Is This Cruel?

[masta]

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Wasn't it cruel of the RSPCA to remove from him from his owners?  Dogs don't understand the concept of being kind to them by being cruel and as far as that old lad was concerned his two 'rocks' had been removed from his life.  So in my view that was more cruel that how those owners managed their dog. 
What an awful waste of money on the part of the RSPCA and don't we have enough legislation in our lives without those petty overblown inspectors who answer to whom exactly? walking in and taking dogs away because they are fed too much (or in our case too little????).  Can you imagine the outrage there would be on the board if someone had their dog/s removed by the RSPCA because one of the neighbours thought the dog was too thin and the owner wouldn't do anything about it???!!!!!

Am I the only one who thinks that the owners have some sort of strange 'right' to treat their dog as they see fit, bearing in mind that they are always kind to it?  Don't starve it, beat it, leave it out in all weathers with no shelter, food etc.  I would not let my dog become that large, but then, I'm not them am I?  But I do think that they love that old dog, and for me it's worth far more that a whole shed load of do-gooders.  And if he lives with them and dies a happy dog, for him wouldn't that be better than 3 or maybe 4 years of confusion and misery wondering where they are?

What about the owners of the dog, how must they have felt to have him taken away?  How about some compassion for them.  We can't all be the same, and what a boring old world it would be were that the case!

Besides, I don't like being told what to do, maybe they don't either!  Perhaps the brothers thought the RSPCA should 'butt out' of their business.   :- "  :- "

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"Am I the only one who thinks that the owners have some sort of strange 'right' to treat their dog as they see fit"

no your not.

i thought the definition of cruel was to " cause intentional and deliberate suffering" i dont think for one minute the owners intended the dog to sufferer.

the RSPCA saw a marketing tool shame they dont spend as much time and money investigating drug dealers breeding and fighting pits

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If the dog was just overweight id be inclined to agree - maybe some form of support should in that case be put in place to 'support' the owner care for the dog better?

I still think this is possible in this case but initally the dog imo 'had' to be removed for its own health - it could hardly move for christs sake!!! The owners have to realise thier kind of love is damaging and disabling to thier pet and change certain caring/or not behaviours. I dont think its a waste of resources at all. The dog was bieng abused, aleit in a passive way.

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"I dont think its a waste of resources at all". it is when they (rspca) are so in their own words "cash strapped" last year i called them when a feral cat turned up on my doorstep with 4 starving kittens they told me that i should call the cat protection league as they didnt have the the room or time to deal with them by the time the cpl got round to calling back (3 days) the fox had got them!

this case was not cruelty and did not warrant £20k spending on taking it to court it was high profile marketing for the RSPCA

 

[noo]

I'm not saying it coulnt have been handled better and im not disputing that there are many things the rspca could do better but personally 'anything' that highlights bad treatment of pets in the media has a definite element of bieng ok by me.

Had i read a post about your cat and kitties id have been equally as angry at thier 'lack' of intervention - it must have been really frustrating :rant: not to mention upsetting.

 

[masta]

I'm not saying it coulnt have been handled better and im not disputing that there are many things the rspca could do better but personally 'anything' that highlights bad treatment of pets in the media has a definite element of bieng ok by me.
Had i read a post about your cat and kitties id have been equally as angry at thier 'lack' of intervention - it must have been really frustrating :rant: not to mention upsetting.

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i agree, but i dont think spending 20k on a fat lab is cost effective

 

[jayp]

Wasn't it cruel of the RSPCA to remove from him from his owners?  Dogs don't understand the concept of being kind to them by being cruel and as far as that old lad was concerned his two 'rocks' had been removed from his life.  So in my view that was more cruel that how those owners managed their dog. 
What an awful waste of money on the part of the RSPCA and don't we have enough legislation in our lives without those petty overblown inspectors who answer to whom exactly? walking in and taking dogs away because they are fed too much (or in our case too little????).  Can you imagine the outrage there would be on the board if someone had their dog/s removed by the RSPCA because one of the neighbours thought the dog was too thin and the owner wouldn't do anything about it???!!!!!

