunting foxes but I am not an expert in this matter so that maybe not the case. Fox and deer hunting were my main concerns with hunting and they hav'nt changed and I am unconvinced that they have totally had their pleasures removed by only being able to drag hunt.

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Did you know, if you don't update your driving licence photo every 10 years you can be fined £1000? Nor did I - just found out.

If you dont tell the DVLA when you move house - £1000!

Did you know council officials have the right to enter your home?

Doesnt matter if its driving, tax forms, parking, dropping a cigarette or doing just about any other damn thing that one does in the course of a normal day, the responsibility, without any reasonable margin for good sense or error, has been transferred the individual who is criminalised with fines for the slightest transgression.

If you stop at a parking meter in London without change in your pocket, you can legitimately be given a ticket while you go to get some! What sort of a country are we now living in?

We have spent £5Bn wasted on a technically unworkable identity card scheme, the same on computerising health records that dont work, biometric passports that dont work, we have gone to war and christ knows else what. There are no police on the streets and when they are they persecute the victims not the criminals.

And so it goes on.

And then the bastards tell me I cant let my dog chase a rabbit! Fact is she never bloody catches any - but thats not the point. Its the tip of the ice burg!!

Nice horses by the way :thumbsup:

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I dont agree with damned thing you have said. Dont know if you have been present at a "digging out" of a vixen with cubs for a delightful cub hunting session. Similarly, the hunting of deer is not to be mentioned in the same sentence as horse racing when it comes to cruelty.

As Daved says, horse racing does not, as its main intention, torture an animal, culminating in killing it in a grotesque manner. LONG LIVE THE BAN ON HUNTING

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Had you read ''a damn thing I said'' you might see that I make no claim as regards those matters that concern you. I have had no experience of them and nor do I wish to. Nor for that matter do I oppose horse racing - quite the opposite. My 'rant' is rather more philosophical - simply fed up with politicians and busy bodies interfering in other peoples lives. More and more new legislation solves nothing. There is legislation against carrying knives yet people still get stabbed. The very act of removing moral decisions from people allows them to abdicate responsibility - if you nanny people don't be surprised when they act as children.

For my part I would like to see my dog course hare. Thats a moral decision I would be comfortable with. I do not suggest the hare might enjoy a good run, but the dog certainly would. I do not expect you to agree and would not be so impertinent as to try to persuade you.

It seems to me that many of those who wish to wrap the countryside in cellophane forget or are ignorant of the fact that it is vested interest that has shaped the rural areas as they are. Without sporting persuit over the years, the country would just be one big, flat mechanised field. There has to be some quid pro quo.

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You say you are "simply fed up with politicians and busy bodies interfering in other peoples lives". Well without this there would be anarchy I am afraid.

Correct me if I misunderstood you but you stated at the outset that it is wishful thinking on your part that the tories would overturn the ban on hunting. Fact is the ban on hunting is in place, because various official bodies, such as the RSPCA are opposed to it. I know for a fact that a video which was presented to MPs of a vixen being dug out and her cubs being used for cub hunting, was implimental in such an overwhelming vote to ban it, and it wasnt just labour MPs either.

Personally I wouldnt vote for the tories anyway, would rather slit my throat with a sharpened end of a credit card than vote for Cameron. As a member of the Bollingdon Club, he should be in jail anyway but thats another story. Without sporting pursuit over the years, we would actually have British foxes in this country instead of Swedish ones, cos the ENGLISH ones were HUNTED TO EXTINCTION. As regards coursing hare, your hobby presumably does not involve an animal being chased for a long period of time. Fox hounds are bred to be slow but have stamina, thereby giving the mounted followers more fun than if the hounds caught the fox quickly, extending the hunting period over many hours. Therefore, by design, it is deliberately cruel. Anyway, do you think that fox hounds should be shot at the age of 7? This is what the CA admits happens to them. I think this is wrong, do you?

Deer hunting with dogs, usually goes on for hours, I have seen deer being drowned by huntsmen after taking refuge in a river, being too exhausted to run any more. Any sane person surely does not want that to be made legal again. If hunting is made legal again, deer hunting with dogs will carry on as before.

Thats me done for tonight, goodnight all!!

 

[milliken]

I made the following observation in reply to some one else's threat and thought I would post this as a separate topic.  There appears to be a feeling that a change in government will result in the ban being overturned, and I wonder if this is likely or just wishful thinking? I have not followed what if anything has been said about it by the Tories.  It may be high on 'our' agenda but it aint gonna register too high on a new administration's, grappling with a crippled economy, thousands of useless bits of legislation etc which is the legacy of this moronic government.  The point is we should not make assumptions and should not wait until they are in power to lobby the Tories.... 


"Noted your depressing commentary on NL's continued opposition to anything 'country'

I have not followed any discussion about repealing 'the law' from the Tories - perhaps there has been none. What is for certain is that once they are in power political expediency will take over and there will be plenty of other priorities on their agenda. I do not think we should wait to see a change in government before we start to lobby them - it should be done now, before they gain power in order to secure some commitment in return for votes. Perhaps this is underway already in terms of a specific lobby aimed at a new rather than the existing government - in which case if anyone can let us know Ill sign up for it."

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Is it "high on our agenda" - its certainly not on ours. It should stay banned IMO - not all on here are pro hunting with dogs just because we own Whippets..

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you are being curul to your whippet not letting it do what nuture intened long live these little worriers as hunting dogs

 

[jinx and rubys mum]

Aren't foxes wonderful so cute and harmless NOT, i've witnessed a farmer nearly lose his full flock of lambs caused by foxes killing them to take the tails off them to let their cubs play with.

I've never experienced a deer course taking hours.(what were they chasing them with yorkshire terriers).

If hunting was a taxable commodity this government wouldn't listen to anyone dissing it.

Hunting is part of our heritage and if it wasn't for the waterloo cup gambling on horses that get whipped to death would not exist.

Big Sean.

 

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Hunting is part of our heritage and if it wasn't for the waterloo cup gambling on horses that get whipped to death would not exist.

Big Sean.

so was mining and look what the tory b------s did to that. ruined communitys and lifes. cost the country billions of pounds.wasted all the oil money .yes they will repeal the hunting ban notttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt.wake up and smell the champagne :lol: (they like it better than coffee)