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who can tell me more about these dogs? were they showwhippets, pedigree racers or non-pedigree racers??????

Chereke Lad (male) comes out:Bright Approach(male) X Black Bella

Bright approach comes out of:Windwalker Lord Hiawatha of rowangarth(male) X Special Flavour.

Black Bella comes out of:Neath's Nice boy(male) X Fly's Girl

All dogs are UK breeded and now breeded into a very fast racing bloodline in europe.

can anybody give me more details about these whippets??

thanks Piet (belgium)

 

[T Hoare]

Have you tried the Whippet Archive site. There is lots of whippet pedigrees on there, it is really quite interesting.

 

[Avalonia]

who can tell me more about these dogs? were they showwhippets, pedigree racers or non-pedigree racers??????Chereke Lad (male) comes out:Bright Approach(male) X Black Bella

Bright approach comes out of:Windwalker Lord Hiawatha of rowangarth(male) X Special Flavour.

Black Bella comes out of:Neath's Nice boy(male) X Fly's Girl

All dogs are UK breeded and now breeded into a very fast racing bloodline in europe.

can anybody give me more details about these whippets??

thanks Piet (belgium)

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Greetings from Canada. Let me help you get the pedigrees right because someone has confused them for you.

Black Bella is from an English racing line. Her parents are, as you say, Neath's Nice Boy and Fly's Girl.

Black Bella was bred to a male called Bright Approach to produce a number of dogs including one called My Blue Dawn. She has also been bred to a dog called Niisyf Here's Otto producing who knows what? I don't have that in my pedigree program.

Let's first deal with Bright Approach.

Bright Approach was sired by Windwalker Lord Hiawatha of Rowangarth, born 23 July 1991 in the United Kingdom. He was bred from well established English show lines on both sides of his pedigree. His father was English Champion Cherokee Lad, born 28 September 1986, and his mother was a bitch called Milady Silver.

Cherokee Lad's sire was Maluk Magrath whose parents were Eng.Ch. Harque to Huntsman and Maluk Gay Lark (our first Nevedith show dog was sired by Ch. Harque to Huntsman).

Cherokee Lad's mother was Chikla Delectable, born 14 June 1983. Her sire was Eng.Ch. Oakbark Middleman, and her dam was Pearl of Akonyte at Chilka.

Milady Silver was sired by Leon of Lowglen out of Rowangarth Silver Pearl. Leon of Lowglen was sired by Novacroft Limbo Dancer and his dam was Lowglen Hight Song. Rowangarth Silver Pearl was sired by Towercrest Flaming Arrow out of Towercrest Charming Rose.

Bright Approach's dam is Special Favour, also born in the United Kingdom.

Special Favour was sired by Eng.Ch. Cobyco Cavalier, born 2 Sep 1992, and his dam was Bailey's Treat (Novacroft Garth was her sire and something called Trial by Fire was her dam).

Cobyco Cavalier was sired by Hillsdown Fergal, born 10 Nov 1985, and his dam was Oakbark Mistletoe and Wine.

I think that should be enough to give you a good picture of the show dog part of the line.

Lanny

 

[Seraphina]

here are the links to The Whippet Archive pedigrees

Bright Approach

Cherokee Lad

click on any dog in the pedigree and you can see even further back

 

[Strike Whippets]

who can tell me more about these dogs? were they showwhippets, pedigree racers or non-pedigree racers??????Chereke Lad (male) comes out:Bright Approach(male) X Black Bella

Bright approach comes out of:Windwalker Lord Hiawatha of rowangarth(male) X Special Flavour.

Black Bella comes out of:Neath's Nice boy(male) X Fly's Girl

All dogs are UK breeded and now breeded into a very fast racing bloodline in europe.

can anybody give me more details about these whippets??

thanks Piet (belgium)

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As far as I can see all of these dogs are English show breds and working breds .... Theres NO racing breds in any of them ....

 

[BeeJay]

I have a Chereke Lady of that breeding. Bright Approach x Black Bella DOB 11/4/2003, bred by Mr K Kilday and black and white in colour.

Looking at the pedigree there is no racing blood in the breeding.

Black Bella is in fact line bred to Sooty Sam. Thus she is working bred IMO.

As Bright Approach is show bred a dog of that breeding is show x working IMO.

As for Lanny wondering what came out of the mating between Niisyf Here's Otto and Black Bella I'm sure that Beaker on here could say because she owns him. :thumbsup:

You might find someone on here who owns dogs related to Black Bella as there are quite a few members with Sooty Sam descendents.

 

[Avalonia]

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Looking at the pedigree there is no racing blood in the breeding.

Black Bella is in fact line bred to Sooty Sam. Thus she is working bred IMO.

As Bright Approach is show bred a dog of that breeding is show x working IMO.