Am I the only one who thinks that the owners have some sort of strange 'right' to treat their dog as they see fit, bearing in mind that they are always kind to it?  Don't starve it, beat it, leave it out in all weathers with no shelter, food etc.  I would not let my dog become that large, but then, I'm not them am I?  But I do think that they love that old dog, and for me it's worth far more that a whole shed load of do-gooders.  And if he lives with them and dies a happy dog, for him wouldn't that be better than 3 or maybe 4 years of confusion and misery wondering where they are?

What about the owners of the dog, how must they have felt to have him taken away?  How about some compassion for them.  We can't all be the same, and what a boring old world it would be were that the case!

Besides, I don't like being told what to do, maybe they don't either!  Perhaps the brothers thought the RSPCA should 'butt out' of their business.  :- "  :- "

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Good job in my view we are not allowed to do what we like with our animals or children come to that. Sorry have no compassion for folf who think that is ok poor dog could not hardly walk. The dog has no choice in the ma tter, we as humans shoud have more b......y sense :rant: jan

 

[masta]

Wasn't it cruel of the RSPCA to remove from him from his owners?  Dogs don't understand the concept of being kind to them by being cruel and as far as that old lad was concerned his two 'rocks' had been removed from his life.  So in my view that was more cruel that how those owners managed their dog. 
What an awful waste of money on the part of the RSPCA and don't we have enough legislation in our lives without those petty overblown inspectors who answer to whom exactly? walking in and taking dogs away because they are fed too much (or in our case too little????).  Can you imagine the outrage there would be on the board if someone had their dog/s removed by the RSPCA because one of the neighbours thought the dog was too thin and the owner wouldn't do anything about it???!!!!!

Am I the only one who thinks that the owners have some sort of strange 'right' to treat their dog as they see fit, bearing in mind that they are always kind to it?  Don't starve it, beat it, leave it out in all weathers with no shelter, food etc.  I would not let my dog become that large, but then, I'm not them am I?  But I do think that they love that old dog, and for me it's worth far more that a whole shed load of do-gooders.  And if he lives with them and dies a happy dog, for him wouldn't that be better than 3 or maybe 4 years of confusion and misery wondering where they are?

What about the owners of the dog, how must they have felt to have him taken away?  How about some compassion for them.  We can't all be the same, and what a boring old world it would be were that the case!

Besides, I don't like being told what to do, maybe they don't either!  Perhaps the brothers thought the RSPCA should 'butt out' of their business.   :- "  :- "

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Good job in my view we are not allowed to do what we like with our animals or children come to that. Sorry have no compassion for folf who think that is ok poor dog could not hardly walk. The dog has no choice in the ma tter, we as humans shoud have more b......y sense :rant: jan

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"Good job in my view we are not allowed to do what we like with our animals"

does this apply to all dogs? what if your vet decides to report you to the rspca because you allowed your dog to jump 5 bar gates or run into a wall while chasing rabbits or that he belived your dogs were underweight or that you subject them to passive smoke

 

[noo]

does this apply to all dogs? what if your vet decides to report you to the rspca because you allowed your dog to jump 5 bar gates or run into a wall while chasing rabbits or that he belived your dogs were underweight or that you subject them to passive smoke

I think theres a huge difference between your examples and a dog who was fed so much it could hardly move. No-one is perfectly responsible 24 hours a day every day, however I would hope that we love our pets, learn by our mistakes and take advice about how we can can look after our dogs as best we can. Hopefully with the right guidance and monitoring these brothers will do just that.

 

[masta]

does this apply to all dogs? what if your vet decides to report you to the rspca because you allowed your dog to jump 5 bar gates or run into a wall while chasing rabbits or that he belived your dogs were underweight or that you subject them to passive smoke
I think theres a huge difference between your examples and a dog who was fed so much it could hardly move.  No-one is perfectly responsible 24 hours a day every day, however I would hope that we love our pets,  learn by our mistakes and take advice about how we can can look after our dogs as best we can.  Hopefully with the right guidance and monitoring these brothers will do just that.

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i agree again, what i am saying is this did not need the intervention by the Rspca to that degree and if we justify it then were will we be in a few years time looking to the examples i quoted