Hi back. In Canada there is no such classification as a 'working' whippet. There are show whippets, there are coursing and straight track whippets (the coursing whippets can earn Field Champion (F.Ch. titles) and there are whippets trained in obedience (CD is the title awarded), but the classification 'working' isn't used here, and hence the confusion. Having looked at photos of Sooty Sam and seen his progeny and descendants you would know immediately these are not show dogs, so they would fall into either the racing whippets or the obedience category here -- you be the judge. I am thinking they are /coursing racing whippets since they all seem to be wearing the little jacket that our racers here wear when coursed or straight track raced. For the record, we have bred whippets who are all rounders and who have earned championship titles, coursing titles and obedience titles, including two dogs who were, at different times, the number one obedience whippet in Canada.

Another difference with teh UK -- not sure about the rules in the FCI countries in Europe -- is that we are also NOT allowed to cross breed anything so the beloved English lurcher is strictly off limits for anyone who wishes to be a member of the Canadian Kennel Club and enjoy registration privileges. Non-purebred dogs are treated as unregisterable dogs (cross breeds -- or the nasty word mongrels) and a CKC member who breeds them is dismissed from enjoying the registration privileges of the CKC and barred from registering any purebred dogs with CKC for life.

Hope this explains why I used the term racing.

Lanny

 

[Seraphina]

Am i right assuming that "working" means dog that is used for hunting? How do they differ from the racing and coursing lines?

 

[Terry & Sheila Smith]

Am i right assuming that "working" means dog that is used for hunting?  How do they differ from the racing and coursing lines?

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They don't!! The people who breed 'em & tout 'em like to say they are different but they ain't. Some dogs have an aptitude to work some don't & they can come from any breeding. A dog doesn't have to be that fast to pick a flushed rabbit up, a lamped rabbit is a different matter but you still don't need a dog with real scorching pace. A "working whippet" is basically a biddable dog with lot's of stamina that can mark a burrow.

Terry Smith

 

[BeeJay]

Am i right assuming that "working" means dog that is used for hunting?  How do they differ from the racing and coursing lines?

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Working is what they excel at so I call them working as do a lot of the owners of that type of whippet. ie they are bred foremost to work (hunt) that is their purpose. I believe that you can label the very closely bred members of that line simply because they are tightly bred. One line of SS does not make a working bred whippet for example but Black Bella is much more closely bred than that and that line is advertised as working/hunting whippets.

Racing bred dogs have been bred for generations to race from racing lines. In the UK to call any whippet which doesn't look like the current show dogs racing bred is thus incorrect and a tad dismissive of that type of whippet and the breeding behind them. Racing bred dogs are bred for purpose and as such are more fit for that purpose than any other type of whippet.

Today there are very few dogs descended from Sooty Sam racing in the UK. I'm not sure if there are any line bred to him racing? I have show bred dogs racing in the UK and I don't call them racing bred just because they wear a racing jacket every Sunday and even get the occasional trophies. Anymore than I would call my racing bred dogs show bred dogs if I was to show them.

The original poster asked what type of whippets they were which is why we ended up trying to give 'em a label. And yes I know that all (most) whippets will work given the opportunity. Just like all whippets would trot around the show ring, race on a track, lure course, do obedience or agility or heel work to music. I've got one here that has done all of them, though only won in 4 of those types of events. Oh and I tried tracking with him as well, but we had a problem with large clumps of thistles . He comes from show lines.

 

[ingsay2000]

All dogs are UK breeded and now breeded into a very fast racing bloodline in europe.

can anybody give me more details about these whippets??

thanks Piet (belgium)

My boy Stanley's grandparents are Bright Approach and Black Bella. He likes to take life at his own laid back pace though!

 

[phill]

My Eric is also from those lines :thumbsup:

 

[Strike Whippets]

Am i right assuming that "working" means dog that is used for hunting?  How do they differ from the racing and coursing lines?

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Working is what they excel at so I call them working as do a lot of the owners of that type of whippet. ie they are bred foremost to work (hunt) that is their purpose. I believe that you can label the very closely bred members of that line simply because they are tightly bred. One line of SS does not make a working bred whippet for example but Black Bella is much more closely bred than that and that line is advertised as working/hunting whippets.

Racing bred dogs have been bred for generations to race from racing lines. In the UK to call any whippet which doesn't look like the current show dogs racing bred is thus incorrect and a tad dismissive of that type of whippet and the breeding behind them. Racing bred dogs are bred for purpose and as such are more fit for that purpose than any other type of whippet.

Today there are very few dogs descended from Sooty Sam racing in the UK. I'm not sure if there are any line bred to him racing? I have show bred dogs racing in the UK and I don't call them racing bred just because they wear a racing jacket every Sunday and even get the occasional trophies. Anymore than I would call my racing bred dogs show bred dogs if I was to show them.

The original poster asked what type of whippets they were which is why we ended up trying to give 'em a label. And yes I know that all (most) whippets will work given the opportunity. Just like all whippets would trot around the show ring, race on a track, lure course, do obedience or agility or heel work to music. I've got one here that has done all of them, though only won in 4 of those types of events. Oh and I tried tracking with him as well, but we had a problem with large clumps of thistles . He comes from show lines.

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Spot on answer :thumbsup: ....I'd been trying to think of the wording, but you've already sorted